Have you ever been to a Brothel

Daveysil15 · 29-06-2013 07:12PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Never said it was common but it exists, which makes it LIKELY that someone will sleep with someone trafficked into the country. That's all I'm saying.

I think he was replying to me with that post. I would imagine that the amount of women trafficked into the country is relatively low in comparison to the women who do it of their own free will. It's just the media focuses on the ugly side of it and rarely talks to the women who choose it - probably because those women prefer to keep their anonymity, which is understandable.

fatbatman · 29-06-2013 07:15PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

You said the same about heterosexual male sex workers, and you were wrong about that too.

Their pimps don't pay them, their pimps simply take their passports until they "pay back" the the money that was spent on giving them what they thought would be a better life.

It helps when you know what you're talking about, but sure just because you're not aware of it or have never experienced it, it doesn't exist and it doesn't happen, right? :pac:

They are EU members these girls? Why wouldn't they simply go to the police? They're hardly chained to the beds that they work at.

There is no evidence for your claim that this is common. It's happened no doubt, but not as much as in the heads of people like you who would like it to be a common reality.

Legs.Eleven · 29-06-2013 07:21PM

Daveysil15 wrote: »

I think he was replying to me with that post. I would imagine that the amount of women trafficked into the country is relatively low in comparison to the women who do it of their own free will. It's just the media focuses on the ugly side of it and rarely talks to the women who choose it - probably because those women prefer to keep their anonymity, which is understandable.

Of course there are women who choose to be prostitutes but to brush over the fact that there are actual cases of trafficked prostitutes in the country is ignorant and turning a blind eye just to justify what you do. The fact that some posters here are not even willing to acknowledge it says it all.

The fact is, the stats aren't available. It's almost impossible to get an accurate picture of what's going on but there are proven cases of it (see my links), so it could be the tip of the iceberg or it could be the extent of it. The fact is, we don't know. As I already said, as long as Ireland lacks strict regulation, we don't know meaning it's still shady as fook.

Czarcasm · 29-06-2013 07:24PM

fatbatman wrote: »

They are EU members these girls? Why wouldn't they simply go to the police? They're hardly chained to the beds that they work at.

It's like talking to a five year old with no concept of reality. I can't discuss the issue with you when you have no clue of the sex industry in Ireland.

There is no evidence for your claim that this is common. It's happened no doubt, but not as much as in the heads of people like you who would like it to be a common reality.

There's plenty of evidence for my claim that it is common, but you'll just choose to ignore it anyway because it's more convenient for you to do so. "People like you" indeed.

Legs.Eleven · 29-06-2013 07:25PM

They are EU members these girls? Why wouldn't they simply go to the police? They're hardly chained to the beds that they work at.

There is no evidence for your claim that this is common. It's happened no doubt, but not as much as in the heads of people like you who would like it to be a common reality.

Jaysus what ignorance you're displaying there, man.

Daveysil15 · 29-06-2013 07:28PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Of course there are women who choose to be prostitutes but to brush over the fact that there are actual cases of trafficked prostitutes in the country is ignorant and turning a blind eye just to justify what you do. The fact that some posters here are not even willing to acknowledge it says it all.

What I do? I don't think anybody here is saying trafficking doesn't happen, of course it does. Regulation won't completely combat that either though.

Pug160 · 29-06-2013 07:49PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I'd like to see prostitution regulated and legal but I'd still be concerned (if I was a man) that the woman I'm sleeping with is there against her will. It's a very legit concern and to make little of it, like some posters have done here, is ridiculous. None of us know the stats as the reliable stats don't exist but there's no denying that it does exist on some level, which makes it seedy as fook.

That's just how I personally feel. Not saying anyone should feel like I do.

You'd have no need to be concerned if you picked a native, independent, educated escort. If you were still worried after that then obviously seeing an escort wouldn't be for you. I'm certainly not advocating it anyway. We are all free to make our own minds up.

Lumping all men who use sex workers together as potential abettors of crime is not going to help anyone's cause. I couldn't prove to you that an escort I saw wasn't trafficked any more than i could prove to you that God doesn't exist but I think common sense and education should at least be taken into consideration.

Edit: Actually, I could prove it. But nevermind.

Daveysil15 · 29-06-2013 07:58PM

Pug160 wrote: »

You'd have no need to be concerned if you picked a native, independent, educated escort. If you were still worried after that then obviously seeing an escort wouldn't be for you. I'm certainly not advocating it anyway. We are all free to make our own minds up.

Lumping all men who use sex workers together as potential abettors of crime is not going to help anyone's cause. I couldn't prove to you that an escort I saw wasn't trafficked any more than i could prove to you that God doesn't exist but I think common sense and education should at least be taken into consideration.

Edit: Actually, I could prove it. But nevermind.

