South Africa ready for ethnic cleansing when Mandela dies?

Hitchens · 29-06-2013 09:09AM #1

It has all the signs if reports from the region are to be believed.

A white farmer murdered yesterday in front of his wife and child. The perps were a group of black men allegedly.

Nelson's passing could be the trigger for a blood fest, hopefully not but it could happen.

Mint Sauce · 29-06-2013 09:15AM

Or a coincidence?

29-06-2013 09:16AM

Conspiracy theories----> http://touch.boards.ie/forum/576

smcgiff · 29-06-2013 09:23AM

Unlikely I'd say... It pretty much happened in Zimbabwe though.

29-06-2013 09:33AM

I have heard loads of talk about this. I know most Jewish South Africans have left.

mike65 · 29-06-2013 10:23AM

As I said in the Mandela death watch thread, there is a good chance in 15 years SA will be like Zimbabwe in the 90s. Just takes one party rule, a corrupt leader and some rabble rousing.

29-06-2013 10:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Conspiracy theories----> http://touch.boards.ie/forum/576

Please if there is a god or mod out there. Implement an instant ban to people who use this reply. I admit when i first heard it 5 years ago it was funny, but after the 5000 time its just annoying .

SeanW · 29-06-2013 10:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Please if there is a god or mod out there. Implement an instant ban to people who use this reply. I admit when i first heard it 5 years ago it was funny, but after the 5000 time its just annoying .

Sometimes it's warranted, i.e. when people actually derail threads with conspiracy theories. But in this case, you're right, it's out of order.

29-06-2013 11:00AM

SeanW wrote: »

Sometimes it's warranted, i.e. when people actually derail threads with conspiracy theories. But in this case, you're right, it's out of order.

And this idea of (south africa going to rot because an old man who can't speak in public because of old age, will soon not be able to speak in public because of death), isn't a conspiracy theory because................?

Anyways, if it pisses you off then "wah". (Not wha, wah, as in crybaby)

SeanW · 29-06-2013 11:01AM

mike65 wrote: »

As I said in the Mandela death watch thread, there is a good chance in 15 years SA will be like Zimbabwe in the 90s

One party rule: check.
A corrupt leader. Sort of check, there have been some terrible politicians in office there since Nelson M. left the presidency.
Rabble rousing. Check. The former ANC Youth League president (once tipped to be a future president) was one Julius Malema. His favourite song was "Shoot the Boer." He also gave some fiery speeches in Zimbabwe to ZANU-PF supporters that would likely make the Black Panthers look timid by comparison.

If someone like him ever gets power in South Africa, heaven help all the people of that country - black and white alike.

mentalist101 · 29-06-2013 11:03AM

They should do as they like and watch South Africa turn from a booming economy to a cesspit of stupidity and Violence. You would think they would have learned from Zimbabwe but if they are not smart enough too, then their loss.

South Africa belongs to the white as well as the black in the country, its stupid to think otherwise.

SeanW · 29-06-2013 11:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And this idea of (south africa going to rot because an old man who can't speak in public because of old age, will soon not be able to speak in public because of death), isn't a conspiracy theory because................?

Anyways, if it pisses you off then "wah". (Not wha, wah, as in crybaby)

Because if I understand the thought process correctly, Nelson Mandela is a force for moderation and harmony. When he's gone and South Africans have only racial figures like Julius Malema for black South Africans and stories about the latest farmer to have been murdered for white South Africans, it might not be pretty.

SeanW · 29-06-2013 11:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And this idea of (south africa going to rot because an old man who can't speak in public because of old age, will soon not be able to speak in public because of death), isn't a conspiracy theory because................?

Anyways, if it pisses you off then "wah". (Not wha, wah, as in crybaby)

Wow, that was mature. :rolleyes:

By the way, the mods will decide if this thread is discussing a conspiracy theory in which case they will move it.

Until then (stooping unfortunately to your level of petty childishness)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CloUVHuWMI4

29-06-2013 11:20AM

SeanW wrote: »

Wow, that was mature. :rolleyes:

By the way, the mods will decide if this thread is discussing a conspiracy theory in which case they will move it.

Until then (stooping unfortunately to your level of petty childishness)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CloUVHuWMI4

Well, that was more for the fella posting behind you than you. At least you had the courtesy of explaining the point being made, and a valid point it is.

So, re: the video, eh.....

Yore Ma. :PAC:

Amirani · 29-06-2013 11:30AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yore Ma. :PAC:

Bad move there.

Hitchens · 04-07-2013 05:42PM

Jaysus, some family of hyenas poor 'oul Nelson has :eek:

Cody Pomeray · 04-07-2013 05:46PM

Hitchens wrote: »

It has all the signs if reports from the region are to be believed.

