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Finally the Irish Justice system has gotten something right.

  • 08-07-2013 07:17PM
    #1
    [Deleted User]
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    Probably has been covered already, but fair play to the High Court for not giving in to America -
    High Court refuses US request for Snowden arrest warrant
    Monday, July 08, 2013 - 05:45 PM

    Ireland has denied the US an arrest warrant for whistleblower Edward Snowden in case he lands in the country, it has been revealed.

    The High Court in Dublin ruled that Washington DC security chiefs failed to show where alleged crimes had been committed by the former intelligence contractor.

    The US applied for a provisional arrest warrant on Friday through its Ballsbridge embassy.

    Officials made the move after former spy Mr Snowden contacted 21 countries, including Ireland, seeking asylum.

    There were concerns the fugitive intelligence officer, who has been living in the transit section of Moscow's Sheremetyevo-2 airport, would pass through Shannon Airport en route to South America.

    A request for asylum in Ireland can only be considered if Snowden makes an application on arrival in the country.

    Source: Irish Examiner

    So, if Snowden manages to get over to here, do you think they'll follow through and grant him his asylum?


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  • #2
    Fukuyama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    boneyarsebogman wrote: »
    Probably has been covered already, but fair play to the High Court for not giving in to America -



    Source: Irish Examiner

    So, if Snowden manages to get over to here, do you think they'll follow through and grant him his asylum?

    If he got here I imagine he'd be on the next plane.

    Fcuking with the US is the last thing Ireland needs.


  • #3
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    boneyarsebogman wrote: »
    Probably has been covered already, but fair play to the High Court for not giving in to America -



    Source: Irish Examiner

    So, if Snowden manages to get over to here, do you think they'll follow through and grant him his asylum?

    Not a chance, Irish gov would hand him over within 48 hours tops.


  • #4
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    I would hope that we give him asylum if he does land here. Just because America is a big country doesn't mean that we can't stand up for what we believe is right.


    Lets be clear. Obama passes a Whistleblower Protection Bill. I mean wtf????



  • #5
    Riddle101
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    If he's passing through, to get to South America then I think he could do it. If the court denied the arrest warrant, then he should be allowed to pass through. However, as far as living here goes it would be a big mistake. Not just for Snowden, but us as well for granting asylum.


  • #6
    Nolimits
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    Riddle101 wrote: »
    If he's passing through, to get to South America then I think he could do it. If the court denied the arrest warrant, then he should be allowed to pass through. However, as far as living here goes it would be a big mistake. Not just for Snowden, but us as well for granting asylum.

    I'd agree that it would be a bad idea to give him asylum. You know there would be a lot of pressure on US companies to get out of Ireland. Americans as we all know can be very nationalistic, I'm not sure it's worth the hassle.

    And I hate myself for thinking that.


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  • #7
    RobbingBandit
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    Someone should send him an Irish Passport, Ollie North and his friends used them in the 1980's, something tells me the USA goon squad have some nasty stuff in store for this guy and anyone that helps him.

    If/when the do catch him if the put him in that hell hold on Cuba Obama should lose that Noble Peace Prize he got for promising to close it down.


  • #8
    BNMC
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    Don't bite the hand that feeds you.


  • #9
    oppenheimer1
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    boneyarsebogman wrote: »
    Probably has been covered already, but fair play to the High Court for not giving in to America -



    Source: Irish Examiner

    So, if Snowden manages to get over to here, do you think they'll follow through and grant him his asylum?

    It was ruled out only on a technicality. If the Americans get their request in order the high court will grant it.


  • #10
    bumper234
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    BNMC wrote: »
    Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

    Better to die on your feet than live on your knees:rolleyes:


  • #11
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    If the US refuse to deport Drumm and Dunne back here then we should grant Snowden asylum, after all they are harbouring two of our biggest crooks!


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  • #12
    zenno
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    If the american government gives us any static, then all we have to do is deny american military rendition flights to refuel in shannon or any other part of this country and that will learn them. Maybe.


  • #13
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Better to die on your feet than live on your knees:rolleyes:
    the battle cry of many a dead man


  • #14
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    the battle cry of many a dead man

    Metaphorically speaking of course :D


  • #15
    Renegade Mechanic
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    Old and grey wrote: »
    If the US refuse to deport Drumm and Dunne back here then we should grant Snowden asylum, after all they are harbouring two of our biggest crooks!


    Exactly!!! Sounds like a fair exchange.


  • #16
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Exactly!!! Sounds like a fair exchange.

    But those two Irish fugitives will never spend time in prison even if we got them sent over.