Yeah I couldn't see an Irish or English girl working for a Romanian pimp - why would they? However, most of the escorts in Ireland are non-nationals. Although I did work with a Czech student who did it for a while to pay for college.

Pug160 · 29-06-2013 08:11PM

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Yeah I couldn't see an Irish or English girl working for a Romanian pimp - why would they? However, most of the escorts in Ireland are non-nationals. Although I did work with a Czech student who did it for a while to pay for college.

I think a lot of young native girls are students - it would certainly make sense that they are anyway. Younger girls, just like younger men, have a tendency to do things when they're young that they later regret though. Having said that, they're adults who have made their choice.

As far as I know Irish and British girls tour a lot - so Irish girls tour the UK and a lot of British girls tour Ireland and the UK. Some even travel in twos, although it's technically illegal if they're sharing the same place.

Daveysil15 · 29-06-2013 08:18PM

Pug160 wrote: »

I think a lot of young native girls are students - it would certainly make sense that they are anyway. Younger girls, just like younger men, have a tendency to do things when they're young that they later regret though. Having said that, they're adults who have made their choice.

As far as I know Irish and British girls tour a lot - so Irish girls tour the UK and a lot of British girls tour Ireland and the UK. Some even travel in twos, although it's technically illegal if they're sharing the same place.

That's a stupid law that needs to be changed.

I've often wondered though, if the girls are touring and staying in different apartments, then are they swaping apartments with other escorts or is there a person who rents the apartments to them? Obviously you'd never get that many short term leases.

Citycap · 29-06-2013 08:20PM

Worked in London for a cab office. We had a number of "working girls" who used our services for outcalls to hotels. Unbelieveable the cash they were getting for their work. Always gave a good tip at the end of the week to the drivers.
I certainly never got the impression that they were being exploited by anyone but then they weren't standing on the footpath in Kings Cross looking for business. A number of them bought nice apartments with their earnings

Daveysil15 · 29-06-2013 08:23PM

Citycap wrote: »

Worked in London for a cab office. We had a number of "working girls" who used our services for outcalls to hotels. Unbelieveable the cash they were getting for their work. Always gave a good tip at the end of the week to the drivers.
I certainly never got the impression that they were being exploited by anyone but then they weren't standing on the footpath in Kings Cross looking for business. A number of them bought nice apartments with their earnings

That reminds me of 'The Secret Diary Of A Call Girl'... the cabies were always onto them.

bodice ripper · 29-06-2013 09:26PM

RealExpert wrote: »

Dont forget even if you are married you are still paying for it!

Maybe your marriage is just ****e

citytillidie · 29-06-2013 09:53PM

Does being in a Vegas casino count ?

29-06-2013 10:10PM

baraca wrote: »

Once in Ibiza, Was very classy and upmarket looking and very expensive.

We got lost on our first night and just ended up there. Don't regret it and would do it again if I was single.

Yeah - right Ted.

Wibbs · 29-06-2013 10:19PM

Yea once on the razz in Paris. One of the guys I was with fell over and smacked his head. Blood and snotters everywhere. He wasn't even that drunk, cos god love him he could feel the pain. A couple of ladies of the night ran over and asked was he alright, brought us into their house of ill repute and patched him up(I even got a beer). He wasn't as bad as it first looked so we caught a second wind. They suggested some good places we could go for grub and a few beers. Very sound lot. Sorry, nothing more naked and sexeh than that I'm afraid.

fatbatman · 30-06-2013 02:25AM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Jaysus what ignorance you're displaying there, man.

I was just asking questions, but now I've gone ahead and confirmed your delusional reality.

Men who use whores are sluts, prostitution is evil and those who claim it is so are angels. Happy now?

Legs.Eleven · 30-06-2013 02:58AM

fatbatman wrote: »

I was just asking questions, but now I've gone ahead and confirmed your delusional reality.

Men who use whores are sluts, prostitution is evil and those who claim it is so are angels. Happy now?

Man you're not even worth debating with when you pull out this bollocks. Get back to me when you grow up. Night!

theglobe · 30-06-2013 03:45AM

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

I don't really see the difference between paying for it and going to a night club with the intention of picking up someone for a night stand. Except paying for it is less hassel and has a higher success rate.

I wouldn't be into either myself, but wouldn't knock anybody for it.

Mr new opinion right here

anto9 · 30-06-2013 06:20AM

Yes , just last week ,went to a Soapy massage place .

Czarcasm · 30-06-2013 09:39AM

fatbatman wrote: »

I'm shocked and appalled at the illogical and ill-informed viewpoints on prostitution demonstrated by some in this thread. There is a massive stigma against males who use prostitutes in this country, and it's something that should really change.

fatbatman wrote: »

I was just asking questions, but now I've gone ahead and confirmed your delusional reality.

