No pleasing most here

jonneymendoza

Hi.

i have seen an observation here on some people in regards to two hip hop albums that have recently come out, kanye west and JayZ.

People here complained how most hip hop albums are too pop and bland with no refreshing sounds or innovations yet when Kanye came out with his latest album that completely sounds like some refreshing sound , those same people moaned how its not hip hop etc etc.

Now we get a classic hip hop album from JayZ with banging beats and the same tired people moan how the album is meh, bland and doesnt sound any different to other hip hop albums :rolleyes:

i mean what do some of you guys want from an album? u dont want a traditional hiphop album with banging beats and u dont want a hip hop album trying different sounds and techniques. what do u all want then?

baddebt

the great this about Music Jonney , we all entitled to our opinion and that my friend should be respected ,

Jay z album is average
Kanye Album is muck ,

purely my opinion.

TheBza

Two flat, boring albums my opinion, nowhere near classic by any means.

jonneymendoza

baddebt wrote: »

the great this about Music Jonney , we all entitled to our opinion and that my friend should be respected ,

Jay z album is average
Kanye Album is muck ,

purely my opinion.

my point is that people say jayz album was nothing revolutionary or different yet when someone else comes out with something revolutionary and different, they complain its not standard hip hop.

TheBza

But its not original man.

jonneymendoza

Kanye's album not original/refreshing? damm now i heard it all

TheBza

Sorry Jay-z's, kanye's is a mess though.

Jimmy Iovine

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Now we get a classic hip hop album from JayZ with banging beats and the same tired people moan how the album is meh, bland and doesnt sound any different to other hip hop albums :rolleyes:

How many times have you listened to it? About 5?

I think it's a bit too early to be making a judgement as big as that. Most of my favourite albums are ones that I hated at the start but stuck with and was then won over by them.

It takes time for the full effect of an album to be realised. I don't think you can say after 5/6 listens that an album is a classic.

i mean what do some of you guys want from an album? u dont want a traditional hiphop album with banging beats and u dont want a hip hop album trying different sounds and techniques. what do u all want then?

I don't know what I want from an album until I hear it. I would like something different though. Not out-of-this-world different but just enough to test the boundaries a little. Even if it's just the artist themselves trying something different. Take Muscle Car Chronicles by Curren$y. The beats on that are different to everything else that he has done and I love it.

Everyone has different tastes. Well everyone bar those clowns that are brainwashed into thinking all music outside of the charts is crap.

Boom_Bap

I think one of the best things about this forum is that there are posters that listen to all aspects of the spectrum that is hip hop. From underground, to chart, to popular, to stoner, to backpack, golden era, outlandish, obscure, to whatever other label you can think of.

And that the majority of posters tend to step outside thier comfort zones on some recommendations they might see here, or introduce something that was found elsewhere.

That to me is a proper community of hip hop fans.

So given that alot of the people that are talking about the Kanye/Jay-Z albums wouldn't really be massive fans of the super commercial side that Kanye and Jay have fallen into, it's a credit to them that they are listening and discussing.

NoNewFriends

Jay-Z's Magna Carta Holy Grail is a fantastic album. A classic? Only time will tell.

On the other hand, Kanye's Yeezus is terrible. Not only is it not hip-hop, it's not music. It's like an artist taking a dump on a canvas and calling it art. Yes it's "different" and "revolutionary" but that doesn't change the fact that it's a steaming pile of shít. Stop crying because other people aren't díck riding your favourite artists.

Bobby Baccala

The artists make their particular type of hip hop to suit their target audience, if youre a die hard cypress hill fan chances are you won't like yeezus and vice versa, if you're a massive Wu tang fan chances are you're not gonna like whatever shít YMCABMUTHLQ$$#SWAG or whatever the fùck that pack of losers call themselves are pumping out.

There's no pleasing most because everybody has a different taste there's very few rappers that are gonna please most, except tribe called quest, if they don't please you then youre doing something wrong in life.

mufcboy1999

Iv seen people slating good albums like life is good last year from nas to turn around and defend this effort from jigga and that rubbish from kanye when clearly both are at f*ck all.

