More fun and games on the LUAS Red Line (with added racism)

Foxhound38 · 26-06-2013 12:21PM #1

http://www.thejournal.ie/luas-red-line-racist-altercation-966037-Jun2013/

How come all the trouble seems to come from this line. I was on it last week in the middle of the day and I saw 2 junkies shooting up while sitting in front of 3 kids - the Viola security stormtroopers got on but did nothing about it. I've seen people pissing in it, innumerable drug dealing going on. Bunch of young lads threatening tourists was the one that almost annoyed me the most to be honest - at a time when we really need to be selling Ireland as a tourist destination, these little scrotebags start mouthing off at an elderly Asian couple because they wouldn't give them money/didn't have the english to understand what they were asking for.

Why can't Viola or the Gardai get a handle on this situation with the red-line?

McDermotX · 26-06-2013 12:23PM

Call Joe.....................ah, jaysus.

listermint · 26-06-2013 12:25PM

Used it since it opened, seen 1 incident of trouble where a guard chased a small kid up though the luas after trying to steal a moped.

Used the Greenline for 2 years seen 1 incident where a load of drunk tools got on at dundrum and started swinging out of the place.

What do i have to add to this ?

In my experience either line you can see incidents...

that is all

castletownman · 26-06-2013 12:26PM

I blame Love/Hate.

That Nidge Weasel is starting to get a fair few copycats

homemadecider · 26-06-2013 12:26PM

I love living along the Green Line. No junkies or scumbags. Red Line is full of animals.

godtabh · 26-06-2013 12:27PM

I use both lines regularly.

I've seen more incidents on the red than green but also see alot more of the stormtroppers on the green than red. I think they have given up on the Red line

Foxhound38 · 26-06-2013 12:29PM

listermint wrote: »

Used it since it opened, seen 1 incident of trouble where a guard chased a small kid up though the luas after trying to steal a moped.

Used the Greenline for 2 years seen 1 incident where a load of drunk tools got on at dundrum and started swinging out of the place.

What do i have to add to this ?

In my experience either line you can see incidents...

that is all

Don't know where you get on and off but that's not my experience at all, and I use both. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Green Line is without problems either - there can be a lot of, as you say, drunk eejits causing hassel. But genuinely, that's as far as it tends to go on that line, at least in my experience.

The level of anti-social behaviour on the red-line always seems to be a lot worse. And I'm not particularly biased in favour of the green-line - I live in next to the Rialto stop on the Red one.

Fukuyama · 26-06-2013 12:30PM

For a memorable experience - jump on the last LUAS from town on the red line.

You'll be greeted to the full menu of Dublins junkies, drunks, scumbags and low lifes.

Don't forget to buy your ticket. Someone has to.

Radiosonde · 26-06-2013 12:32PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

How come all the trouble seems to come from this line.

Do you really need an answer to why the line that serves the crappier areas has more trouble? Use red more than green myself these days, never really seen anything on it but full of knackery types. As someone else says, they need more security on it.

Jaxxy · 26-06-2013 12:32PM

I used to see incidents like that on the Red Line on a regular basis. A lot of what the OP describes; junkies disturbing the peace, intimidating other passengers, urinating in empty cans, etc. Veolia only seem to be interested in enforcing fare-dodgers during the daylight hours, and I've seen them completely ignore the anti-social behaviour noted above. They're wasting their time going after a lot of them, they'll give false addresses/names, and won't have identification to produce in order to be prosecuted for non-payment of fare.

Anyway, despite the Luas being extremely handy for me, I stopped using it a while back. Certain bus routes have their pitfalls too, but on the whole I'm much more comfortable and feel safer on them.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 26-06-2013 12:34PM

I used to get this luas to work for over a year and to be honest I found there was more "normal" people on it than anything else, yeah there was a few scummers but Jesus like, you'll have that everywhere won't you?

That said I once got the luas from abbey st one night, about 11 I guess and there were two tourists standing next to me, (later found out one was from Mexico and the other from Venezuela) there was these two young ones waiting and you had the guy come around with his cup begging. The girls told him to eff off, and then called him back on the pretence they were giving him money, and when he came back they knocked the cup out of his hands. These two girls walked down to the tourists next to me and laced into them "have you a problem with my friend you keep staring at her" and started with the threats. The luas came and the girl tourist was getting on the luas alone, but because the girls got on, she was afraid to get on.

Another time a drunk guy sat next to me and told me how the system failed him he'd just been released from prison and he hasn't a shirt to go on his back and nobody gave a fuk. Lol, all this with a bag of cans at his feet and him drinking from a cider bottle. The luas stopped at Jervis and security tapped on the glass and yer man goes "ah jaaaysus not again wha" got his bags and got off lol

NothingMan · 26-06-2013 12:34PM

I get the red line twice a day city centre all the way to Tallaght and although I have seen a fair few scrotes on it I have rarely seen anything you would call trouble. It isn't as nice a line as the green but it is not that bad either.

