What is actually wrong with incest?

meeeeh · 23-06-2013 08:33PM

Lams wrote: »

Does homosexuality threaten the survival of future generations?

No. Not in such an extent. Try to think if tribal societies and people not seeing the need to travel to the next settlement to get laid. If there is genetic disorder in the family there is huge chance of spreading. The only society where people argue homosexually had an effect is acient Greece but I know nothing about it so I don't know how valid that line of thought is.

There is a whole pile of stuff about incest in cultural anthropology I just remember a bit from uni.

xxmeabhxx · 23-06-2013 08:34PM

I'd have to disagree with OP on a lot of the issues in his original post. I don't think incest is a natural desire most humans share. In fact my main reason for disagreeing with it aside from deformities is that if you do have incestuous feelings than there's some kind of mental issue going on. Think about typical parent/child and sibling relationships, they can be many things, some siblings fight/get along, parents are usually protective but they are almost always platonic. If it isn't then it probably means you have a mental issue because it isn't common or normal.

Lams · 23-06-2013 08:37PM

xxmeabhxx wrote: »

I'd have to disagree with OP on a lot of the issues in his original post. I don't think incest is a natural desire most humans share. In fact my main reason for disagreeing with it aside from deformities is that if you do have incestuous feelings than there's some kind of mental issue going on. Think about typical parent/child and sibling relationships, they can be many things, some siblings fight/get along, parents are usually protective but they are almost always platonic. If it isn't then it probably means you have a mental issue because it isn't common or normal.

People once said homosexuals had "mental issues".

If two people want to have consensual sex and no one will benharmednas a result then how can you say there is something wrong?

ElvisChrist6 · 23-06-2013 08:43PM

Apart from the defects caused by an incestuous relationship should they conceive, I think a big part of the problem is that you've grown up (in most cases) with this person in a familial setting, not a sexual one. Should a sexual relationship occur with a family member you've grown up with, it's just creepy. Simple as that really. Should the person not have grown up together, as siblings, cousins, children, the only real problem is possible conception. I don't know if it should be illegal, personally I have no problem with it being so, though I doubt you would be arrested should you consensually have sex.

As far as I see, it's not the blood links necessarily that make it creepy (again, as long as you don't have a child) but the familial setting.

Lams · 23-06-2013 08:46PM

ElvisChrist6 wrote: »

Apart from the defects caused by an incestuous relationship should they conceive, I think a big part of the problem is that you've grown up (in most cases) with this person in a familial setting, not a sexual one. Should a sexual relationship occur with a family member you've grown up with, it's just creepy. Simple as that really. Should the person not have grown up together, as siblings, cousins, children, the only real problem is possible conception. I don't know if it should be illegal, personally I have no problem with it being so, though I doubt you would be arrested should you consensually have sex.

As far as I see, it's not the blood links necessarily that make it creepy (again, as long as you don't have a child) but the familial setting.

So if two adults want a consensual relationship would you tell them thy couldn't because it's creepy?

WumBuster · 23-06-2013 08:51PM

ElvisChrist6 wrote: »

Apart from the defects caused by an incestuous relationship should they conceive, I think a big part of the problem is that you've grown up (in most cases) with this person in a familial setting, not a sexual one. Should a sexual relationship occur with a family member you've grown up with, it's just creepy. Simple as that really. Should the person not have grown up together, as siblings, cousins, children, the only real problem is possible conception. I don't know if it should be illegal, personally I have no problem with it being so, though I doubt you would be arrested should you consensually have sex.

As far as I see, it's not the blood links necessarily that make it creepy (again, as long as you don't have a child) but the familial setting.

Creepy is a bit subjective but i know what you are getting at. I think as well what you say about familial relationships. An intimate, sexual relationship is a different type of relationship to a family one. If you started an intimate relationship with one of your siblings and that sunsequently broke up, then it would be very difficult to just going back to the family relationship, thus you may become isolated from your 'clan'.

Camrat · 23-06-2013 08:57PM

Dude.....DO NOT BANG YOUR SISTER, Its not ok.