I always knew kanye was a protected species around here on this hip hop forum but jay z has been on bad form for years now, i dont see how anyone can call this a good effort, so boring.

The beats there's a few but are ruined by the verses tbh.

Talib Fiasco

How can you call an album that is out a few days a classic? Do you even understand the term classic? That just shows how ridden some artists are just because of their fame and respect.

I've made my views on the two albums clear before on other threads, in short they're both ridiculously disappointing efforts and are up there with their weakest albums to date, especially Kanye... Jay's album by no means has banging beats, it has some decent production at times but it kills for a Just Blaze beat here and there to bring some reliability to the picture. The production is mostly generic commercial stuff that got boring years ago. Kanye's album is pretty damn disgraceful. Sounds rushed, tired and too weird for the sake of being weird. I'm all for left field hip hop if it's done right but Kanye sucks at it...

floggg

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Iv seen people slating good albums like life is good last year from nas to turn around and defend this effort from jigga and that rubbish from kanye when clearly both are at f*ck all.

I always knew kanye was a protected species around here on this hip hop forum but jay z has been on bad form for years now, i dont see how anyone can call this a good effort, so boring.

The beats there's a few but are ruined by the verses tbh.

God, get over yourself.

Some people have different taste in music than you. Let it sink in and move on b

mufcboy1999

floggg wrote: »

God, get over yourself.

Some people have different taste in music than you. Let it sink in and move on b

Iv let it sink your the one who obviously hasn't , having a problem with my opinion is one thing being upset and following me around threads is another.

floggg

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Iv let it sink your the one who obviously hasn't , having a problem with my opinion is one thing being upset and following me around threads is another.

Again, get over yourself.

I'm not upset and I certainly didn't follow you anywhere. I responded on topic to a comment in this thread.

I could have resounded equally to the OP but I figured his statements were so OTT there was little point (classic after 3 listens?).

I also remember him bitching about good kid mAAd city last year at first, being astounded that anybody could like it - before going on to proclaim it genuis.

So I've learned not to take him seriously.

I guess you can take it as a compliment that I actually felt the need to respond then.

That, or I was bored in work.


You seem to think some people are deluding themselves because they like album X or dislike album Y.

Maybe that's actually how they feel about them.

People will have different tastes in music, simple as.

jonneymendoza

floggg wrote: »

Again, get over yourself.

I'm not upset and I certainly didn't follow you anywhere. I responded on topic to a comment in this thread.

I could have resounded equally to the OP but I figured his statements were so OTT there was little point (classic after 3 listens?).

I also remember him bitching about good kid mAAd city last year at first, being astounded that anybody could like it - before going on to proclaim it genuis.

So I've learned not to take him seriously.

I guess you can take it as a compliment that I actually felt the need to respond then.

That, or I was bored in work.


You seem to think some people are deluding themselves because they like album X or dislike album Y.

Maybe that's actually how they feel about them.

People will have different tastes in music, simple as.

first of all, my first initial impression from MAAD CITY was that it was a decent album, but after a few months listening to it, it turned out to be the best album of last year.

No album bar 20/20 has made me listen to an album none stop for days like Magna carter,

That album right now is bloody amazing.

It has the beats, catchy lyrics and some meaningful versus such as in the track BLUE.

I would love to see Timbo produce beats for Kendrick.

Timbaland as a producer has shown versatility in this album from JayZ. besides Holy grail and Tom Ford, the other beats timbo done sound nothing like what timbaland normaly produces.

Picasso Baby, what a track. beat wise it is a straight up hard hip hop beat. Something like that would suit Kendrick.

When i first listened to the album i thought tim only did two tunes. i later found out he did most of the songs in the album.

Here is another great hip hop album of late. Tyler the creator.

great album if you want to hear something different.

