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South Africa ready for ethnic cleansing when Mandela dies?

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  • #32
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    0066ad wrote: »
    I can't find any news articles from yesterday of any blacks in South Africa, killed
    by a group of white farmers, can you?

    Nope. Can't find any news articles from yesterday of any whites in South Africa, killed by a group of black farmers either.


  • #33
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    KingOfFairview wrote: »
    No, this is a bizarre fantasy entertained by racist imbeciles who wish to whip up trouble. Link to that report please

    http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html


  • #34
    KingOfFairview
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭KingOfFairview


    token101 wrote: »
    http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

    I can't see the report at that link, I do notice the article on the front page conspicuously says "alleged genocide" (inverted commas not mine)


  • #35
    JONJO THE MISER
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Hitchens wrote: »
    It has all the signs if reports from the region are to be believed.

    A white farmer murdered yesterday in front of his wife and child. The perps were a group of black men allegedly.

    Nelson's passing could be the trigger for a blood fest, hopefully not but it could happen.

    I have actually heard this from a lot of white south Africans down the years, that there will be big trouble when Mandela dies, a lot of white south Africans have been stock piling guns for the trouble ahead.


  • #36
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    KingOfFairview wrote: »
    I can't see the report at that link, I do notice the article on the front page conspicuously says "alleged genocide" (inverted commas not mine)

    I wasn't linking to any report really, just trying to point your notion that it's a "racist fantasy" is a bit daft. It's an international organisation saying there's a problem and calling it a "racist fantasy" only reinforces the idea that people are covering their ears to it.


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  • #37
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    smcgiff wrote: »
    Unlikely I'd say... It pretty much happened in Zimbabwe though.

    South Africa may be too important to the continent for it to be allowed to happen to that extent.

    Though it does look likely.


  • #38
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    token101 wrote: »
    I wasn't linking to any report really, just trying to point your notion that it's a "racist fantasy" is a bit daft. It's an international organisation saying there's a problem and calling it a "racist fantasy" only reinforces the idea that people are covering their ears to it.

    http://www.genocidewatch.org/ireland.html

    http://www.genocidewatch.org/unitedkingdom.html

    Just because there's a section on South Africa doesn't mean that it isn't a racist fantasy.


  • #39
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    I ran a course a few years ago in Dublin. A white SA guy was on it.

    A friend of mine was moving there so I asked him what it was like.

    His answer floored me. He came to Ireland because he had had a small specialist printing business in SA.

    One day the 'government' came to him and told him he had to take on (I can't remember the exact number) 1-3 black people. He said he had a full staff. 'Then fire the white ones' was the reply.

    He did as he was told before he was to have been shut down. Then shut the business before he went belly up.

    He begged to be allowed to rehire the specialist staff but was told no - those jobs were now for black SA's.

    This isn't a racist comment - just a comment about what I have heard from a white SA who owned a business.

    I've never been there and probably won't ever go but that's my 2 cent's worth.

    Oh, yes. This was during the Mandela regime period.


  • #40
    Jacovs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    seanaway wrote: »
    I ran a course a few years ago in Dublin. A white SA guy was on it.

    A friend of mine was moving there so I asked him what it was like.

    His answer floored me. He came to Ireland because he had had a small specialist printing business in SA.

    One day the 'government' came to him and told him he had to take on (I can't remember the exact number) 1-3 black people. He said he had a full staff. 'Then fire the white ones' was the reply.

    He did as he was told before he was to have been shut down. Then shut the business before he went belly up.

    He begged to be allowed to rehire the specialist staff but was told no - those jobs were now for black SA's.

    This isn't a racist comment - just a comment about what I have heard from a white SA who owned a business.

    I've never been there and probably won't ever go but that's my 2 cent's worth.

    Oh, yes. This was during the Mandela regime period.

    Thats called BBBEE, or more commonly just known as BEE.


  • #41
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    seanaway wrote: »
    I ran a course a few years ago in Dublin. A white SA guy was on it.

    A friend of mine was moving there so I asked him what it was like.

    His answer floored me. He came to Ireland because he had had a small specialist printing business in SA.

    One day the 'government' came to him and told him he had to take on (I can't remember the exact number) 1-3 black people. He said he had a full staff. 'Then fire the white ones' was the reply.

    He did as he was told before he was to have been shut down. Then shut the business before he went belly up.

    He begged to be allowed to rehire the specialist staff but was told no - those jobs were now for black SA's.

    This isn't a racist comment - just a comment about what I have heard from a white SA who owned a business.

    I've never been there and probably won't ever go but that's my 2 cent's worth.

    Oh, yes. This was during the Mandela regime period.

    Shocking. I think if it gets bad european countries should offer white south Africans asylum.


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  • #42
    Augmerson
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    Clandestine wrote: »
    White genocide is coming to South Africa, mark my words.

