Clare GAA discussion thread

Hidalgo · 01-07-2013 07:41PM

Times have been decided for the games next Saturday In Cusack Park
Clare V Laois hurling @3p.m
@5p.m

InchicoreDude · 02-07-2013 11:13AM

I think this bunch of Clare hurlers are very very talented.

However, I suspect that their attitude may not be the best. I think they may have believed they were the best team in Munster this year before they actually went out and became the best team. That is always a recipe for disaster.
Maybe I am being harsh on them. But I didnt think their attitude was up to scratch in the Cork game. Maybe the defeat will give them the kick they need.

Clareman · 02-07-2013 11:35AM

Double header is a great idea, hopefully the crowd will stay on for the football. Lions match at 11 at home, up town for lunch, over to the Park for 5 hours, then for a few pints, sounds like an ideal Saturday to me, now to find a babysitter.

In regards the hurlers, apparently there was a big meeting between Fitzy and the team after the Cork match where the players were told the system was fine that they weren't implementing it that they'll have to keep at it cause it's revolutionary.

Mountainlad · 02-07-2013 12:04PM

Clareman wrote: »

Double header is a great idea, hopefully the crowd will stay on for the football. Lions match at 11 at home, up town for lunch, over to the Park for 5 hours, then for a few pints, sounds like an ideal Saturday to me, now to find a babysitter.

In regards the hurlers, apparently there was a big meeting between Fitzy and the team after the Cork match where the players were told the system was fine that they weren't implementing it that they'll have to keep at it cause it's revolutionary.

Dear lord, was that word actually used or is that just sarcasm? Unbelievable if it actually was

Clareman · 02-07-2013 12:14PM

Mountainlad wrote: »

Dear lord, was that word actually used or is that just sarcasm? Unbelievable if it actually was

I've heard the same story from 2 people who were there and a couple of others who heard from other sources and the same word was used by all

premierstone · 02-07-2013 12:27PM

Clareman wrote: »

Double header is a great idea, hopefully the crowd will stay on for the football. Lions match at 11 at home, up town for lunch, over to the Park for 5 hours, then for a few pints, sounds like an ideal Saturday to me, now to find a babysitter.

In regards the hurlers, apparently there was a big meeting between Fitzy and the team after the Cork match where the players were told the system was fine that they weren't implementing it that they'll have to keep at it cause it's revolutionary.

And ye were worried that Davy was stubborn and pig headed :rolleyes: lol

Hidalgo · 02-07-2013 01:54PM

Clareman wrote: »

Double header is a great idea, hopefully the crowd will stay on for the football. Lions match at 11 at home, up town for lunch, over to the Park for 5 hours, then for a few pints, sounds like an ideal Saturday to me, now to find a babysitter.

In regards the hurlers, apparently there was a big meeting between Fitzy and the team after the Cork match where the players were told the system was fine that they weren't implementing it that they'll have to keep at it cause it's revolutionary.

Read the first part of your post and thought, yep grand plan for next Sat, then I read the 2nd part and dear God is all I can say.

The system will actually work fine V Laois if they set out as they did V Galway, plenty of men behind the ball with only the bare minimum up front. This will allow Clare to pass the ball around at will around the back as they'll have plenty men to do so. Cue Davy being 'justified'

Hidalgo · 02-07-2013 01:57PM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

I think this bunch of Clare hurlers are very very talented.

However, I suspect that their attitude may not be the best. I think they may have believed they were the best team in Munster this year before they actually went out and became the best team. That is always a recipe for disaster.
Maybe I am being harsh on them. But I didnt think their attitude was up to scratch in the Cork game. Maybe the defeat will give them the kick they need.

Don't think so. I think Tipp would have been seen as top dogs, with all the others on a par able to beat each other on any given day.

A probel we are having consistently is flatness. We don't appear to be up for games until well into the game. Not bringing enough intensity and aggression to the party

InchicoreDude · 02-07-2013 02:04PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

Don't think so. I think Tipp would have been seen as top dogs, with all the others on a par able to beat each other on any given day.

