Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

red_bairn · 07-07-2013 02:58PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

I was told that mine would definitely be live this week (i.e. after Monday)

Where you live?

SpaceTime · 07-07-2013 03:01PM

red_bairn wrote: »

Where you live?

Eh, that would be a bit too much info to put on a thread.

bealtine · 07-07-2013 03:01PM

Morrisseyy wrote: »

My cab is due to go live this month according to that spreadsheet. Saw July 12th mentioned as a date for the next "batch" to go live, any source on that?

yeah the spreadsheet...

bealtine · 07-07-2013 03:04PM

google map will be available later today or tomorrow...

The coordinates are mostly ok but there are a good few way off...

SpaceTime · 07-07-2013 03:06PM

Wow -- didn't realise they'd installed THAT many cabinets. It's no wonder I'm seeing eircom vans everywhere these days. They've been busy!

Hopefully eircom have no 'turned a corner' and the bad old days of dial-up speeds for broadband might be starting to disappear.

bealtine · 07-07-2013 03:15PM

Here is the map:

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1FogNL4QGneyEpG-k0bKf3qokZUrv57qSNj_xZa4#map:id=3

bealtine · 07-07-2013 03:49PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

Wow -- didn't realise they'd installed THAT many cabinets. It's no wonder I'm seeing eircom vans everywhere these days. They've been busy!

Hopefully eircom have no 'turned a corner' and the bad old days of dial-up speeds for broadband might be starting to disappear.

Currently ~20% of households do not have access to broadband

SpaceTime · 07-07-2013 04:12PM

bealtine wrote: »

Currently ~20% of households do not have access to broadband

That'll have to be solved by some flavour of FWA though.

bealtine · 07-07-2013 04:16PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

That'll have to be solved by some flavour of FWA though.

not if the decnr have anything to do with it...

SpaceTime · 07-07-2013 04:46PM

bealtine wrote: »

not if the decnr have anything to do with it...

They're fond of bean cans and tensioned string?

bealtine · 07-07-2013 04:59PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

They're fond of bean cans and tensioned string?

They seem to prefer to believe the marketing departments of the 3G/4G operators rather than the engineers of said companies...

We have nutters like the guy from 3 saying LTE will do 180Mb/s so we don't need real broadband instead give us the money and we'll "deliver"...don't bother with those FWA operators

Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make it a Ms World...it's still a damn pig

SpaceTime · 07-07-2013 05:01PM

Well it would do if you put a 4G base station connected by fibre in everyone's living room!

ferpur · 07-07-2013 06:20PM

beaubec Drogheda addresses still showing as not ready for efibre in the checker but showing as june 13 on the list
once more eircom has lived down to it's rep

dxhound2005 · 07-07-2013 06:47PM

bealtine wrote: »

Currently ~20% of households do not have access to broadband

If that's true then only 3% of the population live in those households. Unless somebody's statistics are wrong. Or maybe there are different definitions of what broadband means.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-lagging-behind-in-terms-of-access-to-broadband-597293.html

According to a report published today from the European Commission's annual Digital Agenda Scoreboard, Ireland is still lagging behind in terms of access to superfast broadband.

The research shows that Ireland is performing well in term of provision of basic broadband to over 97% of the population - the EU average is 95.5%.

bealtine · 07-07-2013 06:53PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The research shows that Ireland is performing well in term of provision of basic broadband to over 97% of the population - the EU average is 95.5%.
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That's only if you include government wishful thinking and other assorted miracles (blue moons and flying pigs etc aka 3G/4G)...

The CSO however disagree:

From Census 2011

Broadband Other Connection None Not Stated Total
1051942 132973 426096 38397 16496408

TechnoFreek · 07-07-2013 06:53PM

Anyone have any update on when Arklow is going to go live?

Manc Red · 07-07-2013 06:55PM

Where is everyone getting these dates and times?

gordonnet · 07-07-2013 07:05PM

lockup35 wrote: »

Found this NGA deployment plan up on the Eircom wholesale site. Not sure how accurate it is though..

http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=1673

what about these locations, will they ever get a new fibre cabinet ?

