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More fun and games on the LUAS Red Line (with added racism)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭jackal


    anncoates wrote: »
    That said, I understand totally where you're coming from as you would think it was Afghanistan listening to some of the widespread pants-pissing on these type of threads.

    Yes, how soft of those pants-pissers, wishing to use public transport without being intimidated/attacked/racially abused/robbed. Sure its only young wan's messing and the poor junkies having a laugh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Why can't Viola or the Gardai get a handle on this situation with the red-line?

    Viola doesn't work for Veolia any more, no point contacting her!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    godtabh wrote: »
    but also see alot more of the stormtroppers on the green than red.

    I love those guys. :cool: Scary as fook.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    But the southside is all posh no? :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason in some cases, I feel. Especially in terms of Dublin anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    dickwod1 wrote: »
    I do hope you were joking ... An oxymoron (plural oxymora or oxymorons) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms :D

    I think this might be one for the Spell Czechs.

    I had initially assumed that an oxymoron was restricted to word pairs but I had a look at the wiki and saw that this is not the case.

    After reading more, I'm still not sure that the phrase was an oxymoron, though. What was said was contradictory but not really a figure of speech.
    A figure of speech is the use of a word or a phrase, which ascend from its literal interpretation. It can also be a special repetition, arrangement or omission of words with literal meaning, or a phrase with a specialized meaning not based on the literal meaning of the words in it, as in idiom, metaphor, simile, hyperbole, personification, or synecdoche. Figures of speech often provide emphasis, freshness of expression, or clarity. However, clarity may also suffer from their use, as any figure of speech introduces an ambiguity between literal and figurative interpretation. A figure of speech is sometimes called a rhetorical figure or a locution.

    I also had a look at the wiki page for contradiction in terms (it's a pretty cráp page though):
    Contradictio in terminis (Latin for contradiction in terms) refers to a combination of words whose meanings are in conflict with one another. Examples are "liquid ice", "settled science", and "square circle".
    If the contradiction is intentional (rhetorical or poetic), then one can speak of an oxymoron.

    I'm not sure that the posters use of the contradictory terms was intentional or that they formed part of a figure of speech.


    Still, I must admit again that I knew nothing of all the above until I went digging.



    I also think that this is my most pathetic post to date and I've posted plenty of shíte here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    old hippy wrote: »
    Disadvantaged areas lead to discontented and disenfranchised people. Not to excuse any of the behaviour mentioned but this is not just confined to Dublin. Happens in cities all over the world.

    Nothing is done about it because keeping the proles fighting amongst themselves, keeping them marginalised and so on is better for the powers that be than to address the problem. Imagine the horror involved for the Govt if the masses got organised and turned their anger into something concrete against the politicians. We couldn't have a Brazil type situation, could we? Far better to keep the trampled down underfoot and faced off against each other.
    Conspiracy theories is thataway.

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    SeanW wrote: »
    Conspiracy theories is thataway.

    It's the way of most governments. They're not there for the people, you know. It doesn't take a conspiraloon to see that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    In all honesty lads I think the biggest scumbags on the luas are the silent chaps in crisp suits, working for banks and the state. While they completely ignore you on the oul tram, you can be sure they are doing you far more damage than any junkie can. So in essence the scumbag on the red line is up front (you know where you stand from the outset) while the scumbag on the green line is secretly plotting to destroy your entire existence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    old hippy wrote: »
    It's the way of most governments. They're not there for the people, you know. It doesn't take a conspiraloon to see that.
    Perhaps, but this thread is about the Luas ... and it's not a case of "the proles fighting each other" it's a question of scumbags fighting decent people - of all walks of life, "proles" and otherwise.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,827 ✭✭✭fussyonion


    I think this might be one for the Spell Czechs.

    I had initially assumed that an oxymoron was restricted to word pairs but I had a look at the wiki and saw that this is not the case.

    After reading more, I'm still not sure that the phrase was an oxymoron, though. What was said was contradictory but not really a figure of speech.



    I also had a look at the wiki page for contradiction in terms (it's a pretty cráp page though):



    I'm not sure that the posters use of the contradictory terms was intentional or that they formed part of a figure of speech.


    Still, I must admit again that I knew nothing of all the above until I went digging.



    I also think that this is my most pathetic post to date and I've posted plenty of shíte here.