A probel we are having consistently is flatness. We don't appear to be up for games until well into the game. Not bringing enough intensity and aggression to the party

Yeah, sorry. I meant once Tipp were knocked out, I think Clare may have thought Munster was 'easy'. A lot of those players would be used to beating those counties at underage and automatically assumed they would do so this year at senior. But I could be wrong. Most people posting on here know more about Clare than me.

Hidalgo · 02-07-2013 02:37PM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Yeah, sorry. I meant once Tipp were knocked out, I think Clare may have thought Munster was 'easy'. A lot of those players would be used to beating those counties at underage and automatically assumed they would do so this year at senior. But I could be wrong. Most people posting on here know more about Clare than me.

I can't say whether over confidence was an issue for the Cork game, maybe it was part of the reason we underperformed, maybe we weren't tuned in properly.

I would agree that once Tipp got knocked out, there was a feeling in the county that a Munster title was a strong possibility. I'd wager all 3 remaining counties at the time thought the same, Cork, Clare and Limerick.

These young lads should be confident when they go out to play, they shoudn't have any fear factor as they've competed and beaten a lot of these teams underage.

Now of course the step up from minor and U21 to senior is huge, but there shouldn't be an inferiority complex anyway.

A fine line I guess between confidence and overconfidence.

sasol · 02-07-2013 03:42PM

Clareman wrote: »

In regards the hurlers, apparently there was a big meeting between Fitzy and the team after the Cork match where the players were told the system was fine that they weren't implementing it that they'll have to keep at it cause it's revolutionary.

Were these people you were talking to, buying into the 'revolutionary' theory ? Or have some of them started to see the light ?

Clareman · 02-07-2013 07:16PM

The majority of this team have beaten all the other teams in Munster consistently (at underage) and wouldn't have any fear of any of the teams, I would like to think that the team would honestly believe that they could beat any other team on any day.

Thinkstoomuch · 02-07-2013 07:35PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

I can't say whether over confidence was an issue for the Cork game, maybe it was part of the reason we underperformed, maybe we weren't tuned in properly.

I would agree that once Tipp got knocked out, there was a feeling in the county that a Munster title was a strong possibility. I'd wager all 3 remaining counties at the time thought the same, Cork, Clare and Limerick.

These young lads should be confident when they go out to play, they shoudn't have any fear factor as they've competed and beaten a lot of these teams underage.

Now of course the step up from minor and U21 to senior is huge, but there shouldn't be an inferiority complex anyway.

A fine line I guess between confidence and overconfidence.

Id say overtaining played a huge part too.All the heavy going during the league was bound to catch up with them.
Christy O Connor said sunday after the waterford game they trained for 4'days in a row in a heatwave.

They cancelled a fitness test but had a gym session instead.He said after they played a A V B game in the gaelic grounds the week before the Cork game the standard was meant to have been awful and one of the Clare players said he felt wrecked both physically and mentally.

He made a good point in that two of Clares best players against Cork,Dillion and Honan had missed most of the league campign but were much fresher.
He said Clare had a lot of turnovers and were a sign this team is mentally jaded.

I think he made some valid points.If thats the case then Davy needs to realise hes mistakes and lighten the work load on them now they have extra games in the qualifers.

They looked a tired team against Limerick last year ,he would surely have learned hes lessons.But then again Davy wont admit hes wrong Its fine to be bullish at times but hes weakeness is he does not know when he is wrong.Every manager makes mistakes,the good ones learn and move on but the bad ones just keep making the same errors over and over again.

I stilk think the way the draw has worked out Clare will still be in with a good chance of a semi final.

They should beat Laois even though Laois have improved.But better teams than Laois have been undone in Ennis before.

A probable draw with wexford then is certainly winnable as they cant play Waterford again.

A quaterfinal then against Dublin or Galway or Limerick as they cant meet Cork again.

Clare could certainly beat Dublin or Limerick on their day.

If i were a clare fan id be hoping Galway win as Dublin style would suit clare.

