More fun and games on the LUAS Red Line (with added racism)

anncoates · 26-06-2013 01:23PM

Dean0088 wrote: »

For a memorable experience - jump on the last LUAS from town on the red line.

You'll be greeted to the full menu of Dublins junkies,.

Rarely junkies on it very late from what I can see. They appear to keep more afternoon-evening hours.

dickwod1 · 26-06-2013 01:23PM

jackal wrote: »

Ah come off it. People from certain area's are stereotyped for a very good reason, those areas where poverty and unemployment are the norm produce the vast majority of troublemakers. The facts speak for themselves, that's why you will find the Guards asleep behind the counter in the station in Blackrock, but in Tallaght or Blanchardstown there will be a hive of activity.

Blanchardstown has a population of over 100,000 people or over 1/10 of the population of Dublin and Tallaght's population is 71,000 ... I wonder does that have anything to do with the "hive of activity" compared to Blackrock with a population of just 28,000 ?

homerjay2005 · 26-06-2013 01:25PM

listermint wrote: »

Used it since it opened, seen 1 incident of trouble where a guard chased a small kid up though the luas after trying to steal a moped.

Used the Greenline for 2 years seen 1 incident where a load of drunk tools got on at dundrum and started swinging out of the place.

What do i have to add to this ?

In my experience either line you can see incidents...

that is all

incidents is one thing, the amount of scumbags is another and being honest, for every 1 scumbag on the green line, theres 20 on the red line.

i know which line i feel safer on anyway.

26-06-2013 01:25PM

fussyonion wrote: »

You're living in your own little world my friend. Scumbags can be found in every part of the country, not JUST in certain areas.

Of course, that's why I said 99%, not 100%.

Chips Lovell · 26-06-2013 01:26PM

dickwod1 wrote: »

Blanchardstown has a population of over 100,000 people or over 1/10 of the population of Dublin and Tallaght's population is 71,000 ... I wonder does that have anything to do with the "hive of activity" compared to Blackrock with a population of just 28,000 ?

Ah now, let's not allow facts to get in the way of a good rant.

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 01:26PM

I am taking everyone's opinions on board.

I guess, for me, it's just the stereotyping that offends me the most.

I'm not naive-I know there are scumbags everywhere, they travel on the LUAS, on the bus, they walk around town, they loiter around shopping centres etc, but my point was that I didn't think it fair to say that a certain LUAS line has scumbags and the other one doesn't.

That's like saying "Everyone who lives in such-and-such a place is a scumbag". You can't tarnish everyone with the same brush.

anncoates · 26-06-2013 01:28PM

fussyonion wrote: »

Don't think it's fair to say the trouble is only on the Red Line, and it also pisses me off when people stereotype people from certain areas.

I'm really tiring of it; I'm from Tallaght, I consider myself to be an intelligent woman who is nice to everyone, helpful, polite and law-abiding.
I don't see how where I live has any impact on me as a person.

It's not the areas that are the problem; it's not *where* you live, it's *how* you live, so could you all stop slating certain areas all the time?

Yes, there's trouble on the LUAS, there's also trouble on Dublin Bus, trouble on trains, trouble in traffic-it happens, regardless of which route you take!

There is more anti-social behavior on the Red Line. I get it every day. I don't think there is enough for me to consider driving or getting the bus but it's there even if most of it is annoyance rather than outright menace.

It's always going to be worse than a bus as it's essentially free travel for junkies and goes through a higher number of disadvantaged areas than the green line. (That's not snobbery. I was brought up in West Tallaght).

That said, I understand totally where you're coming from as you would think it was Afghanistan listening to some of the widespread pants-pissing on these type of threads.

26-06-2013 01:29PM

fussyonion wrote: »

That's like saying "Everyone who lives in such-and-such a place is a scumbag". You can't tarnish everyone with the same brush.

I don't believe anyone is saying that. You seem a bit obsessed with peoples perceptions of you and of Tallaght.

The point of this thread is that there are far more anti-social incidents on the red line than on the green line, and that is a fact, in my experience.

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 01:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't believe anyone is saying that. You seem a bit obsessed with peoples perceptions of you and of Tallaght.

The point of this thread is that there are far more anti-social incidents on the red line than on the green line, and that is a fact, in my experience.

I'm obsessed? Erm, no not a bit.

I'm just not a snob who bandies about percentages left right and centre.
And the above bit, in bold, is an oxymoron.

kfallon · 26-06-2013 01:35PM

The Red Line is 'The Junkie Express'.....isn't there a methadone clinic there on Abbey St? They just use it as their vehicle of choice from Heuston to Abbey St hopping on and off as they like.