    No, what was pathetic was me being smart saying I knew how to use capital letters-that was not called for and I apologise. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    I'm surprised at the amount of posts here that verge on the "oh but they're downtrodden and ignored by society so we can't tell them to stop acting like cnuts ont he luas or anywhere else" attitude. Fcuk that - ordinary decent people from all areas, origins and walks of life should be able to take public transport without getting intimidated, attacked or robbed by criminal or anti-social elements. They should have the right to bring their kids on such transport without having them exposed to junkies shooting up in front of them at 2 O'Clock in the Afternoon in the middle of our Nation's Capital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭randy hickey


    when we say "disadvantaged area" what do we mean?

    i would hazard a guess that there is a far higher percentage of people living along the red line who are in receipt of social welfare, rent allowance, medical card etc

    while along the green line there would be a far higher percentage of people who's taxes are used to pay the benefits that those on the red line receive...

    which area is disadvantaged again, i forgot?

    The last time I checked, the guys who have brought this country to it's knees,like those on the Anglo tapes that we've been listening to all week (and their political buddies) are more likely to be living in areas like those serviced by your beloved Green Line.
    10,000 Junkies plus 10,000 pikey scobes running riot through Dublin for a full year couldn't inflict the damage on our country that those b*stards from middle-class suburbia have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭KilOit


    I vote for when the Red line and Green line are linked that the HSE or whoever runs methadone clinics, place the only south Dublin methadone clinic at the end of the Green line so that all the free travelling scum from the Red line get to experience the Green line :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    The last time I checked, the guys who have brought this country to it's knees,like those on the Anglo tapes that we've been listening to all week (and their political buddies) are more likely to be living in areas like those serviced by your beloved Green Line.
    10,000 Junkies plus 10,000 pikey scobes running riot through Dublin for a full year couldn't inflict the damage on our country that those b*stards from middle-class suburbia have.

    So we shouldn't police the Luas lines because politicians and bankers are worse than scumbags and junkies?

    That's a fine logic you have there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    The last time I checked, the guys who have brought this country to it's knees,like those on the Anglo tapes that we've been listening to all week (and their political buddies) are more likely to be living in areas like those serviced by your beloved Green Line.
    I'm not at risk of being stabbed with a needle by a rogue banker, so, no, I don't think I'm going to keep my wits about me on the red line when someone in a suit gets on.

    The red line is symptomatic of the rest of the country. Lots of laws, no enforcement, endless numbers of "disadvantaged" who are allowed make the lives of those of us paying for their "entitlements" that bit more miserable.

    I can't wait until the lines are joined and we find junkies waking up in South Dublin. Some judges might not be so lenient when they're the ones traveling alongside them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,827 ✭✭✭fussyonion


    hmmm wrote: »
    I'm not at risk of being stabbed with a needle by a rogue banker, so, no, I don't think I'm going to keep my wits about me on the red line when someone in a suit gets on.

    The red line is symptomatic of the rest of the country. Lots of laws, no enforcement, endless numbers of "disadvantaged" who are allowed make the lives of those of us paying for their "entitlements" that bit more miserable.

    I can't wait until the lines are joined and we find junkies waking up in South Dublin. Some judges might not be so lenient when they're the ones traveling alongside them.

    The Red Line goes through the Southside too? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Zen65


    jackal wrote: »
    The thing about it is, on the green line you would feel like you could stand up to anti social behaviour and you would have a reasonable chance of being backed up by other like minded passengers, but on the red line you would probably either be outnumbered by knackers or the like minded passengers would be too wary of getting involved to back you up.

    That's a misplaced belief. Even in broad daylight on Grafton Street or O'Connell Street, it is unlikely that anyone will come to your aid if you are attacked, especially if you are attacked by more than one person.

    In fact, even if you are with a friend, you should not count on them for support if you are attacked. A large percentage of people will be too shocked even to help a friend.

    Z


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    I live on the red line. Never had a problem. No better or worse than the green one in my experience.

    Are you a hermit crab?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    So we shouldn't police the Luas lines because politicians and bankers are worse than scumbags and junkies?

    That's a fine logic you have there

    Don't remember anyone saying that. And you are conveniently missing the point being made.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    hmmm wrote: »
    I'm not at risk of being stabbed with a needle by a rogue banker, so, no, I don't think I'm going to keep my wits about me on the red line when someone in a suit gets on.

    The red line is symptomatic of the rest of the country. Lots of laws, no enforcement, endless numbers of "disadvantaged" who are allowed make the lives of those of us paying for their "entitlements" that bit more miserable.

    I can't wait until the lines are joined and we find junkies waking up in South Dublin. Some judges might not be so lenient when they're the ones traveling alongside them.

