Brawl at Gay Pride Fest in Seattle , God Squad at it Again

dmc17 · 07-07-2013 10:59PM

These jesus freaks are sad, brainwashed idiots. It's always going to end badly for them. If the gay people want to have a festival, then let them. Don't wander into the middle of it forcing your beliefs on them and expect nothing to happen. I think your man got off lightly. He should've had that sign shoved up his hole!

07-07-2013 11:00PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

OMG! Did you all see how the US police force ran in, tased everyone, shot a couple of dogs, high-fived each other, and then pissed on the camera people?!

They were on push bikes, they know their role.

keano_afc · 07-07-2013 11:09PM

The Aussie wrote: »

So the God Squad went there looking for a fight and found what they wanted.....

A religion of peace and understanding, one thing I realized years ago that Christian Extremists are just as looney as their Muslim brothers.

Free speech no? As far as I could see only one side there wanted a fight, and it wasnt the Christians.

minidazzler · 07-07-2013 11:36PM

dmc17 wrote: »

These jesus freaks are sad, brainwashed idiots. It's always going to end badly for them. If the gay people want to have a festival, then let them. Don't wander into the middle of it forcing your beliefs on them and expect nothing to happen. I think your man got off lightly. He should've had that sign shoved up his hole!

No, he shouldn't. It's the US, where you can have signs like that. And that's nothing but a good thing. Even if they do have a message of intolerance it's better that it's allowed be conveyed than if the government could sanction what you are allowed to say.

Killer Wench · 07-07-2013 11:52PM

Anyway, I'm in the Seattle area. I had friends at the event and I just asked around regarding this 'brawl'. The big guy doing the swinging has been arrested 29 times since 1995 (domestic violence, vehicle prowling, firearm possession and theft).

Canard · 07-07-2013 11:56PM

I see a very clear difference between free speech and incitement of hatred. No sympathy at all for the preachers, they can give it a fcuking rest for the one day of the year where gay people are supposed to not feel ashamed or oppressed. I can't imagine they'd walk into a pub with those signs, despite both homosexuality and drunkenness being things we need to be saved from (:rolleyes:), so they don't mean well, they're just being plain old homophobes.

aloyisious · 08-07-2013 12:25AM

If you go to protest at a gathering where you're likely to be unwelcome and you know in advance that your presence will cause offence, then you are part responsible for any disturbance your presence causes, regardless of your right to free speech and all it allows.

The rest of the upset and all the violence seemed to come from three people attending the Pride party, two men and a woman, said woman being a friend of the arrested gent who was telling her to shut up. One thing that surprised me was that she was able to follow, chase and harass the placard-bearer and his pal with the JESUS shirt without a care in the world but when the Cops shop up and take an interest in her, she's suddenly apparently a mother with a child in a buggy.

0066ad · 08-07-2013 12:27AM

Canard wrote: »

I see a very clear difference between free speech and incitement of hatred. No sympathy at all for the preachers, they can give it a fcuking rest for the one day of the year where gay people are supposed to not feel ashamed or oppressed. I can't imagine they'd walk into a pub with those signs, despite both homosexuality and drunkenness being things we need to be saved from (:rolleyes:), so they don't mean well, they're just being plain old homophobes.

Lets reverse this roll for a second, If the westboro babtist holds a parade
against the rights of the gay marriage and two members from the lbgt were to
turn up and protest against that peacefully, the westboro church has
a right to attack them an incitement of hate against them?

B.A._Baracus · 08-07-2013 12:28AM

Got to laugh :pac:

Not about the the topic of anti-gay religious people vs homosexual people. But the dude who grabs the sign (shades and cap guy) wrestles with the bald guy. No punches are thrown. Yet when people break it up, shades & cap guy gets up whilst being seperated, and says "hit me again mother fu**er!" while hiding behind the women :pac:

0066ad · 08-07-2013 12:35AM

If a pro choice parade was insulted with the sign of a pro life have they the right to
use violence against them? and vice versa can a pro life use violence against a pro choice just because he was holding a sign they didn't agree with?

TeddyTedson · 08-07-2013 12:36AM

Chorcai wrote: »

Not really fair to say they went looking for fight, more to protest or "save" people as they would see it. They had every right to be there also.

Should they really be allowed to protest against gay people at a gay pride though. I mean being gay is completely legal in Seattle. Should these people have been removed first of all for inciting trouble?

Anyways, there's a lot of whack jobs out there. I'm surprised people were so wound up by them though, it's just so ridiculous that people like that still exist in a so called 1st world country.

c_man · 08-07-2013 12:40AM

0066ad wrote: »

Lets reverse this roll for a second, If the westboro babtist holds a parade
against the rights of the gay marriage and two members from the lbgt were to
turn up and protest against that peacefully, the westboro church has
a right to attack them an incitement of hate against them?