I dont think Clare are in as bad as place as people are saying The way the other games have worked out they seem to be in a better place compared to others.

If Cork loose the Munster final and other games go to form their is a chance we could have to play KK or Tipp unless waterford pull a suprise in a quater final.

Yes not being in a munster final is a big set back but Davy seems to have got as best possible draw as he could have wished for in Laois and then Wexford in the next two qualifers.

Clareman · 02-07-2013 09:03PM

sasol wrote: »

Were these people you were talking to, buying into the 'revolutionary' theory ? Or have some of them started to see the light ?

Don't worry, the players have no problem in seeing what's happening.

Hidalgo · 02-07-2013 09:19PM

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Id say overtaining played a huge part too.All the heavy going during the league was bound to catch up with them.
Christy O Connor said sunday after the waterford game they trained for 4'days in a row in a heatwave.

They cancelled a fitness test but had a gym session instead.He said after they played a A V B game in the gaelic grounds the week before the Cork game the standard was meant to have been awful and one of the Clare players said he felt wrecked both physically and mentally.

He made a good point in that two of Clares best players against Cork,Dillion and Honan had missed most of the league campign but were much fresher.
He said Clare had a lot of turnovers and were a sign this team is mentally jaded.

I think he made some valid points.If thats the case then Davy needs to realise hes mistakes and lighten the work load on them now they have extra games in the qualifers.

They looked a tired team against Limerick last year ,he would surely have learned hes lessons.But then again Davy wont admit hes wrong Its fine to be bullish at times but hes weakeness is he does not know when he is wrong.Every manager makes mistakes,the good ones learn and move on but the bad ones just keep making the same errors over and over again.

I stilk think the way the draw has worked out Clare will still be in with a good chance of a semi final.

They should beat Laois even though Laois have improved.But better teams than Laois have been undone in Ennis before.

A probable draw with wexford then is certainly winnable as they cant play Waterford again.

A quaterfinal then against Dublin or Galway or Limerick as they cant meet Cork again.

Clare could certainly beat Dublin or Limerick on their day.

If i were a clare fan id be hoping Galway win as Dublin style would suit clare.

I dont think Clare are in as bad as place as people are saying The way the other games have worked out they seem to be in a better place compared to others.

If Cork loose the Munster final and other games go to form their is a chance we could have to play KK or Tipp unless waterford pull a suprise in a quater final.

Yes not being in a munster final is a big set back but Davy seems to have got as best possible draw as he could have wished for in Laois and then Wexford in the next two qualifers.

Interesting points on the overtraining arguement.

I actually thought that they were going to time it well for championship. They eased back on training after the relegation final which I was happy about, but it seems they tried to squeeze too much in coming close to championship.

Even before he got the Clare job, Davy always struck me as someone who managed in training hard mentality but not necessarily train smart. The more sessions the better rather than the quality of those sessions.

Hidalgo · 02-07-2013 09:25PM

Clareman wrote: »

Don't worry, the players have no problem in seeing what's happening.

Out of curiousity, the people that tole you about the revolutionary system, were they pro or anti the great and glorious revolution.

Thinkstoomuch · 02-07-2013 10:00PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

Interesting points on the overtraining arguement.

I actually thought that they were going to time it well for championship. They eased back on training after the relegation final which I was happy about, but it seems they tried to squeeze too much in coming close to championship.

Even before he got the Clare job, Davy always struck me as someone who managed in training hard mentality but not necessarily train smart. The more sessions the better rather than the quality of those sessions.

yeah i thought they were and the fact Christy said it i believe it.It was a good article and not overly loaded with stats.

I would have posted it here for ye, but it was in the Sunday Times and their GAA is restricted online.

Hidalgo · 02-07-2013 10:21PM

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

yeah i thought they were and the fact Christy said it i believe it.It was a good article and not overly loaded with stats.

I would have posted it here for ye, but it was in the Sunday Times and their GAA is restricted online.

I did hear from one panel member the week after the game that he felt dead in his legs the week before the Cork game which kind of adds credence to Christy's article.
Then gain had they won, training would have been timed to perfection, but thats the nature of the game and its up to management to get these things right.

