Have you ever been to a Brothel

Candie wrote: »

Not agreeing with you doesn't equate to being sanctimonious.

I may not share your principles, but at the very least I can be polite.

Using highly emotive language and expressions to try and prove your point does though.

Whether you share my positions or not is irrelevant. Whose positions are most objectively true is the only thing that matters.

I love the way it's described as selling ones body, as though you're left wandering the earth as an incorporeal vapour. It's providing a physical service that many people in Ireland are deeply uncomfortable with.

There are lots of jobs I'd see as less appealing that prostitution, though I say that having neither tried those jobs nor prostitution.

Czarcasm wrote: »

One minute you say you're arguing morality, which is your gut feeling on the subject, then you say you're arguing principles, which are based on a moral code, and now you're asking another poster is their involvement anything other than sanctimonious when your earlier argument was that sex workers are providing an essential service and men need sex!

I don't think you know what you're saying tbh, I think you're just arguing for the sake of argument and refusing to inform yourself.

You really don't understand much about logic at all. Morality is not based on gut feeling, it can be, but if that gut feeling is not backed up by logic it is irrelevant. Principles are based on facts, not any moral code.

When did I ever say "men need sex"? I said men desire sex, and there are no good moral reason to restrict them from facilitate this desire by paying women to have sex with them.

Czarcasm wrote: »

Now you're just talking nonsense, well, you were always talking nonsense, just that now I've listened to enough of it.

It's only nonsense to you because you fail to understand it's meaning. Maybe one day when you're old enough you can comprehend such matters as how the world works and how we as intelligent beings observe the workings of the world and draw conclusions from it, but until that day just keep on spouting your delusions to yourself.

Sick rotten places, wouldnt step foot in them.


TBH though the more I think of it the more I realize I couldnt really care less about them.

They dont effect my life one iota so why I even have an opinion on them baffles me.


From right now onwards I shant give a flying fcuk about any whores or whore house.

Caribbean Cat wrote: »

I haven't frequented brothels myself so I cannot give you an opinion based on facts, but this is what people very close to me have told me.Now, I have no moral compass towards this, I really dont care what people do legally.However sometimes the people who use brothels do not consider the people involved as people. Humans.Creatures who have feelings and emotions. But then they meet somebody whom they fall in love with and suddenly they see people as people. I dont judge because hey! Its not MY body!I dont understand how I have upset you?

So, when you buy a coffee, or do your shopping you think of everyone as complex emotional creatures that you have to respect. How about if you get a massage? And do you expect all of them to do the same to you?

I have no doubt that a guy with a sex worker doesn't think of them as super special with snowflakely uniqueness. But I very much doubt that sex workers think of their clients like that too.
they probably see a blob with a penis and just do their job.

Now I'll admit it is probably an unpleasant job on occasion. But I've actually been lifting a person out of a bed to change their clothes and had projectile sh1te blasted at my upper torso when I lifted their legs. I was working as a care attendant at the time. I think that getting sh1t in the face is about as unpleasant as you can get. But it was my job so I carefully put their feet down and stepped back. Then I removed the top I was wearing, gave myself a quick once over and changed gloves. And then I cleaned them and the bed up before leaving and showering the fcuk out of myself.

I see sex work as something similar. I know many people who would blanch at the thought of being covered in sh1t just as I know many who would hate the idea of sex work. Now people may say that being a care attendant is different because it's helping people but they're mistaken on two accounts.

Firstly sex workers can help people. There have been many stories recently about care centres in the UK that hire sex workers for their residents. That's because these people are incapable of going out and forming the type of sexual relationships that your average person can.

Secondly it's assumed that the care attendant has a higher calling than the sex worker. Trust me, it doesn't pay that good, but most care attendants still wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the money. Very few people like being covered in the sh1t, puke and piss of strangers (And ironically, those that do would probably end up paying someone to do it to them).

Many people make choices that we would never make for ourselves. Although I have worked some of the weirdest jobs you can imagine and although I have been in situations that some people would describe as vile, I don't think I could be a sex worker but I know that strangely enough, most sex workers couldn't/wouldn't have done my job either.

So don't judge those that engage in sex work either as clients or workers simply because they're in that industry or because they don't think of everyone as complex beings. One is doing a job and one is paying for it.

(That's not to say that judgeing can't be done. If a man is cheating on his wife with a sex worker, that's wrong for him. If a sex worker is a junkie who has three kids in care and is selling her body for €20 a go, that's wrong. But that's the backgrounds of the people involved, not the act)

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

He said it was "common sense" and "obvious". His words not mine. I'm disputing that. I can't see how it'd be obvious at all and the very fact that it's not obvious would turn me off completely.

It might be a lot rarer (we don't know) but it exists. I really don't trust all I read on the issue and I've read conflicting stats with regards to how many trafficked sex workers there are in the country. The idea that it's so grey would turn me off completely. You really don't know what you're getting yourself into.

I think it can be obvious that a girl was trafficked. Like i said, that doesn't mean that if you can't tell she isn't trafficked. It just means that there would be times when it's obvious she was trafficked. Does that make sense?

And I think the chances decrease the more legitimate the place. Some countries have tightly regulated sex industries so in somewhere like a high priced brothel in Germany you are far less likely to see a trafficked girl (I'd say it's nearly impossible) than you would be in a country where there's lettle regulation.

BTW, this is what i meant when I said that there is more trafficking going on for crap jobs than there are for sex workers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12881982

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/focus/section2/2012/03/human-trafficking-in-the-mekong-region-one-response-to-the-problem.html

Human trafficking – essentially the recruitment, transport, receipt and harboring of people for the purpose of exploiting their labor – affects almost all parts of the world and is widely believed to be increasing in both scale and gravity. In the Asia-Pacific Region, the International Labour Organization (ILO) estimated that 9.49 million people were in forced labor (2005), with a significant proportion thought to be in the Greater Mekong Sub-Region (referred to as the Mekong Region from this point on), which includes Cambodia, China, Lao PDR, Myanmar, Thailand and Vietnam......



.....• Myth: Human trafficking relates mostly to women and girls being exploited within the sex industry.

Reality: A significant portion of trafficking is for the purposes of labor exploitation, victimizing men, women, and children. Trafficking is not only for sexual exploitation. Forced labor and slavery-like practices exist within a number of labor settings including exploitative factories, domestic servitude, fisheries, construction and plantations. Despite this, some national laws in Southeast Asia still limit the definition of trafficking to women and children.

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Do you really believe that?

It was a report about trafficing in the run up to the world cup in germany. If there's one thing i believe, it's that the germans are efficent


Which is all a bit off topic so I'll round up by saying that I have never been in a brothel. But I was approached by a number of street walkers in Prague. Being a young impressionable (and very drunk) lad i thought it was strange that so many women had lost their keys and were standing outside their front doors. I also thought it was strange that they kept approaching me and asking me the time. Admittidly they were offering me sex, but i was so drunk and innocent that I actually thought they wanted the time. Or on one occasion wanted a light for their cigarette.

Czarcasm wrote: »

No, what's caused untold suffering and pain throughout history is people over-riding their morality to gain an advantage in their current position.

To be fair, that's not true. Most massacres/Purges/etc were done with a clear conscience by the perpetrators. Most nazi's who participated in the holocaust believed what they were doing was for a greater good.