Curragh Woods, Frankfield, Cork (Entrance)
Dewberry, Mount Oval, Douglas, Cork (Side #76)
Ardkeale, Mount Oval Village, Cork (Oppsite #27 / Grass verge)
Clarkes Wood, Mount Oval Village, Rochestown, Cork (Oppsite #83/84 / Grass)
Rowan Hill, Mount Oval Village, Rochestown, Cork (Grass / Side #83/84 // O/S #28)

SpaceTime · 07-07-2013 07:16PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If that's true then only 3% of the population live in those households. [/B]
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That wouldn't surprise me either given the planning in Ireland and the scale of the ghost estate developments in some counties e.g. Leitrim.

Census 2011 reported >14% of homes were vacant nationally (and the figures probably higher now).

16,881 homes empty apparently

SpaceTime · 07-07-2013 07:22PM

gordonnet wrote: »

what about these locations, will they ever get a new fibre cabinet ?

Curragh Woods, Frankfield, Cork (Entrance)
Dewberry, Mount Oval, Douglas, Cork (Side #76)
Ardkeale, Mount Oval Village, Cork (Oppsite #27 / Grass verge)
Clarkes Wood, Mount Oval Village, Rochestown, Cork (Oppsite #83/84 / Grass)
Rowan Hill, Mount Oval Village, Rochestown, Cork (Grass / Side #83/84 // O/S #28)

I think there are regular non-fibre cabinets at all or most of those locations, so I would assume it's just some planning permission issue. I doubt there'd be any logical reason for an objection as they're just sites on pavements / in grassy areas of Mount Oval and the broadband up there has been absolutely awful to date as it's quite far from Douglas exchange and the lines are very long.

I'd also assume they're all ducted as everything up there's new and underground.

I've heard a lot of houses up there can't get UPC either. For some bizarre reason Chorus didn't cable chunks of it. They were really forward-thinking as an organisation.

dxhound2005 · 07-07-2013 07:31PM

bealtine wrote: »

That's only if you include government wishful thinking and other assorted miracles (blue moons and flying pigs etc aka 3G/4G)...

The CSO however disagree:

From Census 2011

Broadband Other Connection None Not Stated Total
1051942 132973 426096 38397 16496408

Is that 426,096 only people who want broadband but can't get it or a combination of people who can't get it and people who don't want it eventhough it is availble to them? The salient figure surely is the number who can't get it.

bloodyhawk · 07-07-2013 08:21PM

Ok so the online checker has apparently been updated and now its showing that my area is due to be active in july to september ''13
The cabinet is already put and by the looks of things everything has been already done to it. The only thing is that it does not have that sticker attached to it that's everyone talking about. Does that mean, that my area won't be active this coming july 12th? or could there still be a chance of some sort?

bealtine · 07-07-2013 09:51PM

bloodyhawk wrote: »

Ok so the online checker has apparently been updated and now its showing that my area is due to be active in july to september ''13
The cabinet is already put and by the looks of things everything has been already done to it. The only thing is that it does not have that sticker attached to it that's everyone talking about. Does that mean, that my area won't be active this coming july 12th? or could there still be a chance of some sort?

An area "launched" means that ~40% of the cabinets are active so lots of cabs may not be ready but it'll still be declared "live"

SpaceTime · 07-07-2013 10:19PM

bealtine wrote: »

An area "launched" means that ~40% of the cabinets are active so lots of cabs may not be ready but it'll still be declared "live"

It probably just refers to the aggregation node in the exchange is switched on. In theory the area could be 'live' with no cabinets

Just had a look at the BT OpenReach fibre-on-demand charges i.e. where someone wants fibre from a cabinet in a particular area directly to their home (not VDSL2).

Starts out at £700 and goes up to £1500 once-off installation charge and they will deem a certain distance beyond the cabinet / aggregation node unreasonable if the run's too messy / long.

Doesn't sound like a great product unless you're a very web-dependent business.