Bobby Baccala

It's a jay z album, not a timbaland album, he did a nice job but it's nothing legendary you need to stop banging on about him it's getting boring

jonneymendoza

did i say it was a timbo album? had premo made the album you be going none stop how legendary premo is etc etc

Bobby Baccala

if it was a premo album I'd praise his production, and if it was a jay z album that premo produced some of i'd still praise his production, but going on and on about timbalands production when it's not his album is getting boring, listen to the lyrics sometime

jonneymendoza

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

if it was a premo album I'd praise his production, and if it was a jay z album that premo produced some of i'd still praise his production, but going on and on about timbalands production when it's not his album is getting boring, listen to the lyrics sometime

i do listen to his lyrics and they are good.

floggg

jonneymendoza wrote: »

first of all, my first initial impression from MAAD CITY was that it was a decent album, but after a few months listening to it, it turned out to be the best album of last year.

No album bar 20/20 has made me listen to an album none stop for days like Magna carter,

That album right now is bloody amazing.

It has the beats, catchy lyrics and some meaningful versus such as in the track BLUE.

I would love to see Timbo produce beats for Kendrick.

Timbaland as a producer has shown versatility in this album from JayZ. besides Holy grail and Tom Ford, the other beats timbo done sound nothing like what timbaland normaly produces.

Picasso Baby, what a track. beat wise it is a straight up hard hip hop beat. Something like that would suit Kendrick.

When i first listened to the album i thought tim only did two tunes. i later found out he did most of the songs in the album.

Here is another great hip hop album of late. Tyler the creator.

great album if you want to hear something different.

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Everything.

Nas in this forum is regarded as one of the BEST rappers ever andmany have said illmatic is one of if not the best rap album ever.

u do the math. Work it out.

This rapper is overhyped. his nothing special. the beats his rhymed or not unique at all. same sound done over and over again.

the beats Kanye and his crew put out are much more unique/refreshing then kendrics beats he has rapped on.

Kendric is comparable to GAME imo. i rate Snoop dogg, Common, Nas, enimen, jay z, all above Kendric.

Kendric will make same impact as GAME and T.I imo ie good decent 7 or 8/10 album but not a classic legend like enimen and nas.

Kendrick went from overhyped and nothing special to album of the year.

You had differing opinions on one rapper alone, and yet you are surprised when a group of people has numerous differing opinions between them?

This whole thread is pointless.

People like different things.

hence there is still a market for marmite.

Boom_Bap

Let's not turn this into a marmite thread

But I think that we can all agree to disagree that we agree that we have disagreed on our agreed opinions of music.

Having listened to both albums the only response I've had is a big meh. Sure there are some great beats and fantastic rhymes on both but overall neither album is one that has drawn me back in. Far as I'm concerned the best album of the year is R.A. The Rugged Mans Legends Never Die. Whereas Kanye and Jay Z are spending millions recording and promoting their albums R.A. does it on the cheap and manages to instill each track with far more wit, originality and intelligence than both Kanye and Jay Z's albums combined.

Take a listen to these tracks and then grab the album, really won't regret it. I've had it on heavy rotation since I first acquired it a few months back and counting down the days till I get the vinyl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3byEUZm0r40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKmM7crrjNE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELYZaiMnkbE

This isn't the best track on the album but it's my favorite. It's so refreshing to hear an artist put so much emotion into his words. There's no way in hell that Kanye could come close to investing half as much emotion in a track, hell in recent years the only thing he seems to invest in his rhymes is his massive, over inflated ego.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efOEujz6kgw

jigglypuffstuff

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i have seen an observation here on some people in regards to two hip hop albums that have recently come out, kanye west and JayZ.

People here complained how most hip hop albums are too pop and bland with no refreshing sounds or innovations yet when Kanye came out with his latest album that completely sounds like some refreshing sound , those same people moaned how its not hip hop etc etc.

They are pop and bland. kanyes album wasnt refreshing it was trash....the slim shady LP was refreshing. Kanye's album is terrible

Now we get a classic hip hop album from JayZ with banging beats and the same tired people moan how the album is meh, bland and doesnt sound any different to other hip hop albums :rolleyes:

In comparison to jays work this album is also trash. The 808 beats show just one thing that jigga is afraid to stay true and just falling in with another style which is nothing more than terrible and not real hip hop

i mean what do some of you guys want from an album? u dont want a traditional hiphop album with banging beats and u dont want a hip hop album trying different sounds and techniques. what do u all want then?