Yes. What's more in such an incident they "should know better" and not have any right to complain if violence occurs, as it was as inevitable as the Sun rising. Right thread?

greenflash · 08-07-2013 12:43AM

Shouldn't the two god botherers have just turned the other cheek instead of grassing up the fat bloke to the cops? Hypocrites.

Jimoslimos · 08-07-2013 12:49AM

Drunk aggressive people are drunk aggressive people regardless of sexuality.

I have little time for the the God squad but they weren't the ones who turned violent in this instance.

Killer Wench · 08-07-2013 12:56AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Should they really be allowed to protest against gay people at a gay pride though. I mean being gay is completely legal in Seattle. Should these people have been removed first of all for inciting trouble?

Anyways, there's a lot of whack jobs out there. I'm surprised people were so wound up by them though, it's just so ridiculous that people like that still exist in a so called 1st world country.

The purpose of protecting the freedom of speech, isn't to protect the speech that you agree with, it is to protect the speech that you don't agree with. The individuals who went to the Pride event with their homophobic signs knew that they were spreading an unpopular message, but they have the same right to protest on public land as the other individuals had a right to celebrate and participate in the activities.

TeddyTedson · 08-07-2013 01:08AM

Killer Wench wrote: »

The purpose of protecting the freedom of speech, isn't to protect the speech that you agree with, it is to protect the speech that you don't agree with. The individuals who went to the Pride event with their homophobic signs knew that they were spreading an unpopular message, but they have the same right to protest on public land as the other individuals had a right to celebrate and participate in the activities.

Yeah but surely they can do this somewhere else or at another time.
I think it's just trying to incite violence. I don't think they really should have been allowed to protest at a gay pride event.

Duggy747 · 08-07-2013 01:09AM

Seattle has gone mental since Frasier left.

Killer Wench · 08-07-2013 01:21AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Yeah but surely they can do this somewhere else or at another time.
I think it's just trying to incite violence. I don't think they really should have been allowed to protest at a gay pride event.

Doing it somewhere else at another time doesn't hit the audience that they wish to target. They are free to protest anywhere as long as it is peacefully done. Civil people know not to use their fists and anger to make their counterpoint against such speech.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, the big guy who began punching the protester had an extensive arrest record. He was a ticking time-bomb and was probably the type of person to lash out even the protester had been protesting somewhere else on another day.

1ZRed · 08-07-2013 01:30AM

Seriously these psycho religious picketers need to learn to fuck off where they're not wanted and to stay in their churches. What did they expect, that they'd be welcomed with open arms?

Don't stir shit. If I was around one of them and he was telling me that Jesus was going to save me I'd tell him to shove that sign up his hole.

It'd be like a pack of religious racists picketing against interratial marriage on Martin Luther King Day -as crazy as it sounds, it's happened. I doubt that'd go down without so much as a problem in modern times either.

They made it their business of being there and causing a stir. It's only one day of the year pride happens and yet they still went protesting against it. If they didn't want any trouble then they shouldn't have gone looking for it because that shite won't be tolerated and it never should either.

jill_valentine · 08-07-2013 01:34AM

I don't support violence when it comes to these chumps, largely because as far as they're concerned, it just makes them right.

But frankly, with IRL "Not touching! Can't Get Mad!" trolls like these idiots, I'm just amazed this doesn't happen much more often. This is the first such incident I can think of. Compared to...

It's so very, very hard to muster up sympathy for individuals of that calibre considering how much douchery they can get away with, and for how long; often with the passive validation of "defence of marriage" legislation or religious and political leaders talking about how, gosh, they don't hate or fear gay people, they just don't think they're equal, or fit parents, or safe to be around children, or...

So yes. It's bad that somebody got hurt, no matter how thick they are. But I've heard more about this story than I've heard about most of the names on that list above, precisely because this, this is unusual.

0066ad · 08-07-2013 01:41AM

1ZRed wrote: »

Seriously these psycho religious picketers need to learn to fuck off where they're not wanted and to stay in their churches. What did they expect, that they'd be welcomed with open arms?

Don't stir shit. If I was around one of them and he was telling me that Jesus was going to save me I'd tell him to shove that sign up his hole.

It'd be like a pack of religious racists picketing against interratial marriage on Martin Luther King Day -as crazy as it sounds, it's happened. I doubt that'd go down without so much as a problem in modern times either.

They made it their business of being there and causing a stir. It's only one day of the year pride happens and yet they still went protesting against it. If they didn't want any trouble then they shouldn't have gone looking for it because that shite won't be tolerated and it never should either.

You call them psycho's, tell them to stay in their churches ask did they
expect to be welcome in with open arms and if they said that to me I'll shove
that sign up his ass. Way to go for equal rights there 1Zred keep fighting
for those equal rights as along as its just your opinion who is right

1ZRed · 08-07-2013 02:06AM

0066ad wrote: »

You call them psycho's, tell them to stay in their churches ask did they
expect to be welcome in with open arms and if they said that to me I'll shove
that sign up his ass. Way to go for equal rights there 1Zred keep fighting
for those equal rights as along as its just your opinion who is right

Well I could go ahead and join the ku klux klan and protest my distaste of black people, I don't think my opinion would be right there, nor do I think that would be acceptable. Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from everything derogatory, you can't just say whatever you want and expect to get away with it.

