No pleasing most here

jonneymendoza · 05-07-2013 06:04AM #1

Hi.

i have seen an observation here on some people in regards to two hip hop albums that have recently come out, kanye west and JayZ.

People here complained how most hip hop albums are too pop and bland with no refreshing sounds or innovations yet when Kanye came out with his latest album that completely sounds like some refreshing sound , those same people moaned how its not hip hop etc etc.

Now we get a classic hip hop album from JayZ with banging beats and the same tired people moan how the album is meh, bland and doesnt sound any different to other hip hop albums :rolleyes:

i mean what do some of you guys want from an album? u dont want a traditional hiphop album with banging beats and u dont want a hip hop album trying different sounds and techniques. what do u all want then?

baddebt · 05-07-2013 09:59AM

the great this about Music Jonney , we all entitled to our opinion and that my friend should be respected ,

Jay z album is average
Kanye Album is muck ,

purely my opinion.

TheBza · 05-07-2013 10:52AM

Two flat, boring albums my opinion, nowhere near classic by any means.

jonneymendoza · 05-07-2013 11:30AM

baddebt wrote: »

the great this about Music Jonney , we all entitled to our opinion and that my friend should be respected ,

Jay z album is average
Kanye Album is muck ,

purely my opinion.

my point is that people say jayz album was nothing revolutionary or different yet when someone else comes out with something revolutionary and different, they complain its not standard hip hop.

TheBza · 05-07-2013 11:32AM

But its not original man.

jonneymendoza · 05-07-2013 11:51AM

Kanye's album not original/refreshing? damm now i heard it all

TheBza · 05-07-2013 12:05PM

Sorry Jay-z's, kanye's is a mess though.

Jimmy Iovine · 05-07-2013 12:26PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Now we get a classic hip hop album from JayZ with banging beats and the same tired people moan how the album is meh, bland and doesnt sound any different to other hip hop albums :rolleyes:

How many times have you listened to it? About 5?

I think it's a bit too early to be making a judgement as big as that. Most of my favourite albums are ones that I hated at the start but stuck with and was then won over by them.

It takes time for the full effect of an album to be realised. I don't think you can say after 5/6 listens that an album is a classic.

i mean what do some of you guys want from an album? u dont want a traditional hiphop album with banging beats and u dont want a hip hop album trying different sounds and techniques. what do u all want then?

I don't know what I want from an album until I hear it. I would like something different though. Not out-of-this-world different but just enough to test the boundaries a little. Even if it's just the artist themselves trying something different. Take Muscle Car Chronicles by Curren$y. The beats on that are different to everything else that he has done and I love it.

Everyone has different tastes. Well everyone bar those clowns that are brainwashed into thinking all music outside of the charts is crap.

Boom_Bap · 05-07-2013 12:50PM

I think one of the best things about this forum is that there are posters that listen to all aspects of the spectrum that is hip hop. From underground, to chart, to popular, to stoner, to backpack, golden era, outlandish, obscure, to whatever other label you can think of.

And that the majority of posters tend to step outside thier comfort zones on some recommendations they might see here, or introduce something that was found elsewhere.

That to me is a proper community of hip hop fans.

So given that alot of the people that are talking about the Kanye/Jay-Z albums wouldn't really be massive fans of the super commercial side that Kanye and Jay have fallen into, it's a credit to them that they are listening and discussing.

NoNewFriends · 05-07-2013 12:56PM

Jay-Z's Magna Carta Holy Grail is a fantastic album. A classic? Only time will tell.

On the other hand, Kanye's Yeezus is terrible. Not only is it not hip-hop, it's not music. It's like an artist taking a dump on a canvas and calling it art. Yes it's "different" and "revolutionary" but that doesn't change the fact that it's a steaming pile of shít. Stop crying because other people aren't díck riding your favourite artists.