Thats exactly what they did...try...and in many of our opinions they tried and failed.

jonneymendoza

Jayz is as real as a hop hop album can get like MAAD city.

Does Pacaso and Blue sound like a "One Direction" pop/commercial track?

TheBza

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Jayz is as real as a hop hop album can get like MAAD city.

Does Pacaso and Blue sound like a "One Direction" pop/commercial track?

Sorry no its not, and its not commercial pop, its commercial rap.

jigglypuffstuff

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Jayz is as real as a hop hop album can get like MAAD city.

Does Pacaso and Blue sound like a "One Direction" pop/commercial track?

No... it isn't

And yes..they do

bigpoppa

This "commercial rap" makes me laugh, this whole notion that something is not decent because it is commercially successful? The 'hardcore' wu fans should research how much they are actually worth. Quality and success are not mutually exclusive and spouting about unknown artists is great but most are no good. If they were good they would be successful and then you would call them commercial.

I listen to all sorts I like Jayzfan and like kanye - not crazy about the new album but he is trying something new. The most important thing is people respect each others opinions and debate properly and not like children

I laugh at the 'hardcore' probably sitting at home in their ma's

Boom_Bap

Did someone say 'real' hip hop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxtIm9D8I-o

People have different definitions of 'real' (shudder to use the term) hip hop, so the statement;

Jayz is as real as a hop hop album can get like MAAD city.

is correct from your perspective, if that is your view.

jigglypuffstuff

bigpoppa wrote: »

This "commercial rap" makes me laugh, this whole notion that something is not decent because it is commercially successful? The 'hardcore' wu fans should research how much they are actually worth. Quality and success are not mutually exclusive and spouting about unknown artists is great but most are no good. If they were good they would be successful and then you would call them commercial.

I listen to all sorts I like Jayzfan and like kanye - not crazy about the new album but he is trying something new. The most important thing is people respect each others opinions and debate properly and not like children

I laugh at the 'hardcore' probably sitting at home in their ma's

The bold is where you fail so much...nobody ever said that....commercial is purposely tailoring an albums sound in order to make as many sales as possible as opposed to just doing what you do best

An example of this would be

50 cent power of the dollar

50 cent the massacre


Another example of this would be

Eminem - The Slim Shady LP

Eminem - Recovery


They are just random examples i decided to throw out there btw

TheBza

bigpoppa wrote: »

This "commercial rap" makes me laugh, this whole notion that something is not decent because it is commercially successful? The 'hardcore' wu fans should research how much they are actually worth. Quality and success are not mutually exclusive and spouting about unknown artists is great but most are no good. If they were good they would be successful and then you would call them commercial.

I listen to all sorts I like Jayzfan and like kanye - not crazy about the new album but he is trying something new. The most important thing is people respect each others opinions and debate properly and not like children

I laugh at the 'hardcore' probably sitting at home in their ma's

I dont care if an artist is commercially successful, its when they start making the music to be commercially successful if you get me, its the poppy, dance influenced, over the top produced beats with pop artists that i hate, you mentioned wu, they are one of the if not biggest selling hip hop group, but they still managed to maintain a noncommercial sound, apart from Gravel Pit, which is the only one i can really think of off the top of my head , and a few members solo features away from the clan.

Thats the way i see the new Jay-Z/Kanye albums, were Wu would cater for the most part of their loyal following for an album, Jay-Z/Kanye go for that commercial market and dont give a sh1t about their following. I used to like Jay-z, now i cant stand the pr1ck.

And leave me ma outta this right!

jonneymendoza

bigpoppa wrote: »

This "commercial rap" makes me laugh, this whole notion that something is not decent because it is commercially successful? The 'hardcore' wu fans should research how much they are actually worth. Quality and success are not mutually exclusive and spouting about unknown artists is great but most are no good. If they were good they would be successful and then you would call them commercial.