    You should keep your wits about you. While the point seems tongue in cheek, it has a lot of credence. Now let me examine your post in more detail as you have a problem with the general thrust of any negativity being pointed towards respectable up standing citizens.
    The red line is symptomatic of the rest of the country. Lots of laws, no enforcement, endless numbers of "disadvantaged" who are allowed make the lives of those of us paying for their "entitlements" that bit more miserable.

    I'll say to you that the Green line is symptomatic of the very same or at least something similar. A middle/upper class that deride those they perceive to be beneath them. A professional class that do the same. Making a persons life more miserable is not the preserve of the "disadvantaged". It spans all sectors of society. Its just done a different way.

    There are lots of laws and no enforcement. Corporate Ireland is just as guilty of availing from this. I'm currently paying and so are you for the "entitlements" of the endless numbers of the "advantaged" who have wrecked this country financially. In fact I would say we are paying more for their crimes than we do for the "disadvantaged" you have derided.

    So get a grip pal and explore the wider world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭randy hickey


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    So we shouldn't police the Luas lines because politicians and bankers are worse than scumbags and junkies?

    That's a fine logic you have there

    If you read my post again Foxrock you will see that it was made in the context of the one I quoted:
    when we say "disadvantaged area" what do we mean?

    i would hazard a guess that there is a far higher percentage of people living along the red line who are in receipt of social welfare, rent allowance, medical card etc

    while along the green line there would be a far higher percentage of people who's taxes are used to pay the benefits that those on the red line receive...

    which area is disadvantaged again, i forgot?

    And I can't quite fathom how you are able to derive from my post that I advocate not policing Luas lines.

    To quote your good self, that's a fine logic you have there!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    I'm surprised at the amount of posts here that verge on the "oh but they're downtrodden and ignored by society so we can't tell them to stop acting like cnuts ont he luas or anywhere else" attitude. Fcuk that - ordinary decent people from all areas, origins and walks of life should be able to take public transport without getting intimidated, attacked or robbed by criminal or anti-social elements. They should have the right to bring their kids on such transport without having them exposed to junkies shooting up in front of them at 2 O'Clock in the Afternoon in the middle of our Nation's Capital.

    Hear Hear sez I.

    To hear the Red Line's quite obvious issues brushed off with platitudes about "Disadvantaged Areas" makes me cringe.

    I'm living in Tallaght for 28 years,and at no point would I ever have seen ANY part of it as "Disadvantaged".

    What I have always seen,and continue to see,is significant numbers of criminally inclined anti-social elements who manage to insert themselves into the community and start a process of decay from the inside out.

    These people brook no interference and will use whatever means necessary to establish and maintain their dominance in their area.

    Tallaght is not unique in this,nor is LUAS Red Line,take a Green Line spin out via Ballyogan and environs to sample the evolutionary process,which most likely will equalize once BXD makes it across to :eek: BROOMBRIDGE !!! :eek:

    The issue is not the district,or any individual's hang-up over Psycho's,Junkies,Beggars,Bankers,Skangers,Gyppos or whatever,instead it is the sheer lunacy of allowing a Billion € modern PUBLIC Transport system to have it's parameters set by aggressive Anti-Socials to the detriment of everybody else.

    The Red Line Extension is a case in point,where it is all too apparent that passenger loadings particularly Off-Peak are worryingly low,with much of this down to the tolerance of the system being effectively hi-jacked and used for free amusement and other business.

    There's a reason why the Park & Ride sites are largely unused,and it's not all down to recession and lack of funds.

    Dublin Bus,had,historically,a large frequent and well patronized bunch of services both into and within Tallaght,with the service we now provide being a pale shadow of those....Ordinary folk finally had enough of the oppressive and often violent carry-on which eventually led to them deserting the service which led to that pale shadow we now have.

    Public Transport needs to be SEEN to be safe,SEEN to be Reliable and Affordable if it's to prosper and expand,but all too often what is SEEN on Red Line flies totally counter to that,and is resulting in the paying-customers making alternative arrangements.

    THAT is a defeat for those of us who want it to be otherwise :(


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    So far on the red line... A bottle thrown at the window, an altercation that lasted about 5 minutes (tram was stopped), a phone getting stolen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭kraggy


    Sad state of affairs when security is needed on a public transport system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    I travel a large section of the Red Line (4 zones) at least twice a day (sometimes four times) and I bloody hate it. I'd much rather get the bus but the only bus I could get only comes once every 75 minutes and takes much longer than the Luas in heavy traffic so it's not really viable most of the time.

