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Crime rates are dropping, CSO

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Only for emergencies, not appropriate in every situtation

    If it's not an emergency then look up the number of the local station and ring them to report.

    It's not very hard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    My beloved scooter vandalized 3 times and every time I went to the station to report it.

    But only once did I get a letter with a pulse reference.

    So maybe it was never recorded the other two times. Just put in a gardas notebook and there it stayed.

    Why do you get a letter from pulse sometimes and not others? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Have you ever tried to find a Garda to report a crime to?

    Try a Garda station.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    How can you possibly know this?

    I'm batman.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Valetta wrote: »
    If it's not an emergency then look up the number of the local station and ring them to report.

    It's not very hard.

    They don't always man the phone

    Try a Garda station.

    If your car is stolen, how do you get to one that may be 10km away?


    I can see I'm talking to city slickers here :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Try a Garda station.

    There are three stations within an 8 mile radius of where i live and you will only see someone in them once a week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    No mention of the white collar crimes, I see.
    I must get on the phone to them about that.............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    It seems it is not a crime to defraud the taxpayer by 30 billion or 64 billion or more, who really knows what the final bill will be.

    I'm a cynic and I just wonder about statistics.

    Maybe we could lower the crime rate some more by legalizing everything for those earning above 100,000 p.a. What purpose could it serve pursuing them. Looking forward and not back and all that crap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    To quote Mr Adam Ant: Whats the point in robbery when nothing is worth taking? There's f**k all left in this country to nick


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Boombastic wrote: »
    They don't always man the phone




    If your car is stolen, how do you get to one that may be 10km away?


    I can see I'm talking to city slickers here :p


    So you're not going to report your car being stolen because the Garda station is 10km away?

    Jesus Christ, maybe we should have a Garda station on every street corner - presume you'd be happy to fund such a proposal through a huge increase in taxes as it would save you a 10km trip in the event of your car being stolen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Sergeant wrote: »
    Someone murdered my neighbour last month, but the family didn't bother to report it as they knew the Gardaí are under pressure.

    Mmmmmm, smells like bull****!

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L_zjK7fTB18/UY4qkM_Ly_I/AAAAAAAAAcQ/3DF-c4SBy_c/s1600/bull****_everywhere-e1345505471862.jpeg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Yeah right:rolleyes: we've got a nice collection of standard issue letters from the superintendent, expressing his sympathy for us having been the 'victims of crime', or words to that effect. Each letter contains a contact number for us to call a victim suppport line if we want to. The thing is the guards know who the culprits are, it's always the same family. The guards know who it is, we know who it is and of course the people who have commited the crimes know its them. I'm sure they find it fcuking hillarious.

    We've had those letters for a few years now and unsurprisingly nobody has been charged. We've had to spend a lot of money on damage and if they ever do get caught and put on trial my husband's taxes will go toward paying for their free legal aid. His taxes are already contributing to their rent allowance, child benefit, dole money and fcuk knows whatever other social welfare benefits these scumbags are coining in.

    Is crime falling or is recorded crime falling?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    So you're not going to report your car being stolen because the Garda station is 10km away?

    Jesus Christ, maybe we should have a Garda station on every street corner - presume you'd be happy to fund such a proposal through a huge increase in taxes as it would save you a 10km trip in the event of your car being stolen.

    You misunderstand. I would report it even if it is difficult to do so. I wouldn't waste the emergency services time if I woke up in the morning and my car was gone. It's not a life or death situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭kupus


    Crime is down, ok. If you say so.
    Do people realise that stats can be massaged anyway you want by the various ways of wording the statement?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    It's a similar case in the UK, and there's a pretty good case for it being a result of lead petrol being phased out in the early 90's.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/violent-crime-lead-poisoning-british-export

    Apperently, even when you adjust for all sorts of other factors, the patterns of lead exposure and violent crime follow a nearly identical path, with a 20 year time gap.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    Thats wrong actually, assault is not downgraded to public order, and even if it was then how come Public Order offences are also down?


    because public order incidents are being down graded to attention and complaints incidents DA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,114 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    I'm deeply skeptical of the notion of crime figures in Ireland being massaged at the behest of politicians. The Guards would have a key part to play in the reporting process and I really can't see them going along with a process that would end up with massaged crime figures being put into the public sphere. In the current financial environment with their pay and jobs under threat there's no way they would let inaccurate crime statistics be published to make any politicians look good especially not Shattner without kicking up an almighty fuss.