Thinkstoomuch · 02-07-2013 10:44PM

Hidalgo wrote: »

I did hear from one panel member the week after the game that he felt dead in his legs the week before the Cork game which kind of adds credence to Christy's article.
Then gain had they won, training would have been timed to perfection, but thats the nature of the game and its up to management to get these things right.

yeah overtraining is often worse to been undertrained.At least if your under trained to a certain degree the adrenanline etc and crowd may get over the line but if your just burned out it is bound to make you mentally shattered also which means crowd or ardenline is really like water off a ducks back.

I remember Brian Cocoran saying after the 2005 all ireland final,one of the key performance indicators he checked every morning first thing was hes resting heart rate.

On the Wednesday it was slightly up.He knew he needed to not overdo it in training but also in hes nornmal life.And plenty of rest was the key.All the training was done in the winter so no training in the week of the final waw going to have any major benfit.He took it easy even at work for the next two days.He works in an office Job,but still he knew rest whenever he could.

The friday before he checked it again.It was fine and back to normal.

It was just to keep loose.I was at 3 of those sessions in the month up to the final and the sessions were all about touch more than anything.

Rest and Recovery is just as important as fitness and Davy needs to realise they go in tandem,like anything in life,its about balance.

Too much or too little of one thing is no good.
Larry tompkins tried the same with the Cork footballers.Running up and down the hills in Macroom.Not just in winter but in the middle of championship.
Cork were the fittest team around but were poor footballers.It took the CCB seven years to realise hes training was not alone going to win Cork the all ireland.John Cleary done the same with the U21s down in Gougen Barra in January.

The difference was he done it in winter,once the season started hes training was purely football.

I geuinely hope it doesnt take Davy anything close to that time to realise that extreme training is not going to win an allireland.

It is about freshness as well.

keeponhurling · 03-07-2013 02:43AM

Lots of negative reaction to the Cork defeat, questioning Davy and so on.
We need to support the team, and I'm happy to give Davy his 3 years and judge then.

Firstly, Cork are a good team and in the 2nd half it seemed everything they hit went over the bar.
But they didn't really get a sniff of goal all day.

Secondly, although it wasn't our best day, we had 5 clear goal chances. The Cork goalie won man of the match FFS. McGrath, Collins, Honan all put good goal chances wide, not typical of them in fairness.

Plus Conlon who is a leader type figure went off injured early, which didn't help.

The main problem for me was that forwards weren't taking their points, they were overplaying the ball. Even in the very first minute, with the win, Honan had a glimpse of the posts but he didn't shoot for some reason, prefered to lay it off which led to nothing.
I can understand the logic of backs passing it out of defence, and delivering better ball into the forwards.
But inter-county forwards not taking a shot within 50 years doesn't make sense.
Something to work on.

Btw, about Tony Kelly going for goal from short frees. He had one against Waterford and two against Cork.
The one against Waterford resulted in ODonnell's goal, whereas one against Cork resulted in a 65 which was pointed.
So arguably 1-1 resulted from those 3 frees.

Laois won't be easy on Saturday, but a good performance and a win would put us in good shape for the next round.
When was the last time we won two championship games in the same year?

audman · 03-07-2013 02:49AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Lots of negative reaction to the Cork defeat, questioning Davy and so on.
We need to support the team, and I'm happy to give Davy his 3 years and judge then.

Firstly, Cork are a good team and in the 2nd half it seemed everything they hit went over the bar.
But they didn't really get a sniff of goal all day.

Secondly, although it wasn't our best day, we had 5 clear goal chances. The Cork goalie won man of the match FFS. McGrath, Collins, Honan all put good goal chances wide, not typical of them in fairness.

Plus Conlon who is a leader type figure went off injured early, which didn't help.