A white farmer murdered yesterday in front of his wife and child.

Ok... but what are the signs of some systemic ethnic cleansing?

Hitchens · 04-07-2013 06:01PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Ok... but what are the signs of some systemic ethnic cleansing?

"In July of 2012, Dr. Gregory Stanton, head of the nonprofit group Genocide Watch, - conducted a fact-finding mission in South Africa. He concluded that there is a coordinated campaign of genocide being conducted against white farmers, known as Boers. “The farm murders, we have become convinced, are not accidental,” Stanton contended. “It was very clear that the massacres were not common crimes,” he added—especially because of the absolute barbarity used against the victims. “We don’t know exactly who is planning them yet, but what we are calling for is an international investigation,” he added.

The number of farm murders, or “plaasmoorde” as it is called in Afrikaans, is staggering. Over the last decade, it is estimated that at least 3000 Boers have been killed. Estimating the number of murders is necessary because the ANC has banned crime statistics from being compiled, claiming they scare off foreign investment. Moreover, the world knows little about the savagery that accompanies those killings. Many victims, including women and infant children, are raped or tortured before they are killed. Some have boiling water poured down their throats, some are burned with hot pokers, and some are hacked to death with machetes, or disemboweled. Several others have been tied to their own cars and dragged for miles."

Cody Pomeray · 04-07-2013 06:16PM

Hitchens wrote: »

"In July of 2012, Dr. Gregory Stanton, head of the nonprofit group Genocide Watch, - conducted a fact-finding mission in South Africa. He concluded that there is a coordinated campaign of genocide being conducted against white farmers, known as Boers. “The farm murders, we have become convinced, are not accidental,” Stanton contended. “It was very clear that the massacres were not common crimes,” he added—especially because of the absolute barbarity used against the victims. “We don’t know exactly who is planning them yet, but what we are calling for is an international investigation,” he added.

Great. Can I have the link address to the Genocide Watch article?
I noticed you didn't attach it, and one of the google results seemed to be stormfront and some other nutjobs.

Wattle · 04-07-2013 06:17PM

It may happen in farming areas but ethnic cleansing the whole of the country? No chance. There is more integration now. It's not perfect but I don't see an imminent bloodbath.

Hitchens · 04-07-2013 06:25PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Great. Can I have the link address to the Genocide Watch article?
I noticed you didn't attach it, and one of the google results seemed to be stormfront and some other nutjobs.

Do you seriously think I made it up?

Cody Pomeray · 04-07-2013 06:27PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Do you seriously think I made it up?

No... I googled it and I just got a load of off the wall websites like stormfront and jihad watch.

Obviously you got it from the Irish Times or somewhere reputable... just looking for a reputable link, that's all.

super_furry · 04-07-2013 06:31PM

Hitchens wrote: »

A white farmer murdered yesterday in front of his wife and child. The perps were a group of black men allegedly.

How many black people were murdered in South Africa yesterday?

Poo Fingers · 04-07-2013 06:38PM

Don't be silly. Racism doesn't count when it's against white people.

greendom · 04-07-2013 06:41PM

There may continúe to be isolated murders but there is no reason to believe
that the death of Mandela will cause these to increase, never mind turn into a full blown genocide

0066ad · 04-07-2013 06:42PM

super_furry wrote: »

How many black people were murdered in South Africa yesterday?

I can't find any news articles from yesterday of any blacks in South Africa, killed
by a group of white farmers, can you?

Clandestine · 04-07-2013 06:51PM

White genocide is coming to South Africa, mark my words.

04-07-2013 07:08PM

Hitchens wrote: »

Do you seriously think I made it up?

Until you post a link to it, yes I do.

matthew8 · 04-07-2013 07:10PM

I doubt it. In Zimbabwe the whites were at most 4%, a very small minority. In South Africa, whites are nearly at 9% and the Afrikaner speaking "Coloureds" are also nearly at 9%, totalling around 9 million European language speaking people together. This gives them a much bigger voice inside the country and parliament than Rhodesians had.

The murder of Boer farmers is massively unfortunate, especially considering many killings are politically motivated without actually taking anything. However, crime is rampant in SA and I would guess the blacks are no better off and are probably bigger victims of crimes because they can't pay private security firms.

KingOfFairview · 04-07-2013 07:17PM

No, this is a bizarre fantasy entertained by racist imbeciles who wish to whip up trouble. Link to that report please

Wattle · 04-07-2013 07:24PM

If ethnic cleansing did start there would probably be a boycott organised similar to the ones that happened during apartheid. There would also be an inevitable backlash from the international community. I just can't see South Africa regressing like that.

South Africa ready for ethnic cleansing when Mandela dies?

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