I'm a big one for "if you're not harming anyone and it doesn't affect me, then I see no problem with it", but thing is, fanatically religious people don't think like that the majority of the time.
I'm all for equal rights, and taking me and the same-sex marriage legislation as an example, I only want the right to a civil state marriage, not a same-sex marriage in a church. I understand that I don't have the right to impose my views on that church, and within their church, it's their rules. I think that's fair enough.
Thing is though, many religious people don't care and don't want the legislation to go ahead at all, even if it doesn't affect them in the slightest bit and has nothing to do with them as it is a state issue, not a religious one. They want it banned for everyone, everywhere, not just banning it in the church.

Tell me how that's equal?

And honestly why should I have to put up with this? If a pack of racists started picketing against black people should they just let them have their say and have nothing done about it?

It's not even the same thing, but to make it more relatable, If a group of protesters started hasling you and your mates because of being Irish would you just sit back and do nothing? I doubt it, so why should I?

clairefontaine · 08-07-2013 04:12AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Should they really be allowed to protest against gay people at a gay pride though. I mean being gay is completely legal in Seattle. Should these people have been removed first of all for inciting trouble?

Anyways, there's a lot of whack jobs out there. I'm surprised people were so wound up by them though, it's just so ridiculous that people like that still exist in a so called 1st world country.

You can watch pornography in the Seattle public libraries.

Free speech is free speech.

1ZRed · 08-07-2013 04:37AM

clairefontaine wrote: »

You can watch pornography in the Seattle public libraries.

Free speech is free speech.

Free speech doesn't grant you the ability to say whatever you like without any consequence.

Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas using one's body and property to anyone who is willing to receive them. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, as with libel, slander, obscenity, sedition (including, for example inciting ethnic hatred), copyright violation, revelation of information that is classified or otherwise.

What's interesting in that bolded example above is that you could fit any minority in there, including gay people.

So if any organisation did lobby to incite hate against gay people they would not be able to hide behind freedom of speech as it wouldn't protect them.

JONJO THE MISER · 08-07-2013 04:56AM

This is what kills me, i have no problem with Gay people, they have a right to march and enjoy there parade but you get that element that Just wants to showboat and are in it because its trendy to be loud, those preachers while i disagree with there views had no right to be attacked like that, just turn a blind eye.

Ruudi_Mentari · 08-07-2013 05:54AM

Those placards are incendiary in the first place and is wonder they made it that far. Who the fcuks marchday was it anyhow, not the god squads

nucker · 08-07-2013 06:23AM

tajd wrote: »

apparently we all need to be saved from

1. Homosexuality
2. Materialism
3. Pornography
4. Drugs
5. Rock Music
6. Drunkeness
7. Tv Worship

You say that "God Squad at it again" but all I see is the others being bullies, especially the big guy pushing his weight around. People do have the right to have freedom of speech if you are going to say that the God Squad had no right to "impede" the march

nucker · 08-07-2013 06:27AM

1ZRed wrote: »

Seriously these psycho religious picketers need to learn to fuck off where they're not wanted and to stay in their churches. What did they expect, that they'd be welcomed with open arms?

Don't stir shit. If I was around one of them and he was telling me that Jesus was going to save me I'd tell him to shove that sign up his hole.

It'd be like a pack of religious racists picketing against interratial marriage on Martin Luther King Day -as crazy as it sounds, it's happened. I doubt that'd go down without so much as a problem in modern times either.

They made it their business of being there and causing a stir. It's only one day of the year pride happens and yet they still went protesting against it. If they didn't want any trouble then they shouldn't have gone looking for it because that shite won't be tolerated and it never should either.

Freedom of speech dude, otherwise its fascism which is not welcomed in the free world. If it hurts someone's feeling, what can you do? There are people who are down right racist who get freedom of speech, why not this? The God Squad are not doing any harm

nucker · 08-07-2013 06:29AM

The Aussie wrote: »

They went there looking for comfrontation, they got it in spades, they knew that they were not going to "save" anyone there, they just wanted a fight (albeit verbal not physical).

Where is your evidence that they were looking for a confrontation? Do you have the freedom of speech? If so, why can't these people have the right to the freedom of speech?

Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they don't have the right of free speech

nucker · 08-07-2013 06:33AM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Yeah but surely they can do this somewhere else or at another time.
I think it's just trying to incite violence. I don't think they really should have been allowed to protest at a gay pride event.

Why should they? Just give me a reason why they should go elsewhere?

Your opinion that they are "inciting" violence is not valid, there is the same that goes with the London gay pride, no one uses violence to make the excuse to shut them up, so why should they?

Brawl at Gay Pride Fest in Seattle , God Squad at it Again

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