The Anglo Irish Tapes

tayto lover · 28-06-2013 03:54PM

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

What programme? TV, radio, where?

After the 6 o' clock news on RTE Radio one.

SEPT 23 1989 · 28-06-2013 03:57PM

I would say it was total humiliation for the Irish ministers at that EU meeting today

P. Breathnach · 28-06-2013 04:02PM

Pee wee stairmaster wrote: »

The union chiefs seem very quiet on the Anglo tapes, I can only imagine they're up to their necks in this too....

I met a neighbour today, and he said nothing about the tapes. So he must be in on the racket also. You wouldn't think that a retired man in poor health who lives very modestly was such a crook.

tayto lover · 28-06-2013 04:07PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Didn't you know? If you take the bigger picture into account on these discussions, you're automatically a FG supporter.

Raging and sickened as I am by what's being said on those tapes, the fact virtually nobody was complaining during the "boom" can't be ignored.

Can you remind me of a few instances of when FG complained?
They were the party in opposition and the party who were supposed to be keeping an eye out for sharp practices. They allowed FF to get too cozy with the Bankers in my opinion and as such as just as guilty as that shower.
I remembering them complaining after the budgets that FF didn't give enough away.
There's the bigger picture for you.

Mardy Bum · 28-06-2013 04:33PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They allowed FF to get too cozy with the Bankers in my opinion and as such as just as guilty as that shower.

Yes that logic makes complete sense. Did you pay your FF membership this year yet?

tayto lover · 28-06-2013 04:35PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Yes that logic makes complete sense. Did you pay your FF membership this year yet?

If you look over my previous posts regarding FF you would see how I detest them even more than FG.
Maybe you could tell us what the job of the opposition is?

Mardy Bum · 28-06-2013 04:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

If you look over my previous posts regarding FF you would see how I detest them even more than FG.

Well I do not understand how you can hold FG as equally accountable for FF getting close to the bankers. FF made that choice as well as many other corrupt choices. There are obvious errors in FG past and quite a few of their TDs and Senators are absolute idiots of the highest order but I wouldn't blame them for allowing the bankers and FF collude.

tayto lover · 28-06-2013 04:44PM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Well I do not understand how you can hold FG as equally accountable for FF getting close to the bankers. FF made that choice as well as many other corrupt choices. There are obvious errors in FG past and quite a few of their TDs and Senators are absolute idiots of the highest order but I wouldn't blame them for allowing the bankers and FF collude.

They didn't question anything. Signed Bank guarantee without examining it, questioning the regulator or examining the state of the banks accounts.
I think FF are guilty of collusion with the banks but expected the opposition to fight for us and keep them as honest as possible. Nothing was done.

who_me · 28-06-2013 04:56PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Not at all. Of course they have a legitimate complaint. What I am saying is that the responsibility for what went wrong should be more widely distributed: tens, perhaps hundreds, of thousands of members of the ordinary public also contributed to the problem.

When individuals protest "not me, I did nothing" they may be right about their individual cases, but they feed a perception that Joe Public was entirely blameless. Joe Public, as a collective representation of the people, was an active participant.

Fair enufski. I actually agree. While it's a very dangerous time to say anything along the lines "it wasn't just the bankers", it is true. Everyone who borrowed recklessly did contribute to the bubble & crash too, as did every estate agent who inflated prices etc...

It is a liiiitle bit off topic on this thread though, since the bankers have (massively) compounded their guilty part in this by now passing all their debt onto everyone, be they prudent or reckless. And that's what the last 100 odd pages of rants is about, not the existence of bad debt in the first place.

For my part, I've contributed a bit to the bubble by buying (with a 100% mortgage) at exactly the tipping point of the boom (mid '07), but at least I've made no attempts to pass my debts onto anyone else, nor asked for any handouts, nor laughed at anyone who attempted to help, nor....

RiverOfLove · 28-06-2013 06:08PM

This was up on twitter:

bank was trading illegally because they were insolvent.

Have no idea what that may mean - could they be caught on something?

I thought there were more tapes due out today. What happened to them?

Will there be any more released during the weekend, I wonder.

RiverOfLove · 28-06-2013 06:10PM

That bank guarantee was disasterous and it was all one big scam and will cost us for a long time to come while the people responsible for it will ride off into the sunset.

Wurzelbert · 28-06-2013 06:14PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

I just checked out twitter and facebook.

There will be a protest tomorrow in Dublin at 1pm. I don't know where it's starting at. Organised by SWP (socialist workers party, I think).

Don't know what their aim is but my guess is to call on the government for action to be taken for justice because the tapes that came out this week clearly indiciate fraud.

Just putting this info out there for anyone who might be interested.

if it wasn’t organised by the ****ing socialists i might consider going…

28-06-2013 06:19PM

Wurzelbert wrote: »

if it wasn’t organised by the ****ing socialists i might consider going…

I agree.