The main problem for me was that forwards weren't taking their points, they were overplaying the ball. Even in the very first minute, with the win, Honan had a glimpse of the posts but he didn't shoot for some reason, prefered to lay it off which led to nothing.
I can understand the logic of backs passing it out of defence, and delivering better ball into the forwards.
But inter-county forwards not taking a shot within 50 years doesn't make sense.
Something to work on.

Btw, about Tony Kelly going for goal from short frees. He had one against Waterford and two against Cork.
The one against Waterford resulted in ODonnell's goal, whereas one against Cork resulted in a 65 which was pointed.
So arguably 1-1 resulted from those 3 frees.

Laois won't be easy on Saturday, but a good performance and a win would put us in good shape for the next round.
When was the last time we won two championship games in the same year?

Well said 'keeponhurling', well said! May Clare keep on hurling too. Up the banner, go on ya boy ya, etc...
I couldn't agree with you more with regards Davey being given his chance. I bumped in to him on the street in Ennis on Wednesday and just said a quick 'good luck' ahead of the clash against Laois. The look of passion and intent in his eyes as he casually thanked me said it all for me. This man means business, Clare mean business and we're working overtime lads! Roll on a September championship fixture in this year or the next few, roll it all the way on!!!!!

sasol · 03-07-2013 07:32AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Lots of negative reaction to the Cork defeat, questioning Davy and so on.
We need to support the team, and I'm happy to give Davy his 3 years and judge then.

Firstly, Cork are a good team and in the 2nd half it seemed everything they hit went over the bar.
But they didn't really get a sniff of goal all day.

Secondly, although it wasn't our best day, we had 5 clear goal chances. The Cork goalie won man of the match FFS. McGrath, Collins, Honan all put good goal chances wide, not typical of them in fairness.

Plus Conlon who is a leader type figure went off injured early, which didn't help.

The main problem for me was that forwards weren't taking their points, they were overplaying the ball. Even in the very first minute, with the win, Honan had a glimpse of the posts but he didn't shoot for some reason, prefered to lay it off which led to nothing.
I can understand the logic of backs passing it out of defence, and delivering better ball into the forwards.
But inter-county forwards not taking a shot within 50 years doesn't make sense.
Something to work on.

Btw, about Tony Kelly going for goal from short frees. He had one against Waterford and two against Cork.
The one against Waterford resulted in ODonnell's goal, whereas one against Cork resulted in a 65 which was pointed.
So arguably 1-1 resulted from those 3 frees.

Laois won't be easy on Saturday, but a good performance and a win would put us in good shape for the next round.
When was the last time we won two championship games in the same year?

Harnedy won man of the match, not Nash.

The negativity is not as a result of one game , it is a cumulation of poor tactics, questionable team selections and poor hurling over a number if games amongst other things.

You will not meet a more passionate hurling man than Davy. There is no doubt about that. He truly puts everything he has, into it. And nobody will ever forget his outstanding contributions to Clare hurling in the 90's. however this doesn't automatically make you an intercounty manager/coach.

You ask about lads overplaying the ball - they are doing this because that's what they are instructed to do. This is part of the 'revolutionary' plan.

You can understand the logic of playing the short ball out of defense? I don't. Any chance you would explain it to me? It is hurling suicide. It cost us at least 4 pts against Cork and at least 1-1 against Waterford.

As someone said, we are probably the countries fastest hurling team, playing the slowest brand of hurling.

After the massive massive effort that these hurlers have put in, it will not take much for more of them to walk.

Something needs to change. But Davy is not for changing.

keeponhurling · 03-07-2013 07:48AM

Hi there,

some fair points there.
I thought Nash won Sunday Game man of the match, at least I remember them praising him on it. Anyways, MotM award or not, he played very well and made some great stops, as well as chipping in with 2 points.

Logic of playing the ball out from the back is that better ball can eventually be fed into the forward line, who are on the whole not ball winners.
The backs never hit a desperate clearance while facing their own goal.

I do understand why it p!sses so many people off though, as you say it led to the Waterford goal, and a few times Cork were gifted easy points.
I was tearing my hair out too. I'm not sure if it is the best tactic, and it has its risks, but it does have its merits.