I can't imagine very many households would fork out those kinds of prices. Even for a lot of SOHO installations that would be pretty serious money.

marno21 · 07-07-2013 10:33PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

I think there are regular non-fibre cabinets at all or most of those locations, so I would assume it's just some planning permission issue. I doubt there'd be any logical reason for an objection as they're just sites on pavements / in grassy areas of Mount Oval and the broadband up there has been absolutely awful to date as it's quite far from Douglas exchange and the lines are very long.

I'd also assume they're all ducted as everything up there's new and underground.

I've heard a lot of houses up there can't get UPC either. For some bizarre reason Chorus didn't cable chunks of it. They were really forward-thinking as an organisation.

Same with Chorus (or Horizon as they were called before) in Kerry. Not a single cable in Kerry, MMDS feeds from Mish in Tralee, Knockanore in Listowel and there's a relay in Killarney. I wonder how UPC feel about that considering there whole customer base in Kerry is gone when MMDS is turned off

Still, Chorus' shortcuts and "cost savings" are one massive advantage for Eircom. Co. Kerry for fibre broadband would be a monopoly for them

SpaceTime · 08-07-2013 07:51AM

Yeah in Cork most areas were cabled in the Cork Multichannel TV/Cork Communications era.

I know people who were 'upgraded' to MMDS from 21 channel analogue cable when there was a minor local cable fault. They were only reconnected to cable since the UPC rebranding.

Chorus went through a long period of equating digital MMDS to cable. I would say they've long since lost most MMDS customers to Sky (and Free to air satellite)

Main driver behind cable is probably broadband now.

It's pretty incredible that they didn't cable tralee or kilarney. They're quite big places.

They even skipped most of Cork's satellite towns and are only addressing that now.

Chorus want exactly flush for capital expenditure it seems.

red_bairn · 08-07-2013 08:14AM

SpaceTime wrote: »

Yeah in Cork most areas were cabled in the Cork Multichannel TV/Cork Communications era.

I know people who were 'upgraded' to MMDS from 21 channel analogue cable when there was a minor local cable fault. They were only reconnected to cable since the UPC rebranding.

Chorus went through a long period of equating digital MMDS to cable. I would say they've long since lost most MMDS customers to Sky (and Free to air satellite)

Main driver behind cable is probably broadband now.

It's pretty incredible that they didn't cable tralee or kilarney. They're quite big places.

They even skipped most of Cork's satellite towns and are only addressing that now.

Chorus want exactly flush for capital expenditure it seems.

Chorus is dire. We have had no TV service on a few occasions. The auld pays 50 euro for <20 channels.

phog · 08-07-2013 08:31AM

SpaceTime wrote: »

The Cork Central one is weird. What does direct fed cabinets mean?

Direct feed usually means the copper cable is being fed directly to the house without going through a cab.

If you're referring to the link of exchanges posted above then I cant see anything about direct fed cabs in Cork Central - maybe I'm missing something.

SpaceTime · 08-07-2013 08:39AM

phog wrote: »

Direct feed usually means the copper cable is being fed directly to the house without going through a cab.

If you're referring to the link of exchanges posted above then I cant see anything about direct fed cabs in Cork Central - maybe I'm missing something.

That spreadsheet listed shows only 4 cabinets on Cork Central, none of which are in the city centre at all. There's a note about direct fed cabinets.

I think the city centre is entirely done underground. They're are loads of vaults in the streets at various locations. Really quite big vaults. In some cases 6 or even 8 lids in the pavement.

I'm just wondering if they can do a FTTC cabinet and do the splicing in those vaults rather than in a cabinet.

Installing cabinets in some of those locations wouldn't be too attractive looking and probably very disruptive to telephone services in the middle of a busy business district.

There's a FTTC cabinet in Douglas on the main street which is just beside a big vault like that and appears to have no corresponding PCP cabinet, so I'm guessing it can be done.

There's nothing particularly amazing about a PCP cabinet. They're just junction boxes. I would assume a similar setup is achieved using different gear in those vaults.

claytonie · 08-07-2013 07:40PM

For anyone that missed the spreadsheet as it seems to have been removed for eircom site it can be found <snip>

Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

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