On another note i'm going to need a source on that porn you mentioned.....:)

Singularity 1 · 23-06-2013 09:35PM

Ohh great, camrat is back. :rolleyes:

kc90 · 23-06-2013 09:42PM

IM0 wrote: »

curious whats the scientific explanation for that one? sounds like something someone religious said once and everyone said ok tbh

every sperm is different and unique in EVERY SINGLE MAN< AND THEY HOLD DIFFERNT DNA DEPENDING ON WHAT MICROSOCEND YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. 1000 SPERMS ARE PRODUCED IN SECONDS AND THEY ARE ALLLL DIFFERENT so it makes zero sense, and like the OP said, places that have not been touched much by westerners and religions ride eachother like rabbits and there is nothing wrong with them. plus if you think about it, back in the day thousands and thousands of years ago you would be fighting you father to **** your mother. it makes 100% evolutionary sense, you keep the genes in the family and produce more of the same ones. but like I say we decided this was not the way to live anymore so psychologically evolved zand left this natural animalistic way behind. the only thing natural that humans do now is have bodily functions and sex, everything else is what we decided is going to be civilised made the rules and stuck to them...well most of us do, for those that dont we have jails

Have a look at the the prevalence of haemophilia in the European royal families.

ElvisChrist6 · 23-06-2013 09:50PM

Lams wrote: »

So if two adults want a consensual relationship would you tell them thy couldn't because it's creepy?

Nope, but that doesn't make it any less creepy!

Drakares · 23-06-2013 09:59PM

OP just rubbed one out thinking of his sister and he needed to secretly defend his shame.

Lams · 23-06-2013 10:01PM

ElvisChrist6 wrote: »

Nope, but that doesn't make it any less creepy!

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being creepy. So long as people don't infringe others rights they should be entitled to be creepy.

BillyMitchel · 23-06-2013 10:04PM

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

I think we have come to the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with it, and therefore it should not be illegal.

People will never take to the streets to protest against this law in a similar manner to say, the issue of abortion but over time peoples attitudes may change.

Dafuq are you smoking Tom???

Seriously lad, maybe quit Hollywood and live as a hermit or try you luck with a tribe or some ****.

Just keep posting on AH though because I focking loves your threads!!

Crea · 23-06-2013 10:20PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

The taboo against incest is probably innate. Some people feel the same about homosexual acts when they first hear about them. However disregarding your inate feelings and disregarding the fact that most people won't do this what is the rationale for opposing two siblings who - say - didn't grow up together but met in adulthood getting married?

This happened to a couple I know. Half sibs (daddy played away) and they found out when their second child was born with profound disabilities unknown outside of incest. It was very very sad as they were a great couple but the ick factor was too great for them and they split up. It is illegal for siblings to marry but I don't know what the situation is if they married without knowing they were related though.

Femme_Fatale · 23-06-2013 10:41PM

oldyouth wrote: »

Cousinstown in Wexford didn't get it's name by accident you know.

The Shelbyville of Ireland!

WumBuster wrote: »

If it wasnt wrong, everybody would be doing it.

No "everyone" would not.

Seriously - reams of "It's disgusting, you're sick ****ers, AH has reached a new low, I won't be back"; god forbid people would think it through and engage in discussion. I mean your opinions are fair enough, but it's naive to think it can only happen to sickos.
It's very unusual and definitely not ideal, but there are cases where people fancy their relatives and vice versa. Once they don't have children, while they'd probably be better off not going there, if they do have a relationship, it doesn't make the slightest bit of a difference to my life.

Ruudi_Mentari · 23-06-2013 11:13PM

is just too close to home. too close to the bone

I mean it is possible, but it's just wrong.

Wacker The Attacker · 23-06-2013 11:21PM

I'd say we're all off to creampie our grannies after reading this whopper of a thread.

Lams · 23-06-2013 11:23PM

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

is just too close to home. too close to the bone

I mean it is possible, but it's just wrong.

More of this "it's just wrong". There was a time it was acceptable to say that about homosexuality. Maybe in the future we'll look back at comments like yours as archaic.

Mr_Spaceman · 23-06-2013 11:33PM

ultrasonic wrote: »

Wow, got to be the dumbest post in a long time on AH.
Wonder if OP is actually the product of such a relationship himself.

He's just an attention seeker who needs to get out more as his regular trolling proves. Very, very sad.

There's some pish posted here but some people are simply fcuked in the head. Unfortunately they have access to computers and stuff.

Boombastic · 23-06-2013 11:42PM

Crea wrote: »

This happened to a couple I know. Half sibs (daddy played away) and they found out when their second child was born with profound disabilities unknown outside of incest. It was very very sad as they were a great couple but the ick factor was too great for them and they split up. It is illegal for siblings to marry but I don't know what the situation is if they married without knowing they were related though.

I predict a lot more of this will be happening in the future.

