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The great big "ask an airline pilot" thread!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Joshsjmcd


    I've decided to go with the NFC,but could someone please tell me if I buy the voucher thing,Do I choose what day I can just show up and fly? or is a date organised and how?

    Thanks


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Joshsjmcd wrote: »
    I've decided to go with the NFC,but could someone please tell me if I buy the voucher thing,Do I choose what day I can just show up and fly? or is a date organised and how?

    Would it not be better to ring NFC and ask them directly? Unless a poster here works for them you cannot guarantee getting the correct info.

    Do I pre-book my slot?
    Do I pay in advance?
    What is the cost?
    Do I need to prep anything?
    Is there anything I need to bring with me?
    What are your opening hours?
    How long does the voucher last?
    Can I buy a voucher now and book a lesson in a couple of weeks/months?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Joshsjmcd


    Tenger wrote: »
    Would it not be better to ring NFC and ask them directly? Unless a poster here works for them you cannot guarantee getting the correct info.

    Do I pre-book my slot?
    Do I pay in advance?
    What is the cost?
    Do I need to prep anything?
    Is there anything I need to bring with me?
    What are your opening hours?
    How long does the voucher last?
    Can I buy a voucher now and book a lesson in a couple of weeks/months?

    Yes it would which I have tried,I also e-mailed them last week and they haven't got back to me.This is why I am asking all these questions on the forum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭tipperaryboy


    Hi all, I'm heading to LCY with Cityjet next week wondering what would be the possibility of visiting the avro cockpit taking photo etc and would two people allowed in at once? Of course on the ground in either DUB or LCY. Would be great to compare to A320.
    Appreciate any advice thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭paulmcgrath


    Hi all, I'm heading to LCY with Cityjet next week wondering what would be the possibility of visiting the avro cockpit taking photo etc and would two people allowed in at once? Of course on the ground in either DUB or LCY. Would be great to compare to A320.
    Appreciate any advice thanks.

    These requests are best put forward to the capt before flight to arrange for viewing after the flight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 beckett85


    Hi Lads,
    Just curious about the best route to take to becoming a pilot? It's something I've always wanted to do but was advised against it years ago, due to expensive training and a lack of jobs. I've a bit of savings now,but I'm in a bit of a rut career wise and trying to feel out some other career paths. Perhaps at 30 I would be considered too old for training?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Gerard93


    Hi Lads,
    Just curious about the best route to take to becoming a pilot? It's something I've always wanted to do but was advised against it years ago, due to expensive training and a lack of jobs. I've a bit of savings now,but I'm in a bit of a rut career wise and trying to feel out some other career paths. Perhaps at 30 I would be considered too old for training?

    Talk to these guys:
    http://www.afta.ie/

    Nice friendly bunch, went to an open night they had about 6 months ago very informatitive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭BrakePad


    beckett85 wrote: »
    Hi Lads,
    Just curious about the best route to take to becoming a pilot? It's something I've always wanted to do but was advised against it years ago, due to expensive training and a lack of jobs. I've a bit of savings now,but I'm in a bit of a rut career wise and trying to feel out some other career paths. Perhaps at 30 I would be considered too old for training?

    Depending on your location NFC or the above mentioned AFT are the best IMHO.

    On the issue of age it really depends what you are looking for. If you want to be an airline pilot with the likes of Ryanair, Aer Arran and Aer Lingus then perhaps your age will go against you. They generally are looking for guys who are young enough to do their time as a First Officer and then serve a good old slog at Captain. That being said Ryanair may take you, but your chances of moving away from them to another(better paying/terms) airline would be a little slimmer given you would need to be with them 3/4 years to build up the required hours for a move and I would imagine you will be touching late 30s/40s by that stage. However you would have a good career as a Flight Instructor or elsewhere in aviation if you just want to fly and airlines are not your prime concern.

