Brawl at Gay Pride Fest in Seattle , God Squad at it Again

nucker wrote: »

Sorry, but I'm not into men as in not gay, that is the choice I live by

Actual heterosexual people don't need to choose to be straight because there's nothing to choose, you either are or aren't. Saying you have to choose implies you could choose not to be, ergo you're not actually heterosexual as if you were there would be no possibility of a choice.

Sounds like you're in denial.

nucker wrote: »

Didn't I say that already? Or are you choosing to ignore what I've answered? (Excuse the pun)

Because what you're saying in relation to your sexuality makes no sense. Your definition of your heterosexuality is based on the fact that you've never committed a homosexual act.

krudler wrote: »

It's not, just because you think it is doesn't make it so, sorry. Again I ask, are gay people just choosing to make life harder for themselves when they could just choose to be straight instead? I'm sure they just love being discriminated against and told they're wrong by bigots such as yourself.

No it is. Do you not know that if someone puts "sorry but..." at the start of their sentence, that validates their claim? lol

Sorry but it is...
Sorry but it isnt...
sorry but it is...

we'll be here all feckin day.

Sorry but if you're not gay how the fuuck can you claim its a choice?

krudler wrote: »

When did you choose to be straight?

I didnt. I'm gay (and I didnt choose to be)

Sorry for confusion. I was respoding to a post by nuker, who said "Sorry, but it is a choice, no need to ruin the thread. As I've just stated before and will always choose" but didnt quote it properly.

gallag wrote: »

I think gay people need to manage expectations as to how they are accepted and stop trying to convince the world that being gay is normal, its not normal and the resentment to it is so deep in our genetic make up it will never leave. I completely agree that gays should fight for every equal right under the sun, its ridiculous that some of us cant fight our inbuilt desire for the continuation of our race enough to grant people equal opportunities without prejudice of sexual orientation but they will never win the fight against evolution telling us that being gay is wrong and damaging to our species, evolution will do amazing things like the neck of a giraffe to enforce survival so it wont mess up by turning everyone gay. Some will do it under the guise of religion but people need to understand that being anti-gay is a defence mechanism to ensure our race continues and we have little choice in the matter.

This is completely wrong. Homophobia is not deep rooted in our genetics at all. In fact, there were huge benefits to having homosexual as part of the group as there were more people to protect the group, gather resources and raise children had one or both of the parents been killed off (which would've been common) couple that with the fact that the gay memebers wouldn't be bogged down with their own children so they could devote themselves to the group, thus making it stronger.

The idea that homosexuality is wrong is a testament to the massive influence Christianity and other organised religions had on society. Before Christianity in what you might consider "barbaric Ireland", there were many legal structures in place and even there were accounts of same-sex marriage. It wasn't an issue at all back then at all. Neither was it in Ancient Rome, Greece, or in Aztec or Incan society either. They were advanced civilisations at the time and saw nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality.

When organised religions like Christianity came to rise they viewed homosexuality as immoral because that meant they wouldn't be getting new recruits from those people, so for the sake of rapid expansion that all had to stop.

At the root of it, Christianity wanted nothing more but extreme power, influence and the money that came with it. It didn't matter if that ended up in war, genocide or massive oppression, that's all they wanted -supreme power.

There's nothing wrong with sex, it's not a dirty, immoral or sinful thing, and we don't listen to the church on those matters, so why should we listen to them when they say contraception is immoral as well as homosexuality? Thankfully we're listening to the church less and less and it's loosing it's oppressive grip, as it should. More damage and war has come about from religion than anything else on Earth. The deep rooted prejudices to things as natural and enjoyable as sex are only the biggest testament to that oppression.

My point is that all this aggression toward homosexuality is the direct result of a harsh religious influence because there was no hostility towards homosexuality before the dawn of organised religion. It's not rooted in our DNA at all, that's a ridiculous assumption to make. We are the product of our society's values, and those values were deeply shaped by religion.
Once we move away from that we will start to see homosexuality for what it it, just a differing sexuality. We won't see anything being wrong with it because no religion will be telling us there is, because logically, there's is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

human beings are basically like a bacteria that spreads, bacteria A will "engage" with bacteria B and split causing a third bacteria, if bacteria A decides to only engage with other A's then this is a defective bacteria and evolution will do everything in its power to make sure these defective bacteria remain uncommon, the point is that A's that like B's will never be anything other than the default majority or else our species will cease to exist, makes sense if you think about it.

Bacteria only reproduces asexually. Your point is moot.

I am probably not doing a good job putting my opinion into words as usual but the main point is this, yes fight for equality, fight for rights like marriage etc but dont waste your life's fighting human nature looking acceptance from all people, ignore them and pardon them because just as people don't choose to be gay some people dont choose to be anti-gay.

You're not doing a good job because you assume homophobia is genetic and can't be helped, no more than homosexuality. That's a cop out, it's learned from your surroundings.

I grew up thinking homosexuality was sick, and what do you know? I grew up believing that as well. It's complete laziness to assume homophobia is what it is and that's it.
If anything needs to be stamped out it's homophobia, not homsexuality.

clairefontaine wrote: »

There's been a lot of debate about this.

Sometimes it is a choice. Cynthia Nixon publicly said her lesbian relationship was a choice.

Others say you can't help whom you fall in love with. I disagree. It just never feels like you have a choice at the time.

People who fall in love with their pets or with kids also might say they don't have a choice and can't help what they are attracted to.

So, how much does it really matter if its a choice or if its a biological destiny?

Gays make up such a small proportion of the population but the way they on you'd think they were a very significant minority.

The way they go on? Yes I hate when people demand equality. Same as that minority of wheelchair users always looking for wheelchair access. Do they not realise they are a minor part of the human race?

I've been labouring under the illusion that I was born gay but you know...if Cynthia Nixon says its a choice...

ps I love the way almost every gay thread eventually brings out the "you could fancy your pet/child" argument. wtf??

gallag wrote: »

Sexism and racism are completely different to homophobia when looked at in the context of evolution and protection of the species, remember the same force that gave us legs when we emerged from the water or other amazingly complex gifts like the opposable thumb is also telling us to mate with the opposite sex and deviation is wrong, its no coincidence that 99%+ of the population is straight, evolution has made us anti-gay.

Then why don't other animals hate homosexuality just as much? There's is no basis for your claim that evolution made us anti-gay. That's a compete assumption on your part, and that's without even looking into the research that points to the opposite of what you think.