Still working hard to change that stigma, eh?

fatbatman · 30-06-2013 11:19AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Still working hard to change that stigma, eh?

Deductively, yes. However the seeming reality of mathematical induction is incontrovertible.

Czarcasm · 30-06-2013 11:33AM

fatbatman wrote: »

Deductively, yes. However the seeming reality of mathematical induction is incontrovertible.

Your mathematical induction is based on the assumption formed by your deduction using flawed logical arguments, ie-

Your sums just don't add up, time to go back to the drawing board and review your equations to see where you're going wrong. Best place to start is with yourself.

harry Bailey esq · 30-06-2013 11:39AM

myself and my brother spent a day in one in tenerife,this place advertised itself as a nightclub,which was strange because it opened at ten am. we were propositioned as soon as we got in the door,but both of us declined.after that there was no hard sell,no pressure to leave or anything like that,the pints were a euro each so we stayed for the day boozin away and chatting with the girls.no horror stories of goons blocking the doors demanding an extortionate bill. all very relaxed.

fatbatman · 30-06-2013 11:47AM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Your mathematical induction is based on the assumption formed by your deduction using flawed logical arguments, ie-

Your sums just don't add up, time to go back to the drawing board and review your equations to see where you're going wrong. Best place to start is with yourself.

You were the one making claims all along ie-

That there is something wrong with a woman selling sexual services, or with the men that use these services.

You've never given any answer as to why. For once how about you do it, and without linking to that drawn out thread.

Czarcasm · 30-06-2013 12:01PM

fatbatman wrote: »

You were the one making claims all along ie-

That there is something wrong with a woman selling sexual services, or with the men that use these services.

You've never given any answer as to why. For once how about you do it, and without linking to that drawn out thread.

I DID give you an answer as to why I object to people being sexually exploited, but it clearly didn't register with you, obviously because it wasn't convenient for you-

Czarcasm wrote: »

Implying? Let me make myself clear then. Yes, there's a hell of a lot wrong with a person selling their body for a living (I say person, because you may not have realised it, but men, and teenagers both male and female sell their bodies for a living too).

Sex is freely available to anyone who wants it. Sex workers package sex up like it's a finite resource and charge for it. They're not "providing" anything out of the goodness of their hearts, and certainly the illusion of a finite resource created from an infinite one is of no benefit to society.

The reason we are all alive is because men AND women chose to procreate. Procreation is the last thing any sex worker wants to do, and certainly the last thing anyone who avails sex workers services wants to happen.

At this point is there any need to point out to you that women also avail of the services provided by sex workers? In your eagerness to point out the "shocking attitudes" towards sex workers in this country, you yourself are perpetuating that "shocking attitude" by referring to sex workers as "prostitutes".

There's a whole thread on this issue that's been done to death already if you'd care to inform yourself before you mouth off without a clue about what you're talking about -

Exclusion of Sex Workers from Justice Committee

(Slightly edited to more specifically address just your question).

Happy now?

Yamanoto · 30-06-2013 12:27PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

I DID give you an answer as to why I object to people being sexually exploited, but it clearly didn't register with you, obviously because it wasn't convenient for you

Yeah, it was me you wouldn't give an answer to, obviously because it wasn't convenient for you.

Czarcasm · 30-06-2013 12:41PM

Yamanoto wrote: »

Yeah, it was me you wouldn't give an answer to, obviously because it wasn't convenient for you.

Not because it wasn't convenient for me, but because you couldn't see the illogical argument in your own flawed question -

Yamanoto wrote: »

Quick question so.

If two consenting adults freely agree to enact a transaction for sex (again let me make this clear - no coercion involved), would you have an objection to that and if so, on what grounds?

Paying somebody to have sex with you, or charging somebody money to have sex with you, is itself coercion.

fatbatman · 30-06-2013 12:47PM

Sex is freely available to anyone who wants it. Sex workers package sex up like it's a finite resource and charge for it. They're not "providing" anything out of the goodness of their hearts, and certainly the illusion of a finite resource created from an infinite one is of no benefit to society.

By arguing this, in reality you're actually simultaneously counter arguing yourself.

You postulated that sex is freely available to anyone who wants it in order to insinuate that sex work is redundant. However, that sex is available for free to everyone is ridiculous as a matter of fact, so you're really just showing that there is in fact a need for sex work. Yet you give zero reason WHY for that need to be facilitated is immoral. And if it is not immoral there is nothing wrong with it.

fatbatman · 30-06-2013 12:52PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Paying somebody to have sex with you, or charging somebody money to have sex with you, is itself coercion.

So in your (ridiculous) equation, both parties are committing coercion against each other?? Even while consenting via their free will and mutually benefiting from the situation? That is absurd.

Have you ever been to a Brothel

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