    Most important thing is to not pick a flight school who are just looking to screw the F$$K out of you. The above mentioned schools are the best bet both financially and career wise. You are looking at at least a 100k investment all in if you want to get a job in an airline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭MoeJay


    Lots and lots of info in the links contained here:

    http://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/131649-archive-reference-threads-posting-guidelines-read-before-you-post-question.html

    Should pretty much cover every question you could think of...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    Hey lads, this was probably answered already, but how much say does the pilot have regarding takeoff and landing angles and speed etc. It seems that on Ryanair, for example, the takeoff climb is steeper (presumable to get to a more efficient cruse altitude quicker?), or is it ATC who say get to this altitude at this time, at this rate etc? Same for landing and approach?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    Hey lads, this was probably answered already, but how much say does the pilot have regarding takeoff and landing angles and speed etc. It seems that on Ryanair, for example, the takeoff climb is steeper (presumable to get to a more efficient cruse altitude quicker?), or is it ATC who say get to this altitude at this time, at this rate etc? Same for landing and approach?

    Each aircraft has a best climb speed. There are actually 2 termed Vx(best angle or most height in least distance over the ground) and Vy(best rate or height in shortest time).
    SIDs(Standard Instrument Departures) may stipulate that an aircraft must reach a certain height by a certain point to clear terrain or for airspace reasons etc. The same with STARs(Standard Instrument Arrivals) and Instrument Approaches. Generally speaking you will fly Vy or Vx up to FL100 and then fly a best climb speed that the FMC(Flight Management Computer) gives you depending on the weight or aircraft/temperature etc to cruise altitude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    Hey lads, this was probably answered already, but how much say does the pilot have regarding takeoff and landing angles and speed etc. It seems that on Ryanair, for example, the takeoff climb is steeper (presumable to get to a more efficient cruse altitude quicker?), or is it ATC who say get to this altitude at this time, at this rate etc? Same for landing and approach?

    Its not Ryanair trying to climb faster, any airline that operates the 737-800 would climb according to its performance capabilities at the time. Pilots and Ops would have chosen according to the most efficient rate that is offered in the FMC, probably the best they can achieve with the temperature, pressure and ATC/traffic/SID requirements of the day.

    If you think 7378s climb fast you should feel what its like being on a nearly empty 757! Wow those things can climb! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,008 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Generally speaking you will fly Vy or Vx up to FL100 and then fly a best climb speed that the FMC(Flight Management Computer) gives you depending on the weight or aircraft/temperature etc to cruise altitude.
    What input are you entering into the FMS to give you Vy or Vx up to 10,000 feet?

    We use canned speeds, 250/300/M.75, we have no options for Vx or Vy, unless you set a manual speed.

    smurfjed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    We use the greater of 250kts or Flaps Up Maneuvering Speed until 10,000' AAL, then accelerate to 320/ECON (usually around M0.83).
    Once above 5,000' AAL, we can accelerate if any speed restrictions are waived by ATC.

    Vx is displayed on the FMC VNAV CLB page, but is never used as it is usually very low.
    Vy isn't displayed, but is calculated as Vref30 +140kts until intercepting M0.82.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,008 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    probably the best they can achieve with the temperature, pressure and ATC/traffic/SID requirements of the day.
    actually it isn't the best, as in most aircraft they use ECON and/or Derates.

    Smurfjed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭ElWalrus


    Hi all,

    I'm in a position where I'm flying quite a bit, usually Ryanair. The last flight I was on was quite a hard landing, felt like the plane was dropped onto the runway. I'm just wondering, how much of a pounding can the main landing gear take during touchdown? For example, is it likely that passengers would be getting injured from the jolt of a hard landing before its at the stage where it causes damage to the plane?

    Just curious, as people would often think going through bad turbulence that its going to damage the plane. I saw somewhere once that modern passenger planes can withstand turbulence so bad that it would be more likely to cause injury to the passengers from luggage becoming dislodged, bumping their heads, etc., before the plane gets damaged!

    Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭Darwin


    I'm not an aviation expert, but on the subject of hard landings...my understanding is a landing where the aircraft is put down quickly is desirable in windy conditions or when the runway is contaminated (wet). Also I believe the 737-800 has a firm undercarriage and is difficult to land "softly" and where you are sitting on the plane may also affect your perception of soft/hard landing. No idea who kind of force the landing gear can take. I'll leave a better explanation to those who work in aviation :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    smurfjed wrote: »
    What input are you entering into the FMS to give you Vy or Vx up to 10,000 feet?

    We use canned speeds, 250/300/M.75, we have no options for Vx or Vy, unless you set a manual speed.

    smurfjed

    My statement was a little generalised so as not to overdo it on concepts. Vy is 200 up to 3000' and 250 to 10,000' in most cases. Vy is assumed to be between green dot(vx) and econ climb speed. Turbulence penetration speed is a good rule of thumb.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    As a pilot, what are some of the metrics you are judged on? Do some pilots for instance, burn more fuel than others? What would influence that?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    keith16 wrote: »
    As a pilot, what are some of the metrics you are judged on? Do some pilots for instance, burn more fuel than others? What would influence that?

    Are you a journalist from the Daily Mail investigating Ryanair by any chance?


    Safety and adherence to SOPs are the main yardsticks. Handling weather/tech/medical/emergency diversions and unscheduled tech stops would be another.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    keith16 wrote: »
    As a pilot, what are some of the metrics you are judged on? Do some pilots for instance, burn more fuel than others? What would influence that?

    Homeitis......:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Tenger wrote: »
    Are you a journalist from the Daily Mail investigating Ryanair by any chance?


    Safety and adherence to SOPs are the main yardsticks. Handling weather/tech/medical/emergency diversions and unscheduled tech stops would be another.

    Don't be silly! I work for the Indo :P

    Seriously tho, I do wonder do pilots come under pressure for how much fuel they use. Or are the flight planning systems ultimately responsible for calculating optimum fuel level?

    I was reading that generally with fuel there is a trade off between the cost of fuel and the cost of time - i.e. if time is "more expensive" aircraft will fly faster and burn more fuel? Or slow down a bit, take more time but use less fuel? It's an interesting trade off - what do airlines generally priorities? Time or Fuel?


    Homeitis......:)

    Had to google - that's mad. Does it still happen? I feel like this driving my car sometimes :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭LeftBase


    keith16 wrote: »
    Don't be silly! I work for the Indo :P

    Seriously tho, I do wonder do pilots come under pressure for how much fuel they use. Or are the flight planning systems ultimately responsible for calculating optimum fuel level?

    Ever heard of the Ryanair Fuel League?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    LeftBase wrote: »
    Ever heard of the Ryanair Fuel League?

    Nope! Sounds scary....

    Sorry to keep on about it, the fuel thing really intrigues me tho...so many trade offs....fly at higher altitudes = fuel saving, but perhaps more maintenance, and less cycles?

    They really must have it down to a fine art at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,008 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    fly at higher altitudes = fuel saving, but perhaps more maintenance, and less cycles?
    Would you expand on this?

    It is a fine art, but garbage in = garbage out, so unless you have relatively accurate fixed cost figures, the calculation is meaningless. We had some interesting parameters to add into the thought process, such as de-icing costs in the middle of summer due to wing icing, the lack of de-icing equipment in certain countries, and the costs of internal fuel tank damage due to heavy fuel loads on landing.
    Do most civil aircraft carry commercial freight?
    Oh yep, very lucrative business.

    smurfjed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Would you expand on this?

    It is a fine art, but garbage in = garbage out, so unless you have relatively accurate fixed cost figures, the calculation is meaningless. We had some interesting parameters to add into the thought process, such as de-icing costs in the middle of summer due to wing icing, the lack of de-icing equipment in certain countries, and the costs of internal fuel tank damage due to heavy fuel loads on landing.



    smurfjed

    Thanks as ever for your replies smurfjed.

    I was reading (perhaps unreliably so) that flying at higher altitudes where the air is thinner, means less fuel is used.

