Is Communism the way forward..

Possibly the only suggestion worse than

"Is there anything to be said for another cup of tea?"

No, It's the way backward, didn't you read the sign?

WumBuster wrote: »

yes, but i think the previous system used in USSR was flawed on many levels and was not real communism. Capitalist society only gives rise uneven class structures, wealth distribution and poverty.I think capitalism will die out once the worlds major religions lose influence.

Please God.

camel jockey wrote: »

You clearly know nothing about communism. 'Everyone is equal' indeed - tell that to the members of the politburo and their families and cronies.

Yes but some are more equal than others.

Is Communism the way forward..

It is if you want to have a dumbed down work force, controlled by the few.

Hmmm, seems like a few countries have gone communist, except by their religious name.

XXXXX the new communists.

WumBuster wrote: »

yes, but i think the previous system used in USSR was flawed on many levels and was not real communism. Capitalist society only gives rise uneven class structures, wealth distribution and poverty.I think capitalism will die out once the worlds major religions lose influence.

Ah, the old 'it wasn't real communism chestnut'!

'Real communism' is an ideological state, not a real one. The soviet union was the inevitable result of was happens when that ideology meets reality.

Nobody is ever likely to achive the nirvana of a real communist state that turns out to be anything less then a nightmare, any more then a 'real capitalist state' would be if libertarian wingnuts got their way.

Marx, for all his diatribes against the evils of capitalism in Das Capital, never actaully proposes in the course of his works a single sentence on how an alternative model might work, he was great at highlighting the evils of capitalism, but like many an unreconstructed Marxist today, rather short on workable alternatives.
'From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs' is a nice idea in principle, but how does it work in practice?
More to the point, who decides on my abilities, and who determines my needs?
Whatever else can be said about capitalism, it doesn't tell people what they are or are not entitled to achieve.
The truth of the matter is that it was capitalism, not communism that created a middle class and lifted far more people out of poverty in the west then communism ever manged to.

The problem with capitalism AND communism for that matter is when the state, who's primary concern should be the welfare of it's citizens gets into bed with economic ideology, if our government had been more concerned with the society it was building rather then the number of houses it was building we might not be in the trouble we are in today. It's why I get enfuriated whenever I hear government ministers talking about Ireland Inc. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A BLOODY CORPORATION! Nor do I want to live under Gilmore and Quinn's 'ideology of equal outcomes', the tyrrany of the lowest common denominator that loathes excelence and achievement.

Viventum wrote: »

We've had bank scandals, hosptial closures and people being pulled from bogs for nothing. Rich people grow richer. The rest of us get poorer.

Is there a future where people can be born knowing they can be an equal to everyone? Everyone is equal and contributes to the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVdVTVR-j0Q

Whats stopping us? Why is being a believer in Socialism so bad these days?

Did communism stop corruption in the Soviet Union?

Fair enough, get rid of the corruption that was rife in the Soviet Union, and you have a good system. But communism thinks that getting rid of religion is a good thing. There is a lot of good things that religion has brought to humanity

Communism, like anarchy, is an perfectionist ideology which cannot work in real terms because it expects that all participants will respect and adhere to the rules of that system. In reality humans are selfish and corruptible and will bend or break rules if the gain for themselves personally is high.

Capitalism at a base levels works because it so closely models the normal human behaviour (as we know it). The socialist capitalist hybrid that a lot of european countries run also works well because those at the top still make good gains, but so do the rest of the population, so it enjoys the support of everyone.

Worth noting that capitalist human behaviour may be a social evolutionary trait specific to those of european origin, rather than an inherent. While it was long believed that the selfish nature of the human being was an instinctual animalistic trait, some psychological/sociological experiments with indigenous populations of non-european origin brought up surprising results where they didn't try to screw over the other person and displayed very different risk/reward behaviours to americans and europeans.

The fact that capitalism has become so successful and rampant across populations may be an indication that for the population as a whole it is the most beneficial framework (and therefore the most evolutionarily successful), even if on an individual level it's exceptionally selfish.