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Wheres our Independence Day ??

  • 04-07-2013 09:24AM
    #1
    KTRIC
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    Given today is the Day in 1776 that the good auld US of A declared independence from the Brits I thought I'd bring up this old chestnut again !! :rolleyes:

    Two points, why is our independence from Britain such a taboo subject and how come we don't celebrate it ??


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  • #2
    Oregano_State
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭Oregano_State


    Ours was more of a process of independence, it didn't happen in one day.


  • #3
    holystungun9
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    Ahh, this is going to be the perfect start to my groundhog day. Thank you OP!


  • #4
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    KTRIC wrote: »
    Given today is the Day in 1776 that the good auld US of A declared independence from the Brits I thought I'd bring up this old chestnut again !! :rolleyes:

    Two points, why is our independence from Britain such a taboo subject and how come we don't celebrate it ??
    We seemed to be ashamed of our patriots, pathetic isn't it.


  • #5
    kneemos
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    One Paddy's day is enough.


  • #6
    bumper234
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    Is Ireland (as a nation) totally independent of the "Brits"?


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  • #7
    Mountjoy Mugger
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    Yep.


  • #8
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    We celebrate a failed rising way more then the semi successful war of independence.

    I suppose the reason may be people didn't want to be bringing up its divisive conclusion and aftermath of a civil war on an annual basis but maybe its long enough in the past that we can change that now?


  • #9
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    Because the Republic of Ireland in not an independent state as it is run from Brussels.


  • #10
    Oregano_State
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭Oregano_State


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Is Ireland (as a nation) totally independent of the "Brits"?

    It depends what you mean. Economically, no nation is independent.


  • #11
    NinjaK
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭NinjaK


    Because we are run by weak west brits who dont want to offend the Unionists even though they despise us..


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  • #12
    bumper234
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    Oregano_State wrote: »
    It depends what you mean. Economically, no nation is independent.

    As an island


  • #13
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,610 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It would be a bit antagonistic at this stage in fairness.


  • #14
    Dravokivich
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    As an island

    Funny, the Scottish don't think they need the whole island.


  • #15
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    NinjaK wrote: »
    Because we are run by weak west brits who dont want to offend the Unionists even though they despise us..

    " Drops monocle ".


  • #16
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    NinjaK wrote: »
    Because we are run by weak west brits who dont want to offend the Unionists even though they despise us..

    What is this bullsh*t supposed to mean?


  • #17
    bumper234
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Funny, the Scottish don't think they need the whole island.

    But Scotland is not an Island nation:confused:


  • #18
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    We had it and then we lost it


  • #19
    banbatoyota
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭banbatoyota


    19th Jan - First Dáil met and War of Independence began

    4th July - Truce with British Army signed

    11th July - Truce with British Army came into effect

    6th Dec - Anglo-Irish Treaty signed


    Take your pick

    But the taboo about celebrating let alone commemorating any of these is indeed nauseating.

    Heaven forbid we Irish celebrate our own heroes


  • #20
    Dravokivich
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    But Scotland is not an Island nation:confused:

    They could of been if they supported Mel Gibson when he wanted to invade England.


  • #21
    hfallada
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    Even when we got our independence we were part of the common wealth until 1937 so we werent that independent.


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  • #22
    bumper234
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    They could of been if they supported Mel Gibson when he wanted to invade England.

    What?

    Was he going to chop Scotland off from mainland Britain and let it float out to sea?:confused:


  • #23
    gobnaitolunacy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Why do we have to ape flagwaving Yanks or 'flegwaving' Unionists to prove something?

    Our nationmaking process was a lot more recent than that of the US and some painful issues still haven't gone away.


  • #24
    WindSock
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    What would the Irish in Norn Irn celebrate, if the national day was for independence? Paddy's Day is just much less hassle for everyone.


  • #25
    Paz-CCFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Paz-CCFC


    Oregano_State wrote: »
    Ours was more of a process of independence, it didn't happen in one day.

    You could say the same about the American's Independence Day. Their War of Independence continued long after the Declaration of Independence was made. I suppose our version of the declaration would be the 1916 Proclamation of the Republic.
    banbatoyota wrote: »
    19th Jan - First Dáil met and War of Independence began

    4th July - Truce with British Army signed

    11th July - Truce with British Army came into effect

    6th Dec - Anglo-Irish Treaty signed

    You could add in the 1st of July or 29th of December (1937) when Bunreacht na hÉireann was accepted by the people and then brought into force.


  • #26
    banbatoyota
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭banbatoyota


    .


  • #27
    banbatoyota
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭banbatoyota


    Paz-CCFC wrote: »
    You could say the same about the American's Independence Day. Their War of Independence continued long after the Declaration of Independence was made. I suppose our version of the declaration would be the 1916 Proclamation of the Republic.



    You could add in the 1st of July or 29th of December (1937) when Bunreacht na hÉireann was accepted by the people and then brought into force.

    Also the 18th April (1949) when the Republic of Ireland Act came into force.

    Alternatively the 21st December (1948) when it was signed into law.


  • #28
    Caliden
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    banbatoyota wrote: »
    19th Jan - First Dáil met and War of Independence began

    4th July - Truce with British Army signed

    11th July - Truce with British Army came into effect

    6th Dec - Anglo-Irish Treaty signed


    Take your pick

    But the taboo about celebrating let alone commemorating any of these is indeed nauseating.

    Heaven forbid we Irish celebrate our own heroes


    Wasn't that the whole point that a Sinn Féin TD tried to make a few months ago but was ridiculed.
    He never said the day would celebrate IRA members but people started putting words in his mouth and the whole idea was scrapped.

    Personally, I thought it was a great idea because Paddy's Day isn't a celebration of anything other than inebriation.


  • #29
    humanji
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    Caliden wrote: »
    Paddy's Day isn't a celebration of anything other than inebriation.
    And what exactly do you think is going to happen if we had an Independence Day?


  • #30
    Da Shins Kelly
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    I guess it's probably because the issues around independence in Ireland are still pretty messy, what with the North and everything, and our independence was a much more drawn out, gradual process than simply fighting and winning a war and then signing a declaration of independence. I do think we should have something to at least commemorate the birth of the Free State or something like that, if independence is still a bit contentious.


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  • #31
    gobnaitolunacy
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    humanji wrote: »
    And what exactly do you think is going to happen if we had an Independence Day?

    It'll be like Paddy's Day, with 50% extra Wolfe Tones choons.


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