    I think the main issue is the complete failure of security. There should be security guards and ticket inspectors on every tram, especially after dark. The security guards should throw antisocial passengers off the tram and be able to ban them from future journeys. Those who don't pay their fare repeatedly should be banned too.

    I've seen:
    - a tram stopping at Jervis late at night to let some junkies continue their fist fight, until the junkies got off. The security guards eventually got on seven stops after the junkies had left. Brilliant.
    - a gang of drunk lads on New Years Eve hassling everyone, pissing out the doors at every stop and throwing snowballs at other passengers. Security guards got on half an hour after them, shook their hands and turned their back.
    - tons of fare evaders openly telling inspectors that "Ahhhh I jus' didn' buy a tickeh, bud" and get away with it (sometimes they're made get off at the next stop, but not always), while more respectable-looking people who made a genuine mistake (an older man who didn't know "return" meant two journeys in the same day, a young guy whose Leap card didn't tag properly) get charged the standard fare.
    - a skanger sit beside me with his leg up on the wall (essentially barricading me in), talking to his friend who had a badly-concealed knife in his pocket.
    - a serious case of racial abuse that I've mentioned on here before, with no security present and no guards called.
    - junkies buying/swapping drugs in front of me
    - hundreds of cases of anti-social drunks/junkies arguing, fighting and hassling others with no security in sight.

    That said, I've never been personally threatened or attacked - I've just seen it happen to others. It also doesn't happen during every journey, maybe two or three times a week, depending on the time of day (9am is always nice - loads of seats and no junkies). I think if the security was more effective on the Red Line, a lot of these problems wouldn't exist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    If you read my post again Foxrock you will see that it was made in the context of the one I quoted:



    And I can't quite fathom how you are able to derive from my post that I advocate not policing Luas lines.

    To quote your good self, that's a fine logic you have there!

    Chip on the shoulder there Randy? I'm typing this from my bedsit in Rialto... next to the red line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    I'm typing this from my bedsit in Rialto... next to the red line.

    I don't envy you buddy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭scopper


    jackal wrote: »

    There is an air of menace on the red line.

    That's the one. I'm from Tallaght, live beside the Kingswood stop, and prefer to get the 77a than it. So that should tell you what you need to know :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    I don't envy you buddy.

    Not exactly foxrock all the same! As I said, I have no bias towards the green line, what I want to see is standards improving on the red line so it's somewhat usable by ordinary, decent people without being subjected to scenes of overt and widespread intimidation, drug-taking/dealing, urination, fighting and other criminal or anti-social behaviours for their trouble.
    AlekSmart wrote:
    Hear Hear sez I.

    To hear the Red Line's quite obvious issues brushed off with platitudes about "Disadvantaged Areas" makes me cringe.

    I'm living in Tallaght for 28 years,and at no point would I ever have seen ANY part of it as "Disadvantaged".

    What I have always seen,and continue to see,is significant numbers of criminally inclined anti-social elements who manage to insert themselves into the community and start a process of decay from the inside out.

    These people brook no interference and will use whatever means necessary to establish and maintain their dominance in their area.

    Tallaght is not unique in this,nor is LUAS Red Line,take a Green Line spin out via Ballyogan and environs to sample the evolutionary process,which most likely will equalize once BXD makes it across to eek.pngBROOMBRIDGE !!! eek.png

    The issue is not the district,or any individual's hang-up over Psycho's,Junkies,Beggars,Bankers,Skangers,Gyppos or whatever,instead it is the sheer lunacy of allowing a Billion € modern PUBLIC Transport system to have it's parameters set by aggressive Anti-Socials to the detriment of everybody else.

    The Red Line Extension is a case in point,where it is all too apparent that passenger loadings particularly Off-Peak are worryingly low,with much of this down to the tolerance of the system being effectively hi-jacked and used for free amusement and other business.

    There's a reason why the Park & Ride sites are largely unused,and it's not all down to recession and lack of funds.

    Dublin Bus,had,historically,a large frequent and well patronized bunch of services both into and within Tallaght,with the service we now provide being a pale shadow of those....Ordinary folk finally had enough of the oppressive and often violent carry-on which eventually led to them deserting the service which led to that pale shadow we now have.

    Public Transport needs to be SEEN to be safe,SEEN to be Reliable and Affordable if it's to prosper and expand,but all too often what is SEEN on Red Line flies totally counter to that,and is resulting in the paying-customers making alternative arrangements.

    THAT is a defeat for those of us who want it to be otherwise frown.png

    Excellent post!


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