    Also the notion that people don't bother reporting crimes is a very strange one, especially when you consider the general Irish public seems to have little reticence in kicking up a fuss and demanding the government intervene on a variety of trivial incidents. I've never heard of anyone not report a crime to the Guards [I have heard of plenty of cases of poor/inadequate responses by the Guards but I've never heard anyone say they didnt report a crime to the Guards]

    Obviously the Guards aren't going to be successful in terms of securing a conviction for every crime, but if you don't report a crime to the Guards it's a 100% that the criminal won't be found. Anyway is reporting a crime that long and difficult a process? From my experience it's a pretty painless process to report a crime. [As I said getting a satisfactory response is a different issue entirely but I really doubt that there are all that many people who have been the victims of crime so many times and found the Guard's response so poor that they have given up even reporting it. If anything if you have been the victim of numerous crimes/ongoing crimes I would suspect that you are far more likely to put the Guards under pressure and not be fobbed off if you have a 2nd/3rd/4th crime to report]

    There's also the viewpoint that even if the Guards don't provide you with a positive resolution in terms of solving your crime, by reporting every crime it give the Guards more information in terms of targeting resources to prevent future crimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭daheff


    How do you suppose crime rates should be gauged?
    Anecdotes heard down the pub?
    Threads started in AH?

    Actual crime may be higher than reported crime, - but this has always been and will always be the case. So if 'reported' crime is falling, it's not a big jump to say that 'crime' is falling.

    Recorded crime is falling. Possibly because of less people in the garda stations/less garda stations to report in.

    SV wrote: »
    Yep and less people on the live register, sure things are rosy in Ireland right now!


    Er, no.
    Less people reporting crimes and less Gardaí and more people emigrating.
    Looks great on the figures, the reality is very, very different.


    All I'm saying is that stats are numbers. Its the interpretation of the numbers that is the relevant part. People can look at this in one of two ways
    1- Woo hoo...less crime recorded
    2- Less crime recorded because less people bother to report it coz they know nothing will be done about the smaller crimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    But it's fallen in just about every category. Are people not reporting murders because there's no one in the Garda station?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    I'm deeply skeptical of the notion of crime figures in Ireland being massaged at the behest of politicians. The Guards would have a key part to play in the reporting process and I really can't see them going along with a process that would end up with massaged crime figures being put into the public sphere. In the current financial environment with their pay and jobs under threat there's no way they would let inaccurate crime statistics be published to make any politicians look good especially not Shattner without kicking up an almighty fuss.

    It's not ordinary gardaí on the street who massage figures.

    It's the supers and the management!

    No superintendant is going to take over an area and then tell their bosses that crime has shot up since they took over.

    Sure ordinary gardaí want more support and resources but middle management want promotions and bad statistics can ruin a career

    Tbh it's not just a garda issue, happens in any company with hard working foot soldiers and lying cheating middle management desperate for another promotion


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    It's not ordinary gardaí on the street who massage figures.

    It's the supers and the management!

    No superintendant is going to take over an area and then tell their bosses that crime has shot up since they took over.

    Sure ordinary gardaí want more support and resources but middle management want promotions and bad statistics can ruin a career

    Tbh it's not just a garda issue, happens in any company with hard working foot soldiers and lying cheating middle management desperate for another promotion

    Indeed, as David Simon, creator of 'The Wire' commented, as soon as sombody creates a metric to measure (on any walk of life) you can be damn sure that there are three people hired to figure out how to massage that figure to some advantage.
    The best, and most common, way of doing so in policing is 'reclassification' of crimes, so if you see a dip in burglary stats you might wonder at the sudden sharp rise in reports of an offense like 'trespass', after all, who looks at the statistics for trespass?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    love living in this crime free utopia w00t!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    love living in this crime free utopia w00t!

    Nobody is saying it is crime free, no need to be obtuse.
    But unless murder and unlawful killing are being reclassified as jaywalking then there has been a serious decline in them over the last few years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    love living in this crime free utopia w00t!

    Feel free to move to Cape Town or Caracas or Baghdad or Karachi or Maceio so.

    You actually live in one of the safest countries in the World.

    w00t indeed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    If you want to decrease crime rates even further, legalize abortion. It's not a quick fix, though, you won't see the effects for 16 or more years, once all those potential criminals don't make it too far beyond the first trimester. That's the theory, anyway, based on what happened in the USA in the late 1980s, after Roe v. Wade (1973)

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Feel free to move to Cape Town or Caracas or Baghdad or Karachi or Maceio so.

    You actually live in one of the safest countries in the World.

    w00t indeed.
    chill guy, i love living here, why would i move to any of those places? they are well dangerous


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