AnOrdinaryJoe · 28-06-2013 06:55PM

Originally Posted by RiverOfLove

I just checked out twitter and facebook.

There will be a protest tomorrow in Dublin at 1pm. I don't know where it's starting at. Organised by SWP (socialist workers party, I think).

Don't know what their aim is but my guess is to call on the government for action to be taken for justice because the tapes that came out this week clearly indiciate fraud.

Just putting this info out there for anyone who might be interested.

if it wasn’t organised by the ****ing socialists i might consider going…

When the seriousness of what has been going on and the fact that some people are at least making an effort to organise and protest..... does it really matter who has organised the protest.

Surely the main thing is to get people en masse out there.... to have numbers.... to show the scumbags who ruined the country and their crony partners in crime that there is a groundswell of citizens who are mad as hell and want proper decisive action.

I say fair play to the SWP and anybody else or any organisation who / which organises any protest..... and I feel that given the gargantuan level of seriousness and importance, that is the attitude perhaps that all of us should be taking.

AnOrdinaryJoe · 28-06-2013 07:06PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

This was up on twitter:

bank was trading illegally because they were insolvent.

Have no idea what that may mean - could they be caught on something?

I thought there were more tapes due out today. What happened to them?

Will there be any more released during the weekend, I wonder.

Not sure if this actually means anything in Ireland..... a bank trading illegally.

I recall reading an article somewhere recently about AIB trading illegally as they didn't have a proper banking licence..... something along those lines...... I'd put money on that if it was true they didn't receive as much as a slapped wrist from their mates, sorry... from the Central Bank or whichever part of the establishment it is which is supposed to to the wrist slapping.

RiverOfLove · 28-06-2013 08:12PM

Here is news about another protest happening tomorrow in Galway at 12 Noon.

http://galwayindependent.com/20130628/news/anglo-tapes-protest-this-saturday-S20505.html

I don't know who's organising this. It appears to me this one will be just some sort of a walkabout, gathering at one bank (never knew Galway had an Anglo bank) and walking to another bank. Not much of an aim as such like geared at to you exactly?

steddyeddy · 28-06-2013 08:21PM

AnOrdinaryJoe wrote: »

Originally Posted by RiverOfLove

I just checked out twitter and facebook.

There will be a protest tomorrow in Dublin at 1pm. I don't know where it's starting at. Organised by SWP (socialist workers party, I think).

Don't know what their aim is but my guess is to call on the government for action to be taken for justice because the tapes that came out this week clearly indiciate fraud.

Just putting this info out there for anyone who might be interested.

if it wasn’t organised by the ****ing socialists i might consider going…

When the seriousness of what has been going on and the fact that some people are at least making an effort to organise and protest..... does it really matter who has organised the protest.

Surely the main thing is to get people en masse out there.... to have numbers.... to show the scumbags who ruined the country and their crony partners in crime that there is a groundswell of citizens who are mad as hell and want proper decisive action.

I say fair play to the SWP and anybody else or any organisation who / which organises any protest..... and I feel that given the gargantuan level of seriousness and importance, that is the attitude perhaps that all of us should be taking.

Oh you're not serious? In Brazil people of all political persuasions, class and ages are protesting.

It will only be the socialists protesting at this stage because everyone else seems to make excuse after excuse.

tayto lover · 28-06-2013 08:42PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

This was up on twitter:

bank was trading illegally because they were insolvent.

Have no idea what that may mean - could they be caught on something?

I thought there were more tapes due out today. What happened to them?

Will there be any more released during the weekend, I wonder.

I'd say the Government are putting pressure on the Indo not to release any more tapes as it looks bad abroad. Bad for them of course.

Noreen1 · 28-06-2013 08:57PM

K-9 wrote: »

Which begs the question?

This was the Sean Quinn that as per the Sunday Tribune interview with a big Wall Street analyst, said Quinn was the biggest worldwide loss in CFD's in one single transaction, in the world, ever?

It amazes me people don't grasp what Quinn did. If you are shocked at Anglo, you should be stupified at Quinn, it's beyond comprehension, Anglo was just jumped up ignorant bankers trying to bluff their way out of trouble with male bravado.

In short, Quinn lost more than Warren Buffet in one single transaction. Buffet made a fortune over time. Quinn put Billions into something he had no clue about, the Celtic Tiger Bluffer story to a tee.

Oh, I grasp what Quinn did, alright.
He cost us 2.x Billion - for which he has apologised, by the way.

Contrast that with colluding to defraud Joe Public of multiples of that - 29 Billion, if memory serves me right - and laughing while doing so, and you might begin to grasp my point.