It is indicative of the areas it passes through so you will find some loud, rambunctious rapscalions but they are for the most part entirely harmless and I've never seen any serious incidents.

Radiosonde · 26-06-2013 12:34PM

Jaxxy wrote: »

They're wasting their time going after a lot of them, they'll give false addresses/names, and won't have identification to produce in order to be prosecuted for non-payment of fare.

Ah, they'll take people off and have words with them if they see trouble. They get to know who the troublemakers are.

Chips Lovell · 26-06-2013 12:34PM

I live on the red line. Never had a problem. No better or worse than the green one in my experience.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 26-06-2013 12:37PM

A junkie once fell back onto a buggy with a child in it, actually. The child got a fright obviously but the roars out of it. Then the mother started "ye frightened me child ye hurt me child" she never even tried calm the child, she was going to get the father of the child to kill this "junkie bastard" lol

Radiosonde · 26-06-2013 12:38PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Another time a drunk guy sat next to me and told me how the system failed him he'd just been released from prison and he hasn't a shirt to go on his back and nobody gave a fuk. Lol, all this with a bag of cans at his feet and him drinking from a cider bottle.

Well if he had booze his life must be grand so. It's not like the country's awash with cheapo brands of alcohol.

Leftist · 26-06-2013 12:42PM

no racism in ireland apparently.

Foxhound38 · 26-06-2013 12:42PM

Radiosonde wrote: »

Well if he had booze his life must be grand so. It's not like the country's awash with cheapo brands of alcohol.

Think it's a question of priorities - if you haven't the shirt on your back and "nobody gives a fuk", then why are cans the priority?

Jaxxy · 26-06-2013 12:42PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Another time a drunk guy sat next to me and told me how the system failed him he'd just been released from prison and he hasn't a shirt to go on his back and nobody gave a fuk. Lol, all this with a bag of cans at his feet and him drinking from a cider bottle. The luas stopped at Jervis and security tapped on the glass and yer man goes "ah jaaaysus not again wha" got his bags and got off lol

Ah, the aul drunken Dub life story on public transportation! Many a time I have been there Lexie, usually harmless and amusing once you get over the initial discomfort of someone invading your personal space with their alcohol fumes.

I get this on Luas as well as the bus, my Nanny always used to say I have a friendly face, which is why all the mad bastards sit down next to me and chat. You must be the same. :pac:

Radiosonde wrote: »

Ah, they'll take people off and have words with them if they see trouble. They get to know who the troublemakers are.

To be fair I've seen them do that a couple of times, usually with groups of young boys though.

Iano_128 · 26-06-2013 12:43PM

The red line serves a lot more disadvantaged areas and areas known to be where there's a fair bit of trouble (Tallaght, Clondalkin, Rialto, James' hospital area) I'm from Clondalkin myself, but I think it's fairly obvious by just looking at where the lines go why there's more trouble on one than the other?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 26-06-2013 12:47PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Think it's a question of priorities - if you haven't the shirt on your back and "nobody gives a fuk", then why are cans the priority?

That's it like. He had a brand new pair of runners on him too, that he said a farmer had given him for free... He'd give those snippets and then tell you, they'd fuk you out on your ear when your sentence is finished and they don't give a shyte where you go, or if you have nothing, the system lets ya down when ya get out. I would talk to the wall though so it was grand

old hippy · 26-06-2013 12:50PM

Disadvantaged areas lead to discontented and disenfranchised people. Not to excuse any of the behaviour mentioned but this is not just confined to Dublin. Happens in cities all over the world.

Nothing is done about it because keeping the proles fighting amongst themselves, keeping them marginalised and so on is better for the powers that be than to address the problem. Imagine the horror involved for the Govt if the masses got organised and turned their anger into something concrete against the politicians. We couldn't have a Brazil type situation, could we? Far better to keep the trampled down underfoot and faced off against each other.

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 12:55PM

Don't think it's fair to say the trouble is only on the Red Line, and it also pisses me off when people stereotype people from certain areas.

I'm really tiring of it; I'm from Tallaght, I consider myself to be an intelligent woman who is nice to everyone, helpful, polite and law-abiding.
I don't see how where I live has any impact on me as a person.

It's not the areas that are the problem; it's not *where* you live, it's *how* you live, so could you all stop slating certain areas all the time?

Yes, there's trouble on the LUAS, there's also trouble on Dublin Bus, trouble on trains, trouble in traffic-it happens, regardless of which route you take!

jackal · 26-06-2013 12:56PM

Red line just ferries a larger number of scumbags than the green line. Friend of mine minding his own business with his wife was punched in the face by a young teenager in an unprovoked attack, there were a bunch of teenagers with him ready to swarm in if he retaliated, so he just sucked it up.

I was reading a paper and a junkie just grabbed it out of my hand and sat down and started reading it, then proceeded to roll up his trousers and apply creams to a bunch of sores on his leg.

The red line is a magnet for scum, they just get on and off it and see what the craic is, look for a bit of trouble while they are on it. Lots of decent people have to use it to get around but the amount of scumbags is phenomenal.