  • #17
    Maxwell Victorious Burger
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Maxwell Victorious Burger


    Renegade Mechanic wrote: »
    Exactly!!! Sounds like a fair exchange.

    I'm not seeing the familiarities between Snowden and Drumm/Dunne.


  • #18
    jos28
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    Old and grey wrote: »
    If the US refuse to deport Drumm and Dunne back here then we should grant Snowden asylum, after all they are harbouring two of our biggest crooks!

    My sentiments entirely. I reckon we should grant Snowden temporary asylum and hang on to him while Enda rings Obama and arranges a swap.


  • #19
    Peregrine
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    Snowden won't look for asylum in Ireland, he's not stupid.

    It would be unwise for him to seek and unwise for us to grand it.
    jos28 wrote: »
    My sentiments entirely. I reckon we should grant Snowden temporary asylum and hang on to him while Enda rings Obama and arranges a swap.

    You would hand over a man who is wanted for only telling the truth to his country?


  • #20
    aloyisious
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    I've been wondering about Enda's statement last week when he was asked about Snowden seeking asylum from the Irish State and he (Enda) said Snowden would have to be in Ireland to do so. Could Snowden ask for asylum if he entered an Irish Embassy anywhere, let alone Moscow?


  • #21
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    aloyisious wrote: »
    I've been wondering about Enda's statement last week when he was asked about Snowden seeking asylum from the Irish State and he (Enda) said Snowden would have to be in Ireland to do so. Could Snowden ask for asylum if he entered an Irish Embassy anywhere, let alone Moscow?

    Good point, I always assumed you can get asylum in any embassy if you asked, but snowden doesn't have a passport so not sure how that would play out.


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  • #22
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not seeing the familiarities between Snowden and Drumm/Dunne.

    Snowden is accussed of being a traitor, the other two are traitors!


  • #23
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Old and grey wrote: »
    Snowden is accussed of being a traitor, the other two are traitors!

    Absolutely 100% correct.


  • #24
    Cody Pomeray
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    boneyarsebogman wrote: »
    Probably has been covered already, but fair play to the High Court for not giving in to America
    It's not a matter of giving into America. The superior courts take questions of fundamental rights very seriously in this country, arguably moreso than most other European states. Personal liberty is about as serious as a fundamental right gets.

    In fact, the way in which fundamental or other constitutional rights are taken so seriously in this country is probably why so many people sigh at some decisions, or feel that judges are out of touch.

    It's hard to imagine that this decision was anything other than inevitable.


  • #25
    Gatling
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    zenno wrote: »
    If the american government gives us any static, then all we have to do is deny american military rendition flights to refuel in shannon or any other part of this country and that will learn them. Maybe.

    They'd laugh at us
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  • #26
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Gatling wrote: »
    They'd laugh at us

    They can laugh all they like because Irish law on asylum supersedes the US intervention on our laws.

    Great work the judge done in explaining this...... Judge Colm Mac Eochaidh refused the request for an arrest warrant on the grounds that no information had been given by the US authorities about where the alleged offences took place.

    The ruling also stated that the decision was taken because the US failed to show where the theft of government property took place or what had been stolen.


  • #27
    Peregrine
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    zenno wrote: »
    If the american government gives us any static, then all we have to do is deny american military rendition flights to refuel in shannon or any other part of this country and that will learn them. Maybe.

    And Shannon Airport will be a worse position than it is now


    Shut down one of our largest airports with the longest runway on the island and the only airport other than Dublin to have transatlantic flights and put more of our people out of jobs..that'll teach 'em!


  • #28
    clairefontaine
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    Well done Ireland!


  • #29
    Maxwell Victorious Burger
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    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    And Shannon Airport will be a worse position than it is now


    Shut down one of our largest airports with the longest runway on the island and the only airport other than Dublin to have transatlantic flights and put more of our people out of jobs..that'll teach 'em!

    All great rivers have a source.


  • #30
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    And Shannon Airport will be a worse position than it is now


    Shut down one of our largest airports with the longest runway on the island and the only airport other than Dublin to have transatlantic flights and put more of our people out of jobs..that'll teach 'em!

    ?. I don't get you. Who said anything about shutting down shannon airport, all you would be doing is shutting down american military rendition flights from refuelling at said airport, all other flights from america will be as is.


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  • #31
    KingOfFairview
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    Gatling wrote: »
    They'd laugh at us

    Well, they can laugh at us all they like but if they forcibly land warplanes here to refuel they are invading us and are at war with us. don't think they'll do that somehow.


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