I listen to all sorts I like Jayzfan and like kanye - not crazy about the new album but he is trying something new. The most important thing is people respect each others opinions and debate properly and not like children

I laugh at the 'hardcore' probably sitting at home in their ma's

WELL SAID. this is spot on. it seems if you are a known artist you are commercial and many will moan but if you are an unknown artist you are the best thing since NAS.

watch how when Kendrick releases his next album, many will call it average and pop purely because he is big now lol

jonneymendoza

TheBza wrote: »

Sorry no its not, and its not commercial pop, its commercial rap.

Put some unknown rapper on piscao and you and others wouldnt be calling it commercial rap

Jimmy Iovine

jonneymendoza wrote: »

WELL SAID. this is spot on. it seems if you are a known artist you are commercial and many will moan but if you are an unknown artist you are the best thing since NAS.

Jeez, give it a rest. People don't agree with your opinion on Jay-Z. Move on.

I've been harping on about Chamillionaire ever since I started posting here. The only person I think I've managed to change is Mufcboy.

Don't take everything so personal. I'm sure you're a nice guy. What harm if people don't think Jigga's album is good?

Some unknown rappers are better than 'commercial' rappers. Emcee Jermaine, Thesis, Saheed and Koncept are all better than the majority of their charting colleagues.

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Put some unknown rapper on piscao and you and others wouldnt be calling it commercial rap

What is "piscao"? This point seems to be the same as the previous one (quelle surprise) but it makes no sense.

watch how when Kendrick releases his next album, many will call it average and pop purely because he is big now lol

That's BS and you know it.

jigglypuffstuff

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Jeez, give it a rest. People don't agree with your opinion on Jay-Z. Move on.

I've been harping on about Chamillionaire ever since I started posting here. The only person I think I've managed to change is Mufcboy.

Don't take everything so personal. I'm sure you're a nice guy. What harm if people don't think Jigga's album is good?

Some unknown rappers are better than 'commercial' rappers. Emcee Jermaine, Thesis, Saheed and Koncept are all better than the majority of their charting colleagues.



What is "piscao"? This point seems to be the same as the previous one (quelle surprise) but it makes no sense.



That's BS and you know it.

Cham is an absolute beast!!! been following him since Ridin' and he continually improves i think...what an exceptional artist....I enjoyed his latest offering Elevate.

jonneymendoza

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Jeez, give it a rest. People don't agree with your opinion on Jay-Z. Move on.

I've been harping on about Chamillionaire ever since I started posting here. The only person I think I've managed to change is Mufcboy.

Don't take everything so personal. I'm sure you're a nice guy. What harm if people don't think Jigga's album is good?

Some unknown rappers are better than 'commercial' rappers. Emcee Jermaine, Thesis, Saheed and Koncept are all better than the majority of their charting colleagues.



What is "piscao"? This point seems to be the same as the previous one (quelle surprise) but it makes no sense.



That's BS and you know it.

Yea i dont care much if you hate Jayz and every single rapper that makes the charts .

i guarantee you that people here will slate Kendrics next LP now that he is succesfull and "commercial".

Watch this space. i am just observing how many dont like any rapper that is in the charts, period.

Next big album to come out of the commercial space is eminem. watch it get slated too

jonneymendoza

TheBza wrote: »

Thats the way i see the new Jay-Z/Kanye albums, were Wu would cater for the most part of their loyal following for an album, Jay-Z/Kanye go for that commercial market and dont give a sh1t about their following. I used to like Jay-z, now i cant stand the pr1ck.

And leave me ma outta this right!

i missed this quote but Kanye catering forthe commercial market? Jesus have you even listened to the album?

If you did then please tell me how that album sounds like a commercial catered kanye album?

Many here have said the album is no where near a commercial album, but a huge experimental album that some do not like which is fine but to call inna bog standard comercial rap album is something i and probably many others do not agree.

Jayz i can understand people as some of the beats and lyrics are in the confort zone not expressing new/refreshing sounds/flows/lyrics but Kanye's latest album is the COMPLETE opposite

Jimmy Iovine

pone2012 wrote: »

Cham is an absolute beast!!! been following him since Ridin' and he continually improves i think...what an exceptional artist....I enjoyed his latest offering Elevate.