One thing, even if you think the tactic is flawed, a couple of the stray handpasses v Cork were simply awful, if you saw it in an U16s game you'd be annoyed. I wouldn't blame the tactics 100% for those points conceded, lads need to be able to handpass accurately to a men nearby who is in space.

Anyways, I wouldn't give up hope for the rest of the season.

Here's hoping for a bit of confidence restored v Laois, who are on a bit of a high

InchicoreDude · 03-07-2013 09:02AM

Secondly, although it wasn't our best day, we had 5 clear goal chances. The Cork goalie won man of the match FFS. McGrath, Collins, Honan all put good goal chances wide, not typical of them in fairness.

How is that a valid excuse? If they were good enough, they would have scored those goal chances.

Cork goalie having a great game or players narrowly missing should never be offered as validation for a defeat!

sasol · 03-07-2013 09:51AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Hi there,

some fair points there.
I thought Nash won Sunday Game man of the match, at least I remember them praising him on it. Anyways, MotM award or not, he played very well and made some great stops, as well as chipping in with 2 points.

Logic of playing the ball out from the back is that better ball can eventually be fed into the forward line, who are on the whole not ball winners.
The backs never hit a desperate clearance while facing their own goal.

I do understand why it p!sses so many people off though, as you say it led to the Waterford goal, and a few times Cork were gifted easy points.
I was tearing my hair out too. I'm not sure if it is the best tactic, and it has its risks, but it does have its merits.

One thing, even if you think the tactic is flawed, a couple of the stray handpasses v Cork were simply awful, if you saw it in an U16s game you'd be annoyed. I wouldn't blame the tactics 100% for those points conceded, lads need to be able to handpass accurately to a men nearby who is in space.

Anyways, I wouldn't give up hope for the rest of the season.

Here's hoping for a bit of confidence restored v Laois, who are on a bit of a high

Maybe it was TV3 that gave Harnedy man of the match - I watched the game again after I got home from it and i def saw Harnedy given the award. But as you said, it does not matter a whole lot - Nash did have a good game. Kearney at midifled is another who would have been on the motm shortlist.

I think the key word you mention about playing the short ball out of the backs is it "eventually" reaching the forwards. We have very fast forwards, we should be playing an intelligent, fast direct ball into the forwards just like the U-21's did last year in the All Ire final. In the first 20 minutes against Cork we did this and Honan had McDonnell in all sorts of trouble. Then we stopped. Slowing the ball down gives the opposition to regroup and sit back and just wait for the short game to break down before pouncing and taking advantage of it (which happened countless times against Cork).

No the backs did not hit any desperate clearances - they just ran into dead ends and handpassed the ball to the opposition instead. Sometimes as a back you just have to get the ball out of the danger zone at all costs. IMO the risks of the short ball far outway any merits it may have.

On stray handpasses - they are doing this because that is what they have been told to do. They have even been told they will be taken off if they do not do it. If a game plan like this is been forced on them and it is not coached properly, then management have to take responsibility. Management also have to take responsibility for the game plan and calling it "revolutionary". They should let the lads go out and use their initiative and instinct.

Another thing management have to take responsibility for is having the players fresh. Clare were not fresh against Cork. They trained 4 times in the weekend before the game. They look heavy legged and tired against Cork. The more the game went on, the more Clare were going to loose by.

Management also have to take responsibility for the touch. Some of the Clare first touch was awful. Its all well and good running around a field like a lunatic in December/January to get fit. But my opinion is that once the evenings brighten up, all training should be done with a hurley and sliotar in hand - Clare certainly did not look like this was the case.

Heres hoping against Laois. My fear is that a big win will be used to vindicate all of above and the problems will remain and be exposed until the next time we meet a strong team. All management have flaws, it is managements ability and willingness to learn from those flaws which is important. I am not confident that our management will.

Hidalgo · 03-07-2013 10:04AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Lots of negative reaction to the Cork defeat, questioning Davy and so on.
We need to support the team, and I'm happy to give Davy his 3 years and judge then.

