Did the celtic tiger kill ireland

old hippy · 25-06-2013 05:17PM

risteard7 wrote: »

Yes it opened the floodgates for immigration which in my opinion has ruined Irish culture. That's my opinion and i don't care what anyone says.

Right i'm ready for the racist accusations and the swan jokes......

How has Irish culture been ruined by newcomers, exactly?

Did we ruin other cultures by promoting "our" music abroad?

Irish culture has been ruined by immigration. Fancy that.

Duckworth_Luas · 25-06-2013 05:18PM

risteard7 wrote: »

Yes it opened the floodgates for immigration which in my opinion has ruined Irish culture. That's my opinion and i don't care what anyone says.

Right i'm ready for the racist accusations and the swan jokes......

Why did the swan cross the road?

The get away from you Herr Hitler!

old hippy · 25-06-2013 05:20PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Can you bullet point it for me how the immigrants are killing Irish culture because as far as I can see it's alive and well in all its aran-jumpered splendour.

It must be that damned immigrant music. Polluting the airwaves and driving musicians to the very brink. Not Oasis or any other foreign malarkey, no.

Ray Palmer · 25-06-2013 05:23PM

What happens in this world is people make untrue statements in the paper at the time and later on that becomes the historical record but it still not true.

The reason shops and pubs are closed is due to cost. For years small retailers in towns charged a fortune and had little stock. The world changed and nobody has to rely on these ratty little shops. Pubs closed due to smoking and drink driving laws. Nothing to do with increased money in the country and subsequent decrease. Pubs also increased their prices and reduced service.

The improvements to peoples' health may actually be seen as a positive as they drink and smoke less.

Having lived through the 80s things are nowhere near as depressing as then.

Boombastic · 25-06-2013 05:25PM

old hippy wrote: »

And the heroin epidemic in the inner cities, the unemployment levels, people leaving the country every week, crap and corrupt politicians and the sectarian violence in the north.

The 80s. Brrr. Who'd ever want that kind of thing again?

Sure we had no roads to get to those places, so they might have aswell have been on another planet

apollo8 · 25-06-2013 05:26PM

leonidas83 wrote: »

:mad:

Boombastic wrote: »

:rolleyes:

leonidas83 wrote: »

ScumLord · 25-06-2013 05:31PM

I grew up in the 80s and nobody can tell me things are better then than they are now. Perhaps people were living in blissful ignorance but we had feck all other than a drinking culture.

Our town has gone from something like 16 pubs servicing a town of 900 people to 8 but instead of those few pubs we've got two sports grounds, a playground that's not just a hole with building sand and broken glass bottles in it. A supermarket, two cafes and a golf course.

Peoples priorities have changed. Children aren't bet into submission like they were in my day, the church doesn't get to dictate what we do. Things are better, even in a recession people have more now than they did in the 80s.

Boombastic · 25-06-2013 06:05PM

apollo8 wrote: »

:eek:

Laneyh · 25-06-2013 06:07PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Yeah, I don't get why people think the 80's in Ireland was some oasis of gaiety and good living. It were proper rubbish with added sh¡t clothes and hairstyles.

And bad teeth, we all have lovely teeth now

I am pie · 25-06-2013 06:14PM

yoloc wrote: »

Nothing wrong with having a pint or 2 and driving. Its when silly people take it to far and end up with far to much in them, thats when the real problems occur. I remember reading the stats a few years back and most the accidents in drink driving where all caused by people well over the legal limit. not from people who were just over. I could even drink 5 pints and still manage to drive home normal but its something i would do now because its against the law and id lose my license.

5 pints and drive home....I hope to god you never ever do this again on any road anywhere.

You might think you're grand after 2 pints, but you aren't. You would be irresponsible, over the limit and driving with impaired reactions. The fact that all you can talk about is having a fag and a few pints says fck all really about Ireland. Is that what we should aspire to? A fckin fag and a few pints.

Fck sake cop on.

I am pie · 25-06-2013 06:17PM

risteard7 wrote: »

Yes it opened the floodgates for immigration which in my opinion has ruined Irish culture. That's my opinion and i don't care what anyone says.