Good to hear. Have you heard his latest freestyle?

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Yea i dont care much if you hate Jayz and every single rapper that makes the charts .

Woah Sally. Where did I say I "hate Jayz and every single rapper that makes the charts"?

...



Oh yea, that's right, I didn't.

I said, and I quote:

Some unknown rappers are better than 'commercial' rappers. Emcee Jermaine, Thesis, Saheed and Koncept are all better than the majority of their charting colleagues.

Maybe you're having some problems because it's early in the morning but I'll explain what I meant.

I listed four random artists from my iTunes who I feel have put out some music in the last year/two that is better than music released by "the majority" of rappers in the charts. The following definition may be of use. Read it.

ma·jor·i·ty - the number larger than half the total

I never mentioned any of these 'charting' rappers but I also said that the four unknowns aren't better than all of them. Kendrick is better. Nas is better. J Cole is probably better (when he decides to release music like he has this year). Jay-Z is better. Kanye isn't a better MC but he makes up for that with his beats. Eminem was better. Whether he still is is a personal opinion.

There are loads that aren't better and these are the guys I meant - Lil Wayne, Ross, Drake and a plethora of other rappers who I'm not going to bother listing.

Next big album to come out of the commercial space is eminem. watch it get slated too

If Em's next album gets slated it'll be because it's crap. He is capable of putting out bad music. Personally, his last few offerings have been sub-par. I'm not going to bother with whatever he releases next unless I'm blown away by a leak.

i guarantee you that people here will slate Kendrics next LP now that he is succesfull and "commercial".

Some will, most won't. It's the same with any album. Not everyone can be as subjective and insightful as you.

Watch this space. i am just observing how many dont like any rapper that is in the charts, period.

I think pretty much everyone on this forum likes at least one rapper in the chart.

No wait, "I guarantee" that everyone on this forum likes at least one rapper in the charts.

See, I can do hyperbole as well.

I await your response. Please try not to twist my words again though to suit your argument.

mufcboy1999

Good music is good music commercial or not IMO. I try to take albums for what they are, if they sound good they sound good even if a rapper is lyrically at f*ck all on it I'd still be capable of enjoying it even if it's a RIck Ross etc.

Still think the 2 lads have released pure and utter rubbish though nothing to do with the content/lyrics , Kanye gives me a headache while jay z puts me asleep despite that Iv bought the 1 or 2 of each album that I liked on iTunes.

Bobby Baccala

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Next big album to come out of the commercial space is eminem. watch it get slated too

Eminem has been commercial since the slim shady lp, how many of his albums have been slated round here, maybe his last one? This is absolute nonsensical bollocks talk tbh.

Albums get slated because they're bad albums with bad beats and bad lyrics, not because they're commercial.

@Jimmy you brought me to the chamillionaire side as well when the ammunition ep came out last march if I recall correctly, before then I didn't take him seriously, just thought he was another 1 hit wonder tbh

mufcboy1999

Recovery is a better album than Kanyes and jay z's recent efforts IMO... I dont know how anyone can knock recovery and defend yeezus or magna.

jonneymendoza

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Eminem has been commercial since the slim shady lp, how many of his albums have been slated round here, maybe his last one? This is absolute nonsensical bollocks talk tbh.

Albums get slated because they're bad albums with bad beats and bad lyrics, not because they're commercial.

@Jimmy you brought me to the chamillionaire side as well when the ammunition ep came out last march if I recall correctly, before then I didn't take him seriously, just thought he was another 1 hit wonder tbh

People have slated every album of eminemns bar slim shady and marshal mathers.



Also, i love Recovery. that was possibly my album of the year when it came out.

Bobby Baccala

jonneymendoza wrote: »

People have slated every album of eminemns bar slim shady and marshal mathers.



Also, i love Recovery. that was possibly my album of the year when it came out.

Who slated these albums? because I don't remember anybody saying a bad word about encore, the eminem show or infinite.

Relapse and recovery deserved a lot of the negative criticism they received because they're not the best of albums.