Bobby Baccala · 05-07-2013 02:20PM

The artists make their particular type of hip hop to suit their target audience, if youre a die hard cypress hill fan chances are you won't like yeezus and vice versa, if you're a massive Wu tang fan chances are you're not gonna like whatever shít YMCABMUTHLQ$$#SWAG or whatever the fùck that pack of losers call themselves are pumping out.

There's no pleasing most because everybody has a different taste there's very few rappers that are gonna please most, except tribe called quest, if they don't please you then youre doing something wrong in life.

mufcboy1999 · 05-07-2013 11:37PM

Iv seen people slating good albums like life is good last year from nas to turn around and defend this effort from jigga and that rubbish from kanye when clearly both are at f*ck all.

I always knew kanye was a protected species around here on this hip hop forum but jay z has been on bad form for years now, i dont see how anyone can call this a good effort, so boring.

The beats there's a few but are ruined by the verses tbh.

Talib Fiasco · 05-07-2013 11:49PM

How can you call an album that is out a few days a classic? Do you even understand the term classic? That just shows how ridden some artists are just because of their fame and respect.

I've made my views on the two albums clear before on other threads, in short they're both ridiculously disappointing efforts and are up there with their weakest albums to date, especially Kanye... Jay's album by no means has banging beats, it has some decent production at times but it kills for a Just Blaze beat here and there to bring some reliability to the picture. The production is mostly generic commercial stuff that got boring years ago. Kanye's album is pretty damn disgraceful. Sounds rushed, tired and too weird for the sake of being weird. I'm all for left field hip hop if it's done right but Kanye sucks at it...

floggg · 08-07-2013 09:58AM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Iv seen people slating good albums like life is good last year from nas to turn around and defend this effort from jigga and that rubbish from kanye when clearly both are at f*ck all.

I always knew kanye was a protected species around here on this hip hop forum but jay z has been on bad form for years now, i dont see how anyone can call this a good effort, so boring.

The beats there's a few but are ruined by the verses tbh.

God, get over yourself.

Some people have different taste in music than you. Let it sink in and move on b

mufcboy1999 · 08-07-2013 01:41PM

floggg wrote: »

God, get over yourself.

Some people have different taste in music than you. Let it sink in and move on b

Iv let it sink your the one who obviously hasn't , having a problem with my opinion is one thing being upset and following me around threads is another.

floggg · 08-07-2013 03:46PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Iv let it sink your the one who obviously hasn't , having a problem with my opinion is one thing being upset and following me around threads is another.

Again, get over yourself.

I'm not upset and I certainly didn't follow you anywhere. I responded on topic to a comment in this thread.

I could have resounded equally to the OP but I figured his statements were so OTT there was little point (classic after 3 listens?).

I also remember him bitching about good kid mAAd city last year at first, being astounded that anybody could like it - before going on to proclaim it genuis.

So I've learned not to take him seriously.

I guess you can take it as a compliment that I actually felt the need to respond then.

That, or I was bored in work.

You seem to think some people are deluding themselves because they like album X or dislike album Y.

Maybe that's actually how they feel about them.

People will have different tastes in music, simple as.

jonneymendoza · 08-07-2013 08:31PM

floggg wrote: »

Again, get over yourself.

I'm not upset and I certainly didn't follow you anywhere. I responded on topic to a comment in this thread.

I could have resounded equally to the OP but I figured his statements were so OTT there was little point (classic after 3 listens?).

I also remember him bitching about good kid mAAd city last year at first, being astounded that anybody could like it - before going on to proclaim it genuis.

So I've learned not to take him seriously.

I guess you can take it as a compliment that I actually felt the need to respond then.

That, or I was bored in work.

You seem to think some people are deluding themselves because they like album X or dislike album Y.

Maybe that's actually how they feel about them.

People will have different tastes in music, simple as.

first of all, my first initial impression from MAAD CITY was that it was a decent album, but after a few months listening to it, it turned out to be the best album of last year.

No album bar 20/20 has made me listen to an album none stop for days like Magna carter,

That album right now is bloody amazing.

