Crime rates are dropping, CSO

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 28-06-2013 01:37PM #1

So there you have it folks, rates for almost all types of crime dropped in the 12 months to March 2013.
Maybe those who persist in peddling the myth that our country is crime ridden and unsafe will give us a break from the scaremongering now.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0628/459431-cso-crime-statistics/

snubbleste · 28-06-2013 01:39PM

More like less Garda to investigate crimes and people not bothering to report crimes.

Gumbi · 28-06-2013 01:40PM

snubbleste wrote: »

More like less Garda to investigate crimes and people not bothering to report crimes.

Do you have evidence to support that secon assertion?

Frank Black · 28-06-2013 01:42PM

But, but, but, what about all the scumbags on the Luas line, and the knackers and the forren nationals?

caff · 28-06-2013 01:42PM

I would imagine that for the likes of mobile phone theft people only report it if it was insured. No chance of getting the phone back so people think what is the point?

Frosty McSnowballs · 28-06-2013 01:45PM

Sure aren't we back in recession now?

Urge to steal................rising!

SEPT 23 1989 · 28-06-2013 01:50PM

Crime has been dropping in western europe for the last 15 years

the media are slow to pick this up

d2ww · 28-06-2013 01:50PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Sure aren't we back in recession now?

Urge to steel................rising!

Carbon or stainless?

Sergeant · 28-06-2013 01:50PM

snubbleste wrote: »

More like less Garda to investigate crimes and people not bothering to report crimes.

Someone murdered my neighbour last month, but the family didn't bother to report it as they knew the Gardaí are under pressure.

Marsden · 28-06-2013 01:53PM

I'm just back from the Joy, time to buck this trend and start crime spiralling. I'm gonna download so many episodes of game of thrones it'll make Sean Beans crown spin.

Frosty McSnowballs · 28-06-2013 01:54PM

d2ww wrote: »

Carbon or stainless?

Ah fcuk!

Il be watching you. I will get my revenge in this thread or the next. :pac:

Valetta · 28-06-2013 01:58PM

A lot of crimes goes undetected.

There was a vicious assault on innocent people around the Stephens Green area in 2008, but it's only coming to light now.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 28-06-2013 02:00PM

snubbleste wrote: »

More like less Garda to investigate crimes and people not bothering to report crimes.

Silly comment, the statistics refer to reported crimes, once it is reported it registers on the stats. numbers of Gardai don't affect the stats.

jake_the_muss · 28-06-2013 02:00PM

Sergeant wrote: »

Someone murdered my neighbour last month, but the family didn't bother to report it as they knew the Gardaí are under pressure.

I was arrested two years ago for buying a can of coke in a newsagents

I guess they are less ran of their feet in some parts of the country :rolleyes:

daheff · 28-06-2013 02:10PM

All this report shows is that the number of reported crimes have dropped. It doesnt necessarily mean crime is dropping (or falling). It just means the number of recorded crimes has decrease. This is something that people regularily dont understand when looking at stats like this.

Frank Black · 28-06-2013 02:23PM

daheff wrote: »

All this report shows is that the number of reported crimes have dropped. It doesnt necessarily mean crime is dropping (or falling). It just means the number of recorded crimes has decrease. This is something that people regularily dont understand when looking at stats like this.

How do you suppose crime rates should be gauged?
Anecdotes heard down the pub?
Threads started in AH?

Actual crime may be higher than reported crime, - but this has always been and will always be the case. So if 'reported' crime is falling, it's not a big jump to say that 'crime' is falling.

wicklowstevo · 28-06-2013 02:23PM

actually what is happening is the incidents of crime is being down graded from crime to non crime incidents. ie burgerly to trespassing , assault to public order etc an old trick when ever the higher ups want to look good . And that's a political policy to jiggle the figures to show something that isn't happening. look at any news site and see if crime is really falling,

wexie · 28-06-2013 02:26PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

actually what is happening is the incidents of crime is being down graded from crime to non crime incidents. ie burgerly to trespassing , assault to public order etc an old trick when ever the higher ups want to look good . And that's a political policy to jiggle the figures to show something that isn't happening. look at any news site and see if crime is really falling,

politicians misrepresenting statistics? :eek:

surely you're not suggesting our most esteemed leaders would stoop to such levels as to furnish us with anything other than the god honest truth?