    However, since the pressure difference will be greater, this will lead to a greater strain on the body / frame of the aircraft and more maintenance / inspections will be required?

    Also, flying at lower altitudes has a greater impact on the engines? Maybe I have got that one wrong.

    Could you expand on the bolded above a little? Do you mean the fixed costs of fuel or all fixed costs?

    So when you are talking about "garbage in" (I do understand this term from a data perspective), do you mean all the inputs to the flight planning systems? Who is ultimately responsible for that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,008 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Flying higher does use less fuel, but this only useful to a point, there is an altitude called OPTIMUM altitude, this is where you get the maximum "Nautical Air Miles" for a given amount of fuel. So in an old fashioned aircraft, one would basically aim for this altitude, as you get lighter this altitude gets higher, so you climb with it, it might also help to slow down, but if you slow down it will take longer to cover the distance, so you have to assess your total fuel to cover that distance at the slower speed.

    To take this a step further you get whats called ECON cruise, this is based on a value called "Cost Index" that is entered in the FMS. Some airlines will have a specific CI value for each route, or they may assess the need for an on time arrival to be more important than fuel costs, this is due to missed connections etc.

    With Cost Index you ignore the costs that are not controlled by the hour, like paying for the aircraft lease/loan, insurance, airline operations administration costs, these have to be paid at the end of the month regardless of how much you fly.

    So you compare the hourly costs of the aircraft versus fuel, lets say its $100 = $100. But on a certain route fuel is expensive so it becomes $100 = $200, ouch i want to cut down that fuel cost so i fly slower, this will increase my hourly costs but reduce my fuel cost, so we end up with $140 = $150, in doing this we have saved $10 for that hour. It doesn't sound like a lot but our A320 fleet flies something like 10,000 hours a month, so over a year thats over $1,000,000 saving in fuel costs. Now considering that the costs involved are a lot higher than my little formula, you can see how these savings are worthwhile.

    As for Garbage IN/OUT, well ECON has to use WINDS to make an accurate calculation of time, if you dont enter real winds for the whole route, its not going to make a total accurate calculation, OK it will reassess each time it gets a wind, but from your planning stage it was wrong.

    Then the fixed costs, lets say an airline decides to include the cost of its operational staff in the formula, it would increase the fixed costs so it wouldn't push you to save as much fuel. This is why i find it funny when people ask on forums, "hey we are new to CI, what do you guys use"? It doesn't work that way, if one is unaware of how the formula works, then the easiest thing to do is ask Boeing/Airbus for a standard CI value that equates to your desired Cruise Speed, ie constant mach or LRC.

    Most airlines have an operational engineering department, who would calculate these values and submit them to the flight planning system as well as giving them to the crew.

    As to additional maintenance for flying high, we dont record the altitude that we fly at, so maintenance have no way of assessing if we flew high or low. Plus with the logic of the pressurisation system, the cabin is pressurised to a pressure regardless of the altitude, for example today we will fly at FL210 with the cabin altitude at Sea Level and the pressurisation setting will be at about 7.5, on the way back it will most likely remain at 7.5, but if we climb to FL320, the cabin altitude will increase to 3000 feet. Maybe some of the technicians on here might correct me on this, but AFAIK we dont have additional maintenance checks due to higher cruising levels.

    And now i have to go do an annual line check :(:(

    smurfjed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Wow, that's really comprehensive stuff smurf, thanks for taking the time to explain it in such detail, really appreciate it.

    I may have to read it a couple of times more to digest it so there may be one or two final questions but on first read it all makes sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭islanderre


    Cheers for that comprehensive post above smurfjed....... as posted by another poster; I too will have to read it a few times to comprehend it but thanks for taking the time to post.

    Hope the annual line check went well...... I'm sure you flew it (Pun intended!!!!!!!!)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Suasdaguna1


    Line checks....it's just theatre.....do it by the book.....keep things simple/stupid. Don't go down avenues that are unlit. Wish I could say the same about my recent bike test failure!


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