I doubt there is anybody that on this forum that hates every bit of commercial hip hop around because there are still some gems floating around like kendrick and pretty much everybody on this forum is a fan of his in some way, same with jay z and kanye's music, past or present.

Bobby Baccala

What are peoples actual problems with magna carta?? It's a grand album, not immense by jay z's standards or anything but I think a few people are just disliking it for the sake of it because the production is nice and the lyrics are above average.

I can understand the dislike for kanyes album a lot of people have because tbh it's pretty poor, I seriously dislike it

Boom_Bap

I think MCHG is alright, but not the mega uber album that has been hyped up.......hyped up by myself.
But after watching Jay'z interview with Zane Lowe, it's maybe given me more appreciation for the album and how it came about.

Had a little work to do this evening so figured I'd throw on the two albums and see if there was something I didn't get the first few times. Good as both albums there's simply no killer track between the two. Don't get me wrong there are very good tracks on both but none that made my jaw drop and think "I need to hear that again right now."

My favorite part of Yeezus is the sample that kicks in around the 2:54 mark on New Slaves. I really wish that Kanye had laid down a couple of versus atop it as it has a real old school sound to it.

Here's the original:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGt-rTDkMcM

mufcboy1999

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

What are peoples actual problems with magna carta?? It's a grand album, not immense by jay z's standards or anything but I think a few people are just disliking it for the sake of it because the production is nice and the lyrics are above average.

I can understand the dislike for kanyes album a lot of people have because tbh it's pretty poor, I seriously dislike it

The production isn't all that great , I think people want to think the actual production is great because of the big names on it and the hype surrounding it. There's been albums released this year that are head and shoulders above magna production wise and without the massive commercial production team that was assembled by jay.

The lyrics well there's only so much boastfulness I can listen too without switching off. I don't know if jay picked up that trait from kanye but he's seriously rapping about f*ck all for the vast majority of the album, it's just a boring album IMO and he's at nothing on it.

Bobby Baccala

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

The production isn't all that great , I think people want to think the actual production is great because of the big names on it and the hype surrounding it. There's been albums released this year that are head and shoulders above magna production wise and without the massive commercial production team that was assembled by jay.

The lyrics well there's only so much boastfulness I can listen too without switching off. I don't know if jay picked up that trait from kanye but he's seriously rapping about f*ck all for the vast majority of the album, it's just a boring album IMO and he's at nothing on it.

Even if you think he is at nothing on it didn't you say a couple of posts ago you don't care if a rapper is doing fùck all on an album as long as it sounds good?

Some of the beats are pretty nice, and you can't deny that oceans is a belter of a song! More so because of frank however but still.

mufcboy1999

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Even if you think he is at nothing on it didn't you say a couple of posts ago you don't care if a rapper is doing fùck all on an album as long as it sounds good?

Some of the beats are pretty nice, and you can't deny that oceans is a belter of a song! More so because of frank however but still.

I did and I also said I bought the few tracks I enjoyed off the album like bbc or f*ck with me ft ross which is a perfect example of a song when both are seriously at nothing on it ! the beat saves it tbh the best part of that song was prob pimp c's intro.

There's some horror beats on it like track 2 and 3 on the album ( can't remember the names ), the song with Beyonce etc there bad songs for me. Maybe it's jay z on the actual beats that's throwing me off because he really does butcher a few on it.

Take bbc for example nas kills it while jay nearly ruins it. He was certainly average to say the least on this album just like his past few attempts IMO.

Bobby Baccala

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I did and I also said I bought the few tracks I enjoyed off the album like bbc or f*ck with me ft ross which is a perfect example of a song when both are seriously at nothing on it ! the beat saves it tbh the best part of that song was prob pimp c's intro.

There's some horror beats on it like track 2 and 3 on the album ( can't remember the names ), the song with Beyonce etc there bad songs for me. Maybe it's jay z on the actual beats that's throwing me off because he really does butcher a few on it.

Take bbc for example nas kills it while jay nearly ruins it. He was certainly average to say the least on this album just like his past few attempts IMO.

Can't agree with that I don't think the bbc beat suited Nas at all tbh.

The beyonce and jay z track while not the best will probably be the biggest single off it