Full of scum!

suicide_circus · 26-06-2013 01:40PM

when we say "disadvantaged area" what do we mean?

i would hazard a guess that there is a far higher percentage of people living along the red line who are in receipt of social welfare, rent allowance, medical card etc

while along the green line there would be a far higher percentage of people who's taxes are used to pay the benefits that those on the red line receive...

which area is disadvantaged again, i forgot?

mcmoustache · 26-06-2013 01:42PM

fussyonion wrote: »

You're living in your own little world my friend. Scumbags can be found in every part of the country, not JUST in certain areas.

nobody is saying that.
you're either putting words in people's mouths or having difficulty reading.
people are saying that some areas are worse than others. that's hard to deny.

conorhal · 26-06-2013 01:42PM

kfallon wrote: »

The Red Line is 'The Junkie Express'.....isn't there a methadone clinic there on Abbey St? They just use it as their vehicle of choice from Heuston to Abbey St hopping on and off as they like.

Full of scum!

You can mark the sudden and steep decline of Dublin city center from the moment the red line started running. It's essentally a free transport system into town for every loitering junkie falling about Abbey St. It got worse as soon as the Saggart spur came on line and every traveller in, Cheeverstown, Fettercairn and Jobstown started to ride for free and abuse people for their general entertainment.
I use the red line daily and have nearly come to blows on more then one occasion with the anti-social element on it that just can't seem to leave their fellow passengers alone to mind their own business.

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 01:43PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

nobody is saying that.
you're either putting words in people's mouths or having difficulty reading.
people are saying that some areas are worse than others. that's hard to deny.

I have no problem reading. I also have no problem using capital letters at the beginning of each sentence.

mcmoustache · 26-06-2013 01:47PM

fussyonion wrote: »

I'm obsessed? Erm, no not a bit.

I'm just not a snob who bandies about percentages left right and centre.
And the above bit, in bold, is an oxymoron.

i don think that's an oxymoron. contradiction in terms perhaps.

Richard Hillman · 26-06-2013 01:48PM

anncoates wrote: »

There is more anti-social behavior on the Red Line. I get it every day. I don't think there is enough for me to consider driving or getting the bus but it's there even if most of it is annoyance rather than outright menace.

It's always going to be worse than a bus as it's essentially free travel for junkies and goes through a higher number of disadvantaged areas than the green line. (That's not snobbery. I was brought up in West Tallaght).

That said, I understand totally where you're coming from as you would think it was Afghanistan listening to some of the widespread pants-pissing on these type of threads.

If you took the terrorist aspect out of the equation, I would say a 30 minute bus in Kabul is much safer than the Red Line Luas for a male. It may smell and be a more uncomfortable journey but one thing for sure is that they won't tolerate anti-social or unethical behaviour.

homerjay2005 · 26-06-2013 01:50PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

If you took the terrorist aspect out of the equation, I would say a 30 minute bus in Kabul is much safer than the Red Line Luas for a male.

this should be up there for post of the year....kudos lad, kudos.

mcmoustache · 26-06-2013 01:51PM

fussyonion wrote: »

I have no problem reading. I also have no problem using capital letters at the beginning of each sentence.

nor do i but i'm typing on my posh phone during lunch break. caps are a bit of a pain.

Grandeeod · 26-06-2013 01:54PM

Wait until the two lines are linked up, then you Green Line hob knobs better get the armoured suit on and put the lattes in steal containers.

dickwod1 · 26-06-2013 01:54PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

i dont think that's an oxymoron. contradiction in terms perhaps.

I do hope you were joking ... An oxymoron (plural oxymora or oxymorons) (from Greek ὀξύμωρον, "sharp dull") is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms

o1s1n · 26-06-2013 01:58PM

You'd want to be mad if you think the green line has as much trouble as the red line.

I get the green line twice a day and have been doing so every day for 5 years. From Stephens Green to Sandyford/Central Park. At varying all times of the day. Only once in that whole time have I seen something which you could refer to as 'trouble'. The only other thing you really get is the odd fare evader or some loud drunken idiots going out for the night.

The red line on the other hand, any time I need to go to St.James's from Abbey Street (which isn't particularly far and I don't do very often) something always seems to happen. I've seen scumbags hurling racist abuse at inspectors and other commuters, so many fare evaders I seriously couldn't count, junkies shooting up, alcos boozing without a care in the world, folks smoking god knows what, scummers spitting on people, Gardaí chasing people onto the Luas...on the other hand, I've never seen the security guys do anything substantial about any of that.

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 02:00PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

nor do i but i'm typing on my posh phone during lunch break. caps are a bit of a pain.