    Did they have it coming you think?


  • #43
    Dubl07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Dubl07


    Augmerson wrote: »
    Did they have it coming you think?

    Are you insane? That's like blaming our generation here for atrocities committed in the 60's to 70's.


  • #44
    Sgt Hartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    Augmerson wrote: »
    Did they have it coming you think?

    Moronic post

    ”If I offended you, you needed it!!” - Corey Taylor



  • #45
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    seanaway wrote: »
    I ran a course a few years ago in Dublin. A white SA guy was on it.

    A friend of mine was moving there so I asked him what it was like.

    His answer floored me. He came to Ireland because he had had a small specialist printing business in SA.

    One day the 'government' came to him and told him he had to take on (I can't remember the exact number) 1-3 black people. He said he had a full staff. 'Then fire the white ones' was the reply.

    He did as he was told before he was to have been shut down. Then shut the business before he went belly up.

    He begged to be allowed to rehire the specialist staff but was told no - those jobs were now for black SA's.

    This isn't a racist comment - just a comment about what I have heard from a white SA who owned a business.

    I've never been there and probably won't ever go but that's my 2 cent's worth.

    Oh, yes. This was during the Mandela regime period.

    To be honest I have a south african partner and all I would say is that, with some South Africans and especially the Cape Dutch, feelings get too heated to have a rational conversation about black politics. There are huge problems with governance in SA, but to to blindly take one sides word for what's going on out there is not to get an accurate account, these views are often tantamount to extreme racial bias, even from people you would expect to be quite openminded.


  • #46
    T-Maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,494 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    To be honest I have a south african partner and all I would say is that, with some South Africans and especially the Cape Dutch, feelings get too heated to have a rational conversation about black politics. There are huge problems with governance in SA, but to to blindly take one sides word for what's going on out there is not to get an accurate account, these views are often tantamount to extreme racial bias, even from people you would expect to be quite openminded.

    What is a "Cape Dutch"?

    BEE is very real. To dismiss it as racial bias is ignorant.


  • #47
    Augmerson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    Dubl07 wrote: »
    Are you insane? That's like blaming our generation here for atrocities committed in the 60's to 70's.

    I don't think they're the same, you can't compare apartheid policies with the conflict in the North. I asked the poster, who seems to think that a white genocide is a very real possibility, if he/she thought that the whites had reaped what they had sown.

    I'm fairly neutral on this whole topic by the way, but it has to be said that apartheid is to blame for a lot of South Africa's problems, regardless of what generation of people are in power. We are only ....what? 25-30 years post Apartheid? Is that a correct figure? Not sure.


  • #48
    Jacovs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Jacovs


    T-Maxx wrote: »
    What is a "Cape Dutch"?

    BEE is very real. To dismiss it as racial bias is ignorant.

    Cape Dutch, probably like myself. Dutch descendant from the Cape.
    Augmerson wrote: »
    We are only ....what? 25-30 years post Apartheid? Is that a correct figure? Not sure.
    Negotiations started 1990, offically ended with the election in 1994.
    20 years closer to the mark.


  • #49
    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    T-Maxx wrote: »
    What is a "Cape Dutch"?
    I'm using it as short hand for the long established white population of the western cape in particular, to mark them out from British expats or recent white newcomers. There is a perception that this long established white population have been particularly vulnerable to political turmoil in SA down the years.
    BEE is very real. To dismiss it as racial bias is ignorant.
    I'm not dismissing BEE at all, I think that executed properly it makes perfect sense. I don't know where you're getting this notion that I dismissed it. I just suggested that a poster reserves judgement when taking the word of one side over the other side in a very divided society, where there is strong residual racial resentment.


  • #50
    Hitchens
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    this could be the start of something very bad now, with Nelson gone


  • #51
    Nodin
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    Hitchens wrote: »
    this could be the start of something very bad now, with Nelson gone



    Yes, because previous to his death he toured the country stopping the ethnic cleansing.


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  • #52
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Hitchens wrote: »
    this could be the start of something very bad now, with Nelson gone
    Why wouldn't it have started already? He was very old and was sick for a long time.


  • #53
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Why wouldn't it have started already? He was very old and was sick for a long time.

    some would say it's already started

    he may have been the slender thread that held things together


  • #54
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Hitchens wrote: »
    some would say it's already started

    Yeah, and what a lovely bunch they usually are.


  • #55
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,181 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Hitchens wrote: »
    this could be the start of something very bad now, with Nelson gone

    They want you here :rolleyes:.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576


  • #56
    AndonHandon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭AndonHandon


    South Africa is in a raw state; while education is improving and people realise that extremism is not the answer, at the same time not everyone is educated and can be thus easily swayed by the "vote for us or go back to apartheid" propaganda.


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