Is blindsiding someone acceptable?

anncoates · 02-07-2013 08:35PM

If you're going round picking on people that don't want to fight like that, you pretty much forfeit your right to a fair fight.

Seedy Arling · 02-07-2013 08:36PM

Was the fcuking arsehole expecting to not be hit? More of a dick if he didnt expect a thump!

MagicMarker · 02-07-2013 08:37PM

They're all pretty much gob****es in that video.

If I'm being started on and I'm outnumbered or the other guy has a weapon then I will use whatever means necessary to protect myself, if that means fighting dirty then so be it.

In the situation in the OP it looks like yer man in grey is with the other guy in dark grey, 2 to 1, there's no need to blindside someone in that situation, it's unnecessary and it's basically just being a pussy. If you don't like what you're seeing then square up to him and tell him to **** off, if he doesn't then you can do what you need to do safe in the knowledge that you have the upper hand.

Ciaran_B · 02-07-2013 08:39PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Everyone in that video is a knob.

There's a guy trying to but the boot in when the bully is on the ground. Some other people stop him - they're not knobs.

dmc17 · 02-07-2013 08:48PM

Good enough for the fool!

Nabber · 02-07-2013 09:17PM

Who was being bullied. The gay guy backs off with the peace sign. Then the attacker gets blind sided. So the gay guy kicks him when the guy is down on the ground.

I would have blindside that whimp for kicking him.

Zen65 · 02-07-2013 09:22PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

He got what he deserved. That sort of punch is warranted in this situation, ultimately it stopped the situation escalating further

I have to disagree. The drunkard was being disorderly, but not so aggressive that he was likely to cause serious injury. When he hit the guy in the black T-shirt at 00:25 it was nothing more than a jab and did not result in serious injury (maybe a black eye the next day). He did not attempt a second punch on the same guy.

The knock-out punch was, however, delivered with near-lethal force, which was disproportionate to the nuisance being caused and was itself an unwarranted escalation. It was the kind of blow which could result in instant death, which this muppetry did not deserve.

In a situation where the aggressor was not likely to cause serious harm, but was simply being a dick, avoidance or de-escalation is the best option. Confrontation of any sort will escalate the situation, which might then result in harm to the would-be hero.

In a society that thinks of "Chuck Norris" as a role model, this kind of behaviour might win a whoop of appreciation from the crowd, but it is loutish. The real Chuck Norris would not condone it.

Z

FTA69 · 02-07-2013 09:23PM

He is an egotistical bully with delusions of being a bit of a boxer who slaps a gay man and antagonises some other poor bastard who clearly just wants a peaceful night. I hate people like this. I did club doors for years and nothing wound me up more than twats like your man. If you introduce violence into a situation then you need to be prepared for the fact you may well be on the receiving end of some of it. Blind-side or no, the twat who got punched was the one who started everything and the situation was entirely of his creation. Tough sh*t for him.

As Tyson Fury says, "if you go swimming you're going to get wet."

Zen65 · 02-07-2013 09:26PM

Nabber wrote: »

Who was being bullied. The gay guy backs off with the peace sign. Then the attacker gets blind sided. So the gay guy kicks him when the guy is down on the ground.

And his sexual orientation is relevant here because . . . ?

Z

FTA69 · 02-07-2013 09:28PM

Zen65 wrote: »

I have to disagree. The drunkard was being disorderly, but not so aggressive that he was likely to cause serious injury. When he hit the guy in the black T-shirt at 00:25 it was nothing more than a jab and did not result in serious injury (maybe a black eye the next day). He did not attempt a second punch on the same guy.

Punch someone in the face (in this case a defenseless camp man) for no reason other than to impress your mates or to throw your weight around then you deserve a hiding. End of story like.

The knock-out punch was, however, delivered with near-lethal force, which was disproportionate to the nuisance being caused and was itself an unwarranted escalation. It was the kind of blow which could result in instant death, which this muppetry did not deserve.

It was more where he hit your man that caused the knock out, he banged him right in the jaw. The punch itself was nothing spectacular.

In a situation where the aggressor was not likely to cause serious harm, but was simply being a dick, avoidance or de-escalation is the best option.

Maybe, but in my experience of dealing with these the person who starts throwing slaps (of any variety) needs to be dealt with immediately or else an escalation is pretty much guaranteed. Fights are often like fires and spread very quickly.

In a society that thinks of "Chuck Norris" as a role model, this kind of behaviour might win a whoop of appreciation from the crowd, but it is loutish.

I do agree here to be honest. I'd say the fella who through the punch was more interested in a free dig than defending the people being assaulted.

P. Breathnach · 02-07-2013 09:38PM

Blay wrote: »

It's a cowards way out no matter which way you cut it, if someone stood up and got beaten down I'd think more of them than someone who blindsided another guy.

Imagine I see somebody attacking a person who is trying not to get drawn into a fight (perhaps because he has no great ability to deal with the bully). Imagine further that I would like to defend the innocent party. Take my word for it that I have no talent for fisticuffs. So I should step in, put up my fists, and get the crap beaten out of me to satisfy your idea of honourable behaviour?

No way. I don't want your respect if that is what I have to do to earn it.