It has the beats, catchy lyrics and some meaningful versus such as in the track BLUE.

I would love to see Timbo produce beats for Kendrick.

Timbaland as a producer has shown versatility in this album from JayZ. besides Holy grail and Tom Ford, the other beats timbo done sound nothing like what timbaland normaly produces.

Picasso Baby, what a track. beat wise it is a straight up hard hip hop beat. Something like that would suit Kendrick.

When i first listened to the album i thought tim only did two tunes. i later found out he did most of the songs in the album.

Here is another great hip hop album of late. Tyler the creator.

great album if you want to hear something different.

Bobby Baccala · 08-07-2013 08:38PM

It's a jay z album, not a timbaland album, he did a nice job but it's nothing legendary you need to stop banging on about him it's getting boring

jonneymendoza · 08-07-2013 08:52PM

did i say it was a timbo album? had premo made the album you be going none stop how legendary premo is etc etc

Bobby Baccala · 08-07-2013 09:23PM

if it was a premo album I'd praise his production, and if it was a jay z album that premo produced some of i'd still praise his production, but going on and on about timbalands production when it's not his album is getting boring, listen to the lyrics sometime

jonneymendoza · 08-07-2013 09:49PM

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

if it was a premo album I'd praise his production, and if it was a jay z album that premo produced some of i'd still praise his production, but going on and on about timbalands production when it's not his album is getting boring, listen to the lyrics sometime

i do listen to his lyrics and they are good.

floggg · 08-07-2013 09:49PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

first of all, my first initial impression from MAAD CITY was that it was a decent album, but after a few months listening to it, it turned out to be the best album of last year.

No album bar 20/20 has made me listen to an album none stop for days like Magna carter,

That album right now is bloody amazing.

It has the beats, catchy lyrics and some meaningful versus such as in the track BLUE.

I would love to see Timbo produce beats for Kendrick.

Timbaland as a producer has shown versatility in this album from JayZ. besides Holy grail and Tom Ford, the other beats timbo done sound nothing like what timbaland normaly produces.

Picasso Baby, what a track. beat wise it is a straight up hard hip hop beat. Something like that would suit Kendrick.

When i first listened to the album i thought tim only did two tunes. i later found out he did most of the songs in the album.

Here is another great hip hop album of late. Tyler the creator.

great album if you want to hear something different.

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Everything.

Nas in this forum is regarded as one of the BEST rappers ever andmany have said illmatic is one of if not the best rap album ever.

u do the math. Work it out.

This rapper is overhyped. his nothing special. the beats his rhymed or not unique at all. same sound done over and over again.

the beats Kanye and his crew put out are much more unique/refreshing then kendrics beats he has rapped on.

Kendric is comparable to GAME imo. i rate Snoop dogg, Common, Nas, enimen, jay z, all above Kendric.

Kendric will make same impact as GAME and T.I imo ie good decent 7 or 8/10 album but not a classic legend like enimen and nas.

Kendrick went from overhyped and nothing special to album of the year.

You had differing opinions on one rapper alone, and yet you are surprised when a group of people has numerous differing opinions between them?

This whole thread is pointless.

People like different things.

hence there is still a market for marmite.

Boom_Bap · 09-07-2013 09:29AM

Let's not turn this into a marmite thread

But I think that we can all agree to disagree that we agree that we have disagreed on our agreed opinions of music.

16-07-2013 10:44PM

Having listened to both albums the only response I've had is a big meh. Sure there are some great beats and fantastic rhymes on both but overall neither album is one that has drawn me back in. Far as I'm concerned the best album of the year is R.A. The Rugged Mans Legends Never Die. Whereas Kanye and Jay Z are spending millions recording and promoting their albums R.A. does it on the cheap and manages to instill each track with far more wit, originality and intelligence than both Kanye and Jay Z's albums combined.