Right i'm ready for the racist accusations and the swan jokes......

Accusations? I don't think we need accuse you of anything, you've made it perfectly clear.

dj jarvis · 25-06-2013 06:24PM

I am pie wrote: »

5 pints and drive home....I hope to god you never ever do this again on any road anywhere.

You might think you're grand after 2 pints, but you aren't. You would be irresponsible, over the limit and driving with impaired reactions. The fact that all you can talk about is having a fag and a few pints says fck all really about Ireland. Is that what we should aspire to? A fckin fag and a few pints.

Fck sake cop on.

ease up , he is talking about something that was the norm 30 years ago,
and as he pointed out he would not do it now.

lest we forget , 30 years ago , if you got stopped by a cop , the question would not be "have you been drinking?" - it was " how many have you had "

anything from 5 and under was seen as ok by any garda that stopped me
looking back it was madness , but thats how it was

Outkast_IRE · 25-06-2013 06:26PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

Yeah, I don't get why people think the 80's in Ireland was some oasis of gaiety and good living.

I blame Roddy Doyle

Agricola · 25-06-2013 06:27PM

If the "old Ireland" you're nostalgic for is just a nation of pubs packed to the rafters with daytime drinkers, then Im glad we have moved on.

Defiler Of The Coffin · 25-06-2013 06:28PM

yoloc wrote: »

Was driving around rural ireland and its not what i remember growing up. All these rural pubs closed down and nots a punter insight. Been round a few towns and ive seen full streets where all the shops are empty and calling to old friends houses to be told that they are in the other part of the world and wont be returning anytime soon.

I remember a time where you could go to the pub, have a pint or 2 and drive home, now any pub i find and enter, they are all empty. Not like i used to remember them in the last recession. Trying to find a pub where you can sit down, have a few pints, a cig and listen to a few boys playing away at our own traditional music is near impossible.

Most people i see on a daily basis are all unhappy and are popping anti-depressents like theyre sweeties thinking their problems are all going to disappear. Homes boarded up, empty ghost estates all over the country, houses people cant afford and the suicide side rate is through the roof.

WHAT THE FCUK HAPPENED TO THE IRELAND I USED TO LOVE!!

You make your own happiness in this life OP. Friends all emigrated? Make some new ones. You can still find plenty of pubs playing trad music and there's nothing stopping you having a pint and a smoke in the beer garden.

The quality of life in modern day Ireland is far superior to that in the eighties and I doubt there's many who would really want to go back. I certainly wouldn't.

It's regrettable that some rural communities aren't as active as they once were but Ireland is changing, people aren't happy to cloister themselves in the countryside anymore, you could take the positives from this and see that it will leave less people isolated in future.

Celly Smunt · 25-06-2013 06:51PM

Ringa ring a roseeeeey

ah sure everything was better in Dublin in the rare old times.

the_syco · 25-06-2013 07:19PM

yoloc wrote: »

calling to old friends houses to be told that they are in the other part of the world and wont be returning anytime soon.

Before the Celtic Tiger, you'd go to another part of the world to work as well. Only back then, you wouldn't ever come back, as flights were insanely expensive.

yoloc wrote: »

I remember a time where you could go to the pub, have a pint or 2 and drive home, now any pub i find and enter, they are all empty. Not like i used to remember them in the last recession.

I remember when pints were about £2.50, and you could get 4 pints of Guinness, a bag of Tayto, and get change from a tenner. Blame the publicans who want all of your money.

yoloc wrote: »

Most people i see on a daily basis are all unhappy and are popping anti-depressents like theyre sweeties thinking their problems are all going to disappear.

As opposed to what? Drinking their problems away in the pub and tossing themselves off bridges?

yoloc wrote: »

the suicide side rate is through the roof.

Not sure if totally true. They're just reported as suicides now, instead of one vehicle accidents, accidental hanging, accidental drug overdose, death by misadventure, etc.

bnt · 25-06-2013 07:24PM

As for the role of the Church ... the Association of Catholic Priests is complaining that Ireland has become Pagan and Materialistic. And it gets worse:

Most Irish bishops believe we have become a “nation of pagans” who bought in to the “evils of materialism and consumerism” of the Celtic Tiger era.
...
“But we are facing a crisis — a situation where there will be no priests in this country within 20 years. And we can’t claim then that we didn’t see it coming. What is most striking though is that there is no sense of urgency to do something about it.”