I apologise for my comment.

iDave · 26-06-2013 02:09PM

I use the Red line twice a day and to be honest never have serious issues. Did have some auld wan sitting next to me get a bit dramatic with her grandaughter who got on after a few stops, 'the whole bleedin family ignores me' sort of vodka inspired whining.
A junkie sat next to me once, got on at Smithfield, had a very small dog in one of those reusable Tesco bags. The entire time talking to it and kissing it like he were Paris Hilton. Twas a bit awkard sitting next to it but sure at least it showed junkies can love other creatures.
A girl got on at Fettercairn a few weeks ago and sat next to me, didnt seem skangarish but decided to fall asleep on my shoulder, again like what do you do in that situation. She apologised and said she was pregnant, fair enough.
Do get loud teenagers who clearly dont pay and one time saw them 'happy slap' a chap next to me.
Theres also the odd intimidating looking characters that will talk loudly about their court appearance like its nothing to be ashamed of. Thats the worst of what I've had

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 02:10PM

iDave wrote: »

I use the Red line twice a day and to be honest never have serious issues. Did have some auld wan sitting next to me get a bit dramatic with her grandaughter who got on after a few stops, 'the whole bleedin family ignores me' sort of vodka inspired whining.
A junkie sat next to me once, got on at Smithfield, had a very small dog in one of those reusable Tesco bags. The entire time talking to it and kissing it like he were Paris Hilton. Twas a bit awkard sitting next to it but sure at least it showed junkies can love other creatures.
A girl got on at Fettercairn a few weeks ago and sat next to me, didnt seem skangarish but decided to fall asleep on my shoulder, again like what do you do in that situation. She apologised and said she was pregnant, fair enough.
Do get loud teenagers who clearly dont pay and one time saw them 'happy slap' a chat next to me.
Theres also the odd intimidating looking characters that will talk loudly about their court appearance like its nothing to be ashamed of. Thats the worst of what I've had

I just choked on my tea there. Lmao.

anncoates · 26-06-2013 02:10PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

If you took the terrorist aspect out of the equation, I would say a 30 minute bus in Kabul is much safer than the Red Line Luas for a male..

That's like saying if you took the human inability to fly aspect out of the equation, it would be safer to jump off a building with no parachute.

Celly Smunt · 26-06-2013 02:12PM

The only part of the red line that I tend to see trouble on is from heuston to busaras.Other than that I've never seen much other than the boring scenery.

Laneyh · 26-06-2013 02:12PM

For me the most surprising thing about the article is that Gardai were actually called and responded.
Verbal abuse and racial verbal abuse is sadly quite common.

It gives me small glimmer of hope that it was taken seriously

Richard Hillman · 26-06-2013 02:20PM

anncoates wrote: »

That's like saying if you took the human inability to fly aspect out of the equation, it would be safer to jump off a building with no parachute.

The problems faced on the Red Line Luas are

Heroin Addicts
Beggars
Drunks
Feral children/young adults
Thefts

1. The opium addicts in Kabul cant afford to use a bus
2. The beggars in Kabul cant afford to use a bus
3. There are no drunks in the open in Kabul
4. Feral children/Young adults are usually flogged off for sale to farmers and wont use the bus
5. Steal something in Kabul and you are KABUL. CHOP, CHOP!!!

Apart from terrorists (which I said to leave out of the equation). A bus in Kabul would be full of working people, commuters, people just trying to get from A to B.

It is a completely different case for women though unfortunately.

Celly Smunt · 26-06-2013 02:23PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The problems faced on the Red Line Luas are

Heroin Addicts
Beggars
Drunks
Feral children/young adults
Thefts

1. The opium addicts in Kabul cant afford to use a bus
2. The beggars in Kabul cant afford to use a bus
3. There are no drunks in the open in Kabul
4. Feral children/Young adults are usually flogged off for sale to farmers and wont use the bus
5. Steal something in Kabul and you are KABUL. CHOP, CHOP!!!

Apart from terrorists (which I said to leave out of the equation). A bus in Kabul would be full of working people, commuters, people just trying to get from A to B.

It is a completely different case for women though unfortunately.

You haven't been to Kabul recently have you?

Femme_Fatale · 26-06-2013 03:21PM

I get both lines when visiting Dublin, so not that often, but often enough to ascertain that it's plain as day there is more trouble on the red line. However I've never witnessed anything major on the red line either (although I know it can happen) just junkies being intimidating but not actually doing anything. To compare it to Kabul... oh lord such sheltered lives. :pac:

Leftist wrote: »

no racism in ireland apparently.

Of course there is, it's just that it's nowhere near on a par with Alabama, as some people like to pretend it is.

suicide_circus wrote: »

when we say "disadvantaged area" what do we mean?

i would hazard a guess that there is a far higher percentage of people living along the red line who are in receipt of social welfare, rent allowance, medical card etc

while along the green line there would be a far higher percentage of people who's taxes are used to pay the benefits that those on the red line receive...

which area is disadvantaged again, i forgot?

So move to an area where there is a far higher percentage of people in receipt of social welfare, rent allowance, medical card, seeing as it's at such an advantage. Except you won't. You'd piss your pants and would obviously prefer to live in one of your "disadvantaged" areas on the green line.

More fun and games on the LUAS Red Line (with added racism)

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