Frank Black · 28-06-2013 02:26PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

actually what is happening is the incidents of crime is being down graded from crime to non crime incidents. ie burgerly to trespassing , assault to public order etc an old trick when ever the higher ups want to look good . And that's a political policy to jiggle the figures to show something that isn't happening. look at any news site and see if crime is really falling,

Yes, that's a much better way to assess crime rates.

P.Walnuts · 28-06-2013 02:29PM

I really really hope everyone who posted on the Portmarnock "Riots" threads has had a goo at those figures...

There was so much hysterical rubbish on that thread

wexie · 28-06-2013 02:38PM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

I really really hope everyone who posted on the Portmarnock "Riots" threads has had a goo at those figures...

There was so much hysterical rubbish on that thread

Funny you should mention that as it's the perfect example, I'd say you'll probably find that there were a lot fewer crimes reported that day than there were committed.

Maybe we should ask some of the shop owners around Portmarnock if they'd bothered reporting the instances of shop lifting.

It's entirely possible crime rates have, in fact, gone down. However I'm pretty confident a lot of smaller crimes simply go unreported / detected so I'd take those (and any) statistics with a generous helping of cynicism.

SV · 28-06-2013 02:40PM

Yep and less people on the live register, sure things are rosy in Ireland right now!

Er, no.
Less people reporting crimes and less Gardaí and more people emigrating.
Looks great on the figures, the reality is very, very different.

Boombastic · 28-06-2013 02:40PM

Have you ever tried to find a Garda to report a crime to?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 28-06-2013 02:42PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

actually what is happening is the incidents of crime is being down graded from crime to non crime incidents. ie burgerly to trespassing , assault to public order etc an old trick when ever the higher ups want to look good . And that's a political policy to jiggle the figures to show something that isn't happening. look at any news site and see if crime is really falling,

Thats wrong actually, assault is not downgraded to public order, and even if it was then how come Public Order offences are also down?

Valetta · 28-06-2013 02:44PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Have you ever tried to find a Garda to report a crime to?

999 or 112.

B.A._Baracus · 28-06-2013 02:45PM

Old and grey wrote: »

Maybe those who persist in peddling the myth that our country is crime ridden and unsafe will give us a break from the scaremongering now.

I dont care what some CSO report says. The world can be unsafe and crime ridden

Nabber · 28-06-2013 02:46PM

I have no time to commit a crime, I spend most of my day listening to the Anglo tapes. Jesus I'd hate to live in the country country were those tapes were made.

Crime down in Europe, blatant corruption up 7billion %. That 7billion %, i just plucked that figure out of my ass.

gurramok · 28-06-2013 02:46PM

There are less young adults around due to emigration, we export crime!

P.Walnuts · 28-06-2013 02:49PM

SV wrote: »

Yep and less people on the live register, sure things are rosy in Ireland right now!

Er, no.
Less people reporting crimes and less Gardaí and more people emigrating.
Looks great on the figures, the reality is very, very different.

How can you possibly know this?

P.Walnuts · 28-06-2013 02:52PM

wexie wrote: »

Funny you should mention that as it's the perfect example, I'd say you'll probably find that there were a lot fewer crimes reported that day than there were committed.

Maybe we should ask some of the shop owners around Portmarnock if they'd bothered reporting the instances of shop lifting.

It's entirely possible crime rates have, in fact, gone down. However I'm pretty confident a lot of smaller crimes simply go unreported / detected so I'd take those (and any) statistics with a generous helping of cynicism.

My point being that people we claiming all sorts on that thread..

"You wouldn't see that in Poland" was my favourite, despite poland having one of the worst football holligan problems in the world.

Compared to the rest of Europe we live in a relatively safe society, people just lose their minds when something high profile happens, probably while reading the Hearld and listening to Joe Duffy simultaneously

Boombastic · 28-06-2013 02:53PM

Valetta wrote: »

999 or 112.

Only for emergencies, not appropriate in every situtation

Crime rates are dropping, CSO

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