Firstly, Cork are a good team and in the 2nd half it seemed everything they hit went over the bar.
But they didn't really get a sniff of goal all day.

Secondly, although it wasn't our best day, we had 5 clear goal chances. The Cork goalie won man of the match FFS. McGrath, Collins, Honan all put good goal chances wide, not typical of them in fairness.

Plus Conlon who is a leader type figure went off injured early, which didn't help.

The main problem for me was that forwards weren't taking their points, they were overplaying the ball. Even in the very first minute, with the win, Honan had a glimpse of the posts but he didn't shoot for some reason, prefered to lay it off which led to nothing.
I can understand the logic of backs passing it out of defence, and delivering better ball into the forwards.
But inter-county forwards not taking a shot within 50 years doesn't make sense.
Something to work on.

Btw, about Tony Kelly going for goal from short frees. He had one against Waterford and two against Cork.
The one against Waterford resulted in ODonnell's goal, whereas one against Cork resulted in a 65 which was pointed.
So arguably 1-1 resulted from those 3 frees.

Laois won't be easy on Saturday, but a good performance and a win would put us in good shape for the next round.
When was the last time we won two championship games in the same year?

1. Overplaying the ball is an integral part of the gameplan. Davy has always been a coach who wants his players to pass the ball into a position where the score is a dead cert. All fine, but in IC hurling there isn't that type of time to create the perfect shooting opportunity every single time.
2. I agree there's no point in lumping ball aimlessly, but handpassing for the sake of it makes no more sense. If a back is coming out with the ball, has a few yards in front of him to view the ground in front of him, he should strike the ball into space, not give a 5 yard handpass to a teammate.
The way we're delaying the delivery is playing into opposition hands. It allows them time to funell back and cut out any space.

Some, myself included, were 'nervous' to put it mildly about Davy's appointment from day 1. Watching him in club and colleges management at times wouldn't fill you with confidence, let alone inter-county.

Hidalgo · 03-07-2013 10:06AM

audman wrote: »

Well said 'keeponhurling', well said! May Clare keep on hurling too. Up the banner, go on ya boy ya, etc...
I couldn't agree with you more with regards Davey being given his chance. I bumped in to him on the street in Ennis on Wednesday and just said a quick 'good luck' ahead of the clash against Laois. The look of passion and intent in his eyes as he casually thanked me said it all for me. This man means business, Clare mean business and we're working overtime lads! Roll on a September championship fixture in this year or the next few, roll it all the way on!!!!!

Just because a man is passionate about hurling shouldn't qualify him for the job. Plenty lads like that that I wouldn't put in charge of a Junior B team yet its trotted out repeatedly about Davy.
If he was a bit calmer rather than roaring at refs and linesmen he might be able to see whats developing on the field.

Hidalgo · 03-07-2013 10:12AM

InchicoreDude wrote: »

How is that a valid excuse? If they were good enough, they would have scored those goal chances.

Cork goalie having a great game or players narrowly missing should never be offered as validation for a defeat!

Shoulda woulda coulda.

We should have banged in goals but as you point out, the fact of the matter is we didn't.
Likewise V Warterford, if Waterford had taken their chances, they would have been out of sight by the time Clare kicked into gear, but they didn't and it cost them.

Only positive re goal chances is that at least we created them for a change, something we struggled to do throughout the league. Creation to conversion is the next issue though.

Thinkstoomuch · 03-07-2013 11:19AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Lots of negative reaction to the Cork defeat, questioning Davy and so on.
We need to support the team, and I'm happy to give Davy his 3 years and judge then.

Firstly, Cork are a good team and in the 2nd half it seemed everything they hit went over the bar.
But they didn't really get a sniff of goal all day.

Secondly, although it wasn't our best day, we had 5 clear goal chances. The Cork goalie won man of the match FFS. McGrath, Collins, Honan all put good goal chances wide, not typical of them in fairness.

Plus Conlon who is a leader type figure went off injured early, which didn't help.