Take a listen to these tracks and then grab the album, really won't regret it. I've had it on heavy rotation since I first acquired it a few months back and counting down the days till I get the vinyl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3byEUZm0r40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKmM7crrjNE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELYZaiMnkbE

This isn't the best track on the album but it's my favorite. It's so refreshing to hear an artist put so much emotion into his words. There's no way in hell that Kanye could come close to investing half as much emotion in a track, hell in recent years the only thing he seems to invest in his rhymes is his massive, over inflated ego.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efOEujz6kgw

jigglypuffstuff · 17-07-2013 10:25AM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i have seen an observation here on some people in regards to two hip hop albums that have recently come out, kanye west and JayZ.

People here complained how most hip hop albums are too pop and bland with no refreshing sounds or innovations yet when Kanye came out with his latest album that completely sounds like some refreshing sound , those same people moaned how its not hip hop etc etc.

They are pop and bland. kanyes album wasnt refreshing it was trash....the slim shady LP was refreshing. Kanye's album is terrible

Now we get a classic hip hop album from JayZ with banging beats and the same tired people moan how the album is meh, bland and doesnt sound any different to other hip hop albums :rolleyes:

In comparison to jays work this album is also trash. The 808 beats show just one thing that jigga is afraid to stay true and just falling in with another style which is nothing more than terrible and not real hip hop

i mean what do some of you guys want from an album? u dont want a traditional hiphop album with banging beats and u dont want a hip hop album trying different sounds and techniques. what do u all want then?

Thats exactly what they did...try...and in many of our opinions they tried and failed.

jonneymendoza · 17-07-2013 11:31AM

Jayz is as real as a hop hop album can get like MAAD city.

Does Pacaso and Blue sound like a "One Direction" pop/commercial track?

TheBza · 17-07-2013 01:21PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Jayz is as real as a hop hop album can get like MAAD city.

Does Pacaso and Blue sound like a "One Direction" pop/commercial track?

Sorry no its not, and its not commercial pop, its commercial rap.

jigglypuffstuff · 17-07-2013 01:23PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Jayz is as real as a hop hop album can get like MAAD city.

Does Pacaso and Blue sound like a "One Direction" pop/commercial track?

No... it isn't

And yes..they do

bigpoppa · 17-07-2013 02:21PM

This "commercial rap" makes me laugh, this whole notion that something is not decent because it is commercially successful? The 'hardcore' wu fans should research how much they are actually worth. Quality and success are not mutually exclusive and spouting about unknown artists is great but most are no good. If they were good they would be successful and then you would call them commercial.

I listen to all sorts I like Jayzfan and like kanye - not crazy about the new album but he is trying something new. The most important thing is people respect each others opinions and debate properly and not like children

I laugh at the 'hardcore' probably sitting at home in their ma's

Boom_Bap · 17-07-2013 02:25PM

Did someone say 'real' hip hop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxtIm9D8I-o

People have different definitions of 'real' (shudder to use the term) hip hop, so the statement;

Jayz is as real as a hop hop album can get like MAAD city.

is correct from your perspective, if that is your view.

jigglypuffstuff · 17-07-2013 03:20PM

bigpoppa wrote: »

This "commercial rap" makes me laugh, this whole notion that something is not decent because it is commercially successful? The 'hardcore' wu fans should research how much they are actually worth. Quality and success are not mutually exclusive and spouting about unknown artists is great but most are no good. If they were good they would be successful and then you would call them commercial.

I listen to all sorts I like Jayzfan and like kanye - not crazy about the new album but he is trying something new. The most important thing is people respect each others opinions and debate properly and not like children

I laugh at the 'hardcore' probably sitting at home in their ma's

The bold is where you fail so much...nobody ever said that....commercial is purposely tailoring an albums sound in order to make as many sales as possible as opposed to just doing what you do best

An example of this would be

50 cent power of the dollar

50 cent the massacre

Another example of this would be

Eminem - The Slim Shady LP

Eminem - Recovery

They are just random examples i decided to throw out there btw

No pleasing most here

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