Greenmachine · 02-07-2013 09:50PM

Got what he deserved. He was literally asking for it. How many other people would he have punch if somebody didn't put a stop to it.

Zen65 · 02-07-2013 09:52PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I'd say the fella who through the punch was more interested in a free dig than defending the people being assaulted.

+1 to this.

(However I find the reference to the sexual orientation of the guy who was punched in the face to be unhelpfu . . . . oh wait, this is After Hours!)

Incidentally, the aggressor here did not 'get a hiding' - he was knocked out with one punch. That punch was delivered with substantial force - it was a "haymaker" round swing with the puncher moving forward at the time to increase the transfer of momentum (and as a karate instructor I know when a punch is thrown hard). The fall to the ground could result in a fatal head injury in that instance.

I'd have had no problem if he just 'got a hiding' and had to run away.

Z

Witcher · 02-07-2013 10:23PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Imagine I see somebody attacking a person who is trying not to get drawn into a fight (perhaps because he has no great ability to deal with the bully). Imagine further that I would like to defend the innocent party. Take my word for it that I have no talent for fisticuffs. So I should step in, put up my fists, and get the crap beaten out of me to satisfy your idea of honourable behaviour?

No way. I don't want your respect if that is what I have to do to earn it.

They would have earned a whallop in that situation, hitting someone from behind might solve it but it would be cheap, if you can live with that it's fine. Once you're fine with it fcuk what I or anyone else thinks. I called it cowardly in my other posts but that's not really fair, it's just a bit cheap. Your man sticking the boot into the guy in that video is cowardly, hasn't even got the stones to confront him while he's upright only when he's floored.

Some of the bravado sh1t I've seen from lads after using cheapshots would make you think they were Floyd Mayweather.

MOC88 · 02-07-2013 10:38PM

Zen65 wrote: »

And his sexual orientation is relevant here because . . . ?

Z

I was wondering myself the same and then I realized its a lovers spat and that guy was a local oil baron who needed to eliminate the competition for a new well so he took the opportunity... that is how Texas works I've watched Dallas :cool:

Thwip! · 03-07-2013 12:25AM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Ahh I was getting mixed up with fight club ...

1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.
2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.

YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!!

smileyj1987 · 03-07-2013 12:47AM

Ah it depends on the situation sometimes you really have no option if your personal safety is at risk .

Nabber · 03-07-2013 12:47AM

Zen65 wrote: »

And his sexual orientation is relevant here because . . . ?

Z

Oh now the PC brigade. He seemed to me the be gay. I was merely using it as a way of pointing out how is talking about.

Gay or not, he is just as bad as the other two. All 3 are fools.

But kicking someone after another guy knocked him down. That's just outright scumbagery

Festy · 03-07-2013 02:19AM

lolz at everyone taking pics after he got flattened

Dostoevsky · 03-07-2013 03:10AM

People who resort to physical violence on a night out are pitiful.

Ah the whole alcohol-fuelled violence of nights out just turned me off long ago from going anywhere near town centres on such nights. These loud-mouthed, overbearingly obnoxious drunks destroy urban life at night for the rest of us. And this "being drunk is great" mentality is in every single town in Ireland. Anybody more than 18 should have more cop-on when it comes to alcohol abuse.

Ruudi_Mentari · 03-07-2013 03:11AM

*bam* right in the ear hole.

Who's shorter nowwwww....

Killer Wench · 03-07-2013 03:20AM

Blindsiding is acceptable when defending yourself or another person. Walking up on someone eating a cheeseburger and then hitting them on the head because they took your seat is unacceptable.

There were a few stories involving people being pushed in front of trains. People looked on not wanting to help the person because the crazed individual was still in the area. That person totally deserves a blindsidin'.

anto9 · 03-07-2013 03:23AM

This guy also deserved it .Bar in Pattaya .

http://youtu.be/gDohkK8jVcs

Seaneh · 03-07-2013 03:54AM

guy in the video in the op deserved it, without a doubt.

Duck's hoop · 03-07-2013 04:08AM

I musta missed the into everybody else saw. Who knows what the peace sign guy had done earlier? Or his mate?

How do people know anybody is gay in this clip? Who's doing all the whistling?

Afro guy was being a bit free with his hands but that was a cowardly and potentially deadly act. Could end up in jail for that.

ETA; kicking him while he was unconscious on the ground was the scummiest thing of all.

Duck's hoop · 03-07-2013 04:13AM

anto9 wrote: »

This guy also deserved it .Bar in Pattaya .

http://youtu.be/gDohkK8jVcs

He really didn't.

Ruudi_Mentari · 03-07-2013 04:29AM

Video begins too late to even know what prompted him, if anything. Why is he rubbing his chin, did somebody offend his stubble or maybe he slapped him; like a little bitch it kind of looks like that

Ruudi_Mentari · 03-07-2013 04:35AM

I bet he was just bein a knob, chairs raining down on him and everything. Girl who is egging him on is hot though

anto9 · 03-07-2013 06:34AM

Duck's hoop wrote: »

He really didn't.

Well he did say more than once ''who wants it ? ''

Ruudi_Mentari · 03-07-2013 06:43AM

I still don't get it though why didn't amy winehouse sink one of those sabre like fingernails into his eye, she had him lined up for the headshot

Is blindsiding someone acceptable?

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