...

Th-Th-Th-Th-That's All, Folks!

apollo8 · 25-06-2013 07:24PM

leonidas83 wrote: »

:mad:

Boombastic wrote: »

:rolleyes:

leonidas83 wrote: »

yoloc wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::D

apollo8 wrote: »

Boombastic wrote: »

:eek:

:cool:

wp_rathead · 25-06-2013 07:41PM

yoloc wrote: »

calling to old friends houses to be told that they are in the other part of the world and wont be returning anytime soon.

You didn't know your friends had emigrated?

I remember a time where you could go to the pub, have a pint or 2 and drive home, now any pub i find and enter, they are all empty. Not like i used to remember them in the last recession. Trying to find a pub where you can sit down, have a few pints, a cig and listen to a few boys playing away at our own traditional music is near impossible.

Well it great drink driving and road deaths down, and the smokin ban in pubs is feckin brilliant imo
There are still plenty of music sessions in pubs around ireland

NuckingFacker · 25-06-2013 08:28PM

yoloc wrote: »

Was driving around rural ireland and its not what i remember growing up. All these rural pubs closed down and nots a punter insight. Been round a few towns and ive seen full streets where all the shops are empty and calling to old friends houses to be told that they are in the other part of the world and wont be returning anytime soon.

I remember a time where you could go to the pub, have a pint or 2 and drive home, now any pub i find and enter, they are all empty. Not like i used to remember them in the last recession. Trying to find a pub where you can sit down, have a few pints, a cig and listen to a few boys playing away at our own traditional music is near impossible.

Most people i see on a daily basis are all unhappy and are popping anti-depressents like theyre sweeties thinking their problems are all going to disappear. Homes boarded up, empty ghost estates all over the country, houses people cant afford and the suicide side rate is through the roof.

WHAT THE FCUK HAPPENED TO THE IRELAND I USED TO LOVE!!

The E.U happened. The experience of Europe under a United currency, a centralised policy forum and stifling red-tape killed almost every country it has touched. I would struggle to name one country today that has its original character left, or an iota of individualism, or a happy populace, as a result of E.U membership. It has been a disaster. See Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Ireland, etc etc for examples.

The Euro has pretty much also blighted every country it has touched. It is the Mcdonaldisation of europe - everywheres becoming samey, square and rule-ridden. Unemployment is rife and devastating, the rich are ever richer and the poor ever poorer. And more people are poor. The ability to survive by doing nixers or operating in the black economy is gone for the normal people, strangled by rules and regulations. Our governments say this is good. I say it is bad, and will get worse. People need to get by, it's sort of the point of life.

Someone will be on in a minute to mention how bad the catholic church was. I'll fail to see the relevance and will agree to disagree.

I am pie · 25-06-2013 08:34PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

The E.U happened. The experience of Europe under a United currency, a centralised policy forum and stifling red-tape killed almost every country it has touched. I would struggle to name one country today that has its original character left, or an iota of individualism, or a happy populace, as a result of E.U membership. It has been a disaster. See Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Ireland, etc etc for examples.

The Euro has pretty much also blighted every country it has touched. It is the Mcdonaldisation of europe - everywheres becoming samey, square and rule-ridden. Unemployment is rife and devastating, the rich are ever richer and the poor ever poorer. And more people are poor. The ability to survive by doing nixers or operating in the black economy is gone for the normal people, strangled by rules and regulations. Our governments say this is good. I say it is bad, and will get worse. People need to get by, it's sort of the point of life.

Someone will be on in a minute to mention how bad the catholic church was. I'll fail to see the relevance and will agree to disagree.

Greece is no longer Greece is it? They have any Greek culture left because there a handful of McDonalds in Athens? Spain isn't Spain anymore because what? ...it's square now? I think you are being incredibly dismissive of these countries without really having much of a point?

I really can't understand what you mean.