The thing about it is, on the green line you would feel like you could stand up to anti social behaviour and you would have a reasonable chance of being backed up by other like minded passengers, but on the red line you would probably either be outnumbered by knackers or the like minded passengers would be too wary of getting involved to back you up.

There is an air of menace on the red line.

jackal · 26-06-2013 01:04PM

fussyonion wrote: »

Don't think it's fair to say the trouble is only on the Red Line, and it also pisses me off when people stereotype people from certain areas.

I'm really tiring of it; I'm from Tallaght, I consider myself to be an intelligent woman who is nice to everyone, helpful, polite and law-abiding.
I don't see how where I live has any impact on me as a person.

It's not the areas that are the problem; it's not *where* you live, it's *how* you live, so could you all stop slating certain areas all the time?

Yes, there's trouble on the LUAS, there's also trouble on Dublin Bus, trouble on trains, trouble in traffic-it happens, regardless of which route you take!

Ah come off it. People from certain area's are stereotyped for a very good reason, those areas where poverty and unemployment are the norm produce the vast majority of troublemakers. The facts speak for themselves, that's why you will find the Guards asleep behind the counter in the station in Blackrock, but in Tallaght or Blanchardstown there will be a hive of activity.

Of course there are ordinary decent people in even the worst area's, and likewise there are pockets of anti-social behaviour right next to some of the best area's. I don't judge a person by where they come from, I judge them by their behaviour, and a scumbag is easily identifiable as a scumbag, regardless of the actual area they come from.

Troublemakers generally take the path of least resistance - i.e. hanging around their own little area, causing localised problems. The red line now gives them an easy way to get around and cause trouble in the area's that the can easily get to.

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 01:04PM

jackal wrote: »

Red line just ferries a larger number of scumbags than the green line. Friend of mine minding his own business with his wife was punched in the face by a young teenager in an unprovoked attack, there were a bunch of teenagers with him ready to swarm in if he retaliated, so he just sucked it up.

I was reading a paper and a junkie just grabbed it out of my hand and sat down and started reading it, then proceeded to roll up his trousers and apply creams to a bunch of sores on his leg.

The red line is a magnet for scum, they just get on and off it and see what the craic is, look for a bit of trouble while they are on it. Lots of decent people have to use it to get around but the amount of scumbags is phenomenal.

The thing about it is, on the green line you would feel like you could stand up to anti social behaviour and you would have a reasonable chance of being backed up by other like minded passengers, but on the red line you would probably either be outnumbered by knackers or the like minded passengers would be too wary of getting involved to back you up.

There is an air of menace on the red line.

So you don't see scumbags on the Green Line?
Is there some sort of deterrent for them on this particular line?

26-06-2013 01:09PM

old hippy wrote: »

Far better to keep the trampled down underfoot and faced off against each other.

OK, but it's not just each other that they antagonise. Everyone is at threat from these proles/scumbags/knackers/undesirables/whatever you're having.

26-06-2013 01:10PM

fussyonion wrote: »

So you don't see scumbags on the Green Line?
Is there some sort of deterrent for them on this particular line?

That's right, 99% of the time you don't see scumbags on the green line. And the reasons have already been well articulated in this thread.

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 01:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's right, 99% of the time you don't see scumbags on the green line. And the reasons have already been well articulated in this thread.

You're living in your own little world my friend. Scumbags can be found in every part of the country, not JUST in certain areas.

TwoShedsJackson · 26-06-2013 01:22PM

It was in the papers a while back that Veolia's own stats had 75% of anti-social incidents occurring on the Red Line.

I get the Red Line into work most mornings about 8 and it's fine - because the trouble makers are still in bed. The few times I have to get it out in the evenings (usually get a lift out), I've seen a fair bit more aggro because these idiots are up and about at that stage.

fussyonion · 26-06-2013 01:22PM

jackal wrote: »

Ah come off it. People from certain area's are stereotyped for a very good reason, those areas where poverty and unemployment are the norm produce the vast majority of troublemakers. The facts speak for themselves, that's why you will find the Guards asleep behind the counter in the station in Blackrock, but in Tallaght or Blanchardstown there will be a hive of activity.

Of course there are ordinary decent people in even the worst area's, and likewise there are pockets of anti-social behaviour right next to some of the best area's. I don't judge a person by where they come from, I judge them by their behaviour, and a scumbag is easily identifiable as a scumbag, regardless of the actual area they come from.

Troublemakers generally take the path of least resistance - i.e. hanging around their own little area, causing localised problems. The red line now gives them an easy way to get around and cause trouble in the area's that the can easily get to.

I can see your point but for me, I would actually feel more comfortable living somewhere where the Garda were always around, visible and on patrol, etc.

I used to live in a village where the Garda station closed every night for a few hours and it was in this village where crime was hitting an all time high.

Cars being vandalised, houses being burgled-and all because the criminals knew the Garda station wasn't manned at certain times.

More fun and games on the LUAS Red Line (with added racism)

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