The main problem for me was that forwards weren't taking their points, they were overplaying the ball. Even in the very first minute, with the win, Honan had a glimpse of the posts but he didn't shoot for some reason, prefered to lay it off which led to nothing.
I can understand the logic of backs passing it out of defence, and delivering better ball into the forwards.
But inter-county forwards not taking a shot within 50 years doesn't make sense.
Something to work on.

Btw, about Tony Kelly going for goal from short frees. He had one against Waterford and two against Cork.
The one against Waterford resulted in ODonnell's goal, whereas one against Cork resulted in a 65 which was pointed.
So arguably 1-1 resulted from those 3 frees.

Laois won't be easy on Saturday, but a good performance and a win would put us in good shape for the next round.
When was the last time we won two championship games in the same year?

No dissrespect meant but im beginning to find all the clare talk about goal chances amusing.Last week people said it was three and now 5 clear goal chances.

Their was no way near that many.Just cause a player goes for goal doesnt mean its a clear goal chance.Tony kellys miss from a free was never on in all honesty.That is not a goal chance.Nash was always going to save them from that distance.Thats hes bread and butter.

2 more shots flew wide past nash as they were trying to keep the ball as far away from him as possible.He would have saved them.

Clare done well to get one goal in march against Cork but got nothing in the playoff.

All this talk about 3,4 and 5'goals is just madness.

Clare gifted Cork some scores but Egan

Joyce and Kenny gave Clare 3 handy scores.
All this talk about talk about goals and Clare missing Conlon is getting away from the fact that Cork should have been beaten considering the fact we were so depletee.Cork beat Clare off the field in the end and only at full back did we struggle.If Honan had got ball in the second half he could have finished with seven or 8 points.

In all other aera Clare were second best.Clare are better than that and the reasons why they were so off the pace needs to be looked at.They can regroup but they need to accept they were beaten by a very depleted Cork squad without its captain and not get lost in the idea they could have won with Conlon or all these goal chances that seem to have been dead cert.Otherwise their not looking at the real problems why they lost.

Hidalgo · 03-07-2013 11:29AM

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

No dissrespect meant but im beginning to find all the clare talk about goal chances amusing.Last week people said it was three and now 5 clear goal chances.

Their was no way near that many.Just cause a player goes for goal doesnt mean its a clear goal chance.Tony kellys miss from a free was never on in all honesty.That is not a goal chance.Nash was always going to save them from that distance.Thats hes bread and butter.

2 more shots flew wide past nash as they were trying to keep the ball as far away from him as possible.He would have saved them.

Clare done well to get one goal in march against Cork but got nothing in the playoff.

All this talk about 3,4 and 5'goals is just madness.

Clare gifted Cork some scores but Egan

Joyce and Kenny gave Clare 3 handy scores.
All this talk about talk about goals and Clare missing Conlon is getting away from the fact that Cork should have been beaten considering the fact we were so depletee.Cork beat Clare off the field in the end and only at full back did we struggle.If Honan had got ball in the second half he could have finished with seven or 8 points.

In all other aera Clare were second best.Clare are better than that and the reasons why they were so off the pace needs to be looked at.They can regroup but they need to accept they were beaten by a very depleted Cork squad without its captain and not get lost in the idea they could have won with Conlon or all these goal chances that seem to have been dead cert.Otherwise their not looking at the real problems why they lost.

We created 2 clear goal chances in the 1st half, one from Honan which went wide and one from Paudge Collins which went wide. McGrath had a very good chance early in the 2nd. The likes of Tony Kelly's free and Moreys shot near the end weren't clear chances by any means, Morey's effort was bread and butter for Nash, it takes a lot better to beat someone of his calibre.

The only area we did well was in out FB line. The fact that our keeper didn't have to make a save shows that they did well.
Galvin did well in the 1st half but like Honan faded as the game wore on. Cork dominated our HB line, a recurring theme for us, and the Cork HB was well on top. Those 2 areas are Clare's biggest problems imo.
The fact that our FB line didn't get wiped considering how porous our HB line was was a relief or the score could have been way worse.

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