But sure that was just jumped up ignorant bankers indulging in a bit of male bravado. Let's all forget that the jumped up bankers had University degrees (for all their ignorance!) - while Sean Quinn left school at the age of 15.

Sean Quinn is not in the same league as these guys - not by a long shot!

SeaFields · 28-06-2013 09:03PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd say the Government are putting pressure on the Indo not to release any more tapes as it looks bad abroad. Bad for them of course.

I speculated on this with the crowd in work too. They released stuff and said they had loads more. Then it stopped. I thought they would release snippets and then have something really explosive for the sindo. Remember they already told us they had stuff with a top civil servant and something that would bring politicians into the frame.

Someone, somewhere is stopping it me thinks.

RiverOfLove · 28-06-2013 09:04PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd say the Government are putting pressure on the Indo not to release any more tapes as it looks bad abroad. Bad for them of course.

Good god!

I hope the indo releases them to fcuk. I couldn't give a damn how it looks abroad or to anyone else for that matter.

Those tapes need releasing. We need to know what's on them,otherwise nothing is ever going to come of any of this. Our government were far to lax for the past two and a half years about this banking guarantee and this will push them into something, hopefully. There is a reason why they are so lax and they want to hide it.

RiverOfLove · 28-06-2013 09:06PM

SeaFields wrote: »

I speculated on this with the crowd in work too. They released stuff and said they had loads more. Then it stopped. I thought they would release snippets and then have something really explosive for the sindo. Remember they already told us they had stuff with a top civil servant and something that would bring politicians into the frame.

Someone, somewhere is stopping it me thinks.

Christ almighty.

steddyeddy · 28-06-2013 09:14PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd say the Government are putting pressure on the Indo not to release any more tapes as it looks bad abroad. Bad for them of course.

I hope more comes out and our actions are put under international scrutiny. So many times in our past on other issues it has been the international community that forced Ireland's hand.

Busted Flat. · 28-06-2013 09:17PM

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Good god!

I hope the indo releases them to fcuk. I couldn't give a damn how it looks abroad or to anyone else for that matter.

Those tapes need releasing. We need to know what's on them,otherwise nothing is ever going to come of any of this. Our government were far to lax for the past two and a half years about this banking guarantee and this will push them into something, hopefully. There is a reason why they are so lax and they want to hide it.

Denis has called a halt to this, there are too many people that can be brought down with this. It is really cartoon stuff.

tayto lover · 28-06-2013 09:19PM

SeaFields wrote: »

I speculated on this with the crowd in work too. They released stuff and said they had loads more. Then it stopped. I thought they would release snippets and then have something really explosive for the sindo. Remember they already told us they had stuff with a top civil servant and something that would bring politicians into the frame.

Someone, somewhere is stopping it me thinks.

The other day someone on the radio speculated that a disgruntled Garda released the tapes to Williams as his investigations were being thwarted from on high.
That makes sense and the fact that no more tapes were released would indicate that there is pressure on the Indo too.

Too many high profile people involved methinks.

Grandeeod · 28-06-2013 09:22PM

I hate saying it, but Cover Up?

charlemont · 28-06-2013 09:26PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Denis has called a halt to this, there are too many people that can be brought down with this. It is really cartoon stuff.

Sick stuff, I hope its not true but I'm inclined to believe you..It seems to have gone very quiet too soon..Fúck this wretched state, How can any of us trust the authorities to tell us the truth, We're only the shít on their shoes..:mad:

SeaFields · 28-06-2013 09:26PM

Grandeeod wrote: »

I hate saying it, but Cover Up?

I dunno but when Williams gets hit by a bus this weekend ....:pac:

numbnutz · 28-06-2013 09:28PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The other day someone on the radio speculated that a disgruntled Garda released the tapes to Williams as his investigations were being thwarted from on high.
That makes sense and the fact that no more tapes were released would indicate that there is pressure on the Indo too.

Too many high profile people involved methinks.

I completely agrree with you but I also think that the risk management dept in the Indo have been reminded of the fact that they are in possesion of material from an ongoing investigation, if one exists by the Gardai, and this will surely prejudice any outcome of any proceedings against Anglo execs.Also the narrative from some in RTE, whether they are playing devils advocate
or not,seems to be softening the mood for the acceptance of nothing ever coming of this.

RiverOfLove · 28-06-2013 09:28PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Denis has called a halt to this, there are too many people that can be brought down with this. It is really cartoon stuff.

Fcuk

So, we won't get to hear any more tapes?

So all this fraud can be swept under the carpet and hidden and we'll turn the blinkers off and pretend it never happened while they continue to fill their pockets at our expense.

I hope Paul Williams tells us exactly why he's not able to release any more tapes?

A protest outside the indo office might be in order to push their hands at releasing the tapes.

Our government need to be uprooted and overturned.

The Anglo Irish Tapes

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