NuckingFacker · 25-06-2013 08:43PM

I am pie wrote: »

Greece is no longer Greece is it? They have any Greek culture left because there a handful of McDonalds in Athens? Spain isn't Spain anymore because what? ...it's square now? I think you are being incredibly dismissive of these countries without really having much of a point?

I really can't understand what you mean.

If you hang on for a bit, someone who cares will be along in a minute. Probably.

I am pie · 25-06-2013 08:44PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

If you hang on for a bit, someone who cares will be along in a minute. Probably.

Cheerio.

I'll just hang around and see if someone pops up with some sort of coherent argument instead of your misty eyed drivel.

Sofiztikated · 25-06-2013 08:45PM

Well, I don't know about the OP, but I had a cracking night out the other night.

Went to a pub that had a live acid house set, place was packed, people in great spirits, there was no chat about unemployment, or banks, or governments.

Some of my friends have gone abroad, but then again, they always have. We're a small island nation, our chief export has always been people.

I've got some great new friends, due to all the "immegants." Polish, Slovakian, Indian, Mauritian, Filipino, English, French, all top lads/lasses.

Yes, not everywhere has trad/diddley music, but thank **** for that, it's not my taste. But it can still be found, there's 2 pubs here that does trad, on different nights.

What is so hard about organising a taxi? Why do people keep harping on about "Oh, the drink driving laws have killed rural pubs!" You can be in Bumfúck, Leitrim, and still be picked up by a taxi in about 20 minutes. Aren't taxi drivers still giving out about how there's too many of them?

old hippy · 26-06-2013 12:17PM

There's nothing like a bit of bleary eyed revisionism, xenephobia and the like to make you yearn for yesteryear :rolleyes:

Where's the chap who says he's ready for the accusations of racism gone? Has he emigrated?

yoloc · 26-06-2013 02:55PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Well, I don't know about the OP, but I had a cracking night out the other night.

Went to a pub that had a live acid house set, place was packed, people in great spirits, there was no chat about unemployment, or banks, or governments.

Some of my friends have gone abroad, but then again, they always have. We're a small island nation, our chief export has always been people.

I've got some great new friends, due to all the "immegants." Polish, Slovakian, Indian, Mauritian, Filipino, English, French, all top lads/lasses.

Yes, not everywhere has trad/diddley music, but thank **** for that, it's not my taste. But it can still be found, there's 2 pubs here that does trad, on different nights.

What is so hard about organising a taxi? Why do people keep harping on about "Oh, the drink driving laws have killed rural pubs!" You can be in Bumfúck, Leitrim, and still be picked up by a taxi in about 20 minutes. Aren't taxi drivers still giving out about how there's too many of them?

HAve you seen the prices of taxi'x lately. I recently got one and it drove me about a mile(maybe1.5mile) and it was 9 fcuking euro.

ScumLord · 26-06-2013 03:01PM

yoloc wrote: »

HAve you seen the prices of taxi'x lately. I recently got one and it drove me about a mile(maybe1.5mile) and it was 9 fcuking euro.

I wonder how much of their costs is insurance and other banking costs?

I think businesses in this country are being suffocated by banking and government payments.

Sofiztikated · 26-06-2013 03:19PM

yoloc wrote: »

HAve you seen the prices of taxi'x lately. I recently got one and it drove me about a mile(maybe1.5mile) and it was 9 fcuking euro.

Yes, I have seen the price of taxis lately. I'm getting one now in a few minutes. It's coming 5 miles to pick me up, bring me 5 miles back into town, and it's going to cost me a tenner. Other taxi's charge €15 for the same trip.

After I've had a few scoops, I'll do the same again.

I also paid €80 to take 6 lads home on Saturday night, 30 miles, so a 60 mile round trip.

€9 is 2 pints, or 3 in my local. Diesel, tax, insurance, licence, etc etc isn't cheap. But a tenner in my book, to get me home safely and keep whoever else I meet on the road, after having a few pints, is well worth it.

ToddyDoody · 26-06-2013 10:02PM

We all know that there's too many people on the planet anyway and that the environmental damage and resource depletion needs to be reversed as much as possible. So if romantic Ireland is dead and gone, Id blame that ahead of the Celtic tiger.

Did the celtic tiger kill ireland

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