Ruudi_Mentari · 23-06-2013 11:43PM

Tom, take your filthy mind off your daughter I presume here because sooner or later, she'll be towering over you demanding answers if she's not already and then you'll have to deal with it.

EoghanIRL · 23-06-2013 11:53PM

Incest is just wrong . Also it is bad for our genetics . It would eventually lead to horrible mutation that would be passed on . This happened with the Tasmanian devils. Since they only exsist in the one place they interbreeded with each other resulting in horrid tumours and cancers that are passed on over generations .
Time to stop reading about science for tonight

Stereomaniac · 23-06-2013 11:54PM

I haven't a clue what you are talking to Tom about, or who Tom even is for that matter. Anyway, is there anyone here who is actually in an incestuous relationship, or lusts after one?

CruelCoin · 24-06-2013 12:19AM

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

The only reason I would condone incestual relationships is if the the relatives choose to have a child

Many people don't "choose" to have children.

There is no such thing as 100% effective contraceptives. They don't exist.

meeeeh · 24-06-2013 12:21AM

Lams wrote: »

More of this "it's just wrong". There was a time it was acceptable to say that about homosexuality. Maybe in the future we'll look back at comments like yours as archaic.

The "it's just wrong" comment might be unscientific but as far as I know the incest taboo is considered one of the most universal taboos if not the most universal taboo accross all societies. There are conflicting theories (nothing is set in stone in social sciences), however from the point of functioning society the incest seems to be way more significant than homosexuality. I know way too little about the subject but it is widely debated by Freud and just about any cultural anthropologist around. Different societies define incest differently but it's incest taboo is more universal than other sexual taboos so I doubt it will ever be compared to our attitudes towards homosexuality.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_taboo

Oh and exceptions are not the problem, they happen all the time, the universality of incest would probably be.

burgermasters · 24-06-2013 12:26AM

Sick just sick.

Camrat · 24-06-2013 12:27AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Many people don't "choose" to have children.

There is no such thing as 100% effective contraceptives. They don't exist.

have to disagree........click on link for 100% contraceptive.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6364/7dwq.jpg

Ruudi_Mentari · 24-06-2013 12:50AM

meeeeh wrote: »

The "it's just wrong" comment might be unscientific but as far as I know the incest taboo is considered one of the most universal taboos if not the most universal taboo accross all societies. There are conflicting theories (nothing is set in stone in social sciences), however from the point of functioning society the incest seems to be way more significant than homosexuality. I know way too little about the subject but it is widely debated by Freud and just about any cultural anthropologist around. Different societies define incest differently but it's incest taboo is more universal than other sexual taboos so I doubt it will ever be compared to our attitudes towards homosexuality.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_taboo

Oh and exceptions are not the problem, they happen all the time, the universality of incest would probably be.

Yeah I did get off, to a few of those Japanese "incest" taboo videos is just I like ladies, and I still feel inadequate in their presence a lot of the time like the apparent teenage boys therein so i found my self in that... awful, awful place altogether tbh.

But I hate to see people take pride, in their perversions and realize them in the flesh that's when I crosses the line for me from what should be quiet embarrassment with a mild sickness to flaunting evil.

pharmaton · 24-06-2013 01:49AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

The Shelbyville of Ireland!

No "everyone" would not.

Seriously - reams of "It's disgusting, you're sick ****ers, AH has reached a new low, I won't be back"; god forbid people would think it through and engage in discussion. I mean your opinions are fair enough, but it's naive to think it can only happen to sickos.
It's very unusual and definitely not ideal, but there are cases where people fancy their relatives and vice versa. Once they don't have children, while they'd probably be better off not going there, if they do have a relationship, it doesn't make the slightest bit of a difference to my life.

The ick factor is strong with this one tbf. I think it has been covered here before though so I can try to outline some of the issues that arose the last time if you feel it would help the discussion. ( I do get the ick too though but I'll do my best to try not let overwhelm my response)

Contrary to some earlier posts, incest isn't some natural biological response we try to repress because of social reasons, the ick reaction is not unreasonable when you consider the values we place in our family units, sexual tension has never been part of what many consider to be a loving, caring family dynamic.
The reasons for that may be due to reverse sexual imprinting which occurs where people who live in close proximity become desensitized to later sexual attraction (more commonly referred to as the westermark effect)

There is little evidence that (consentual) incest was common throughout history and where it does occur it appears to serve to propagate royal family blood lines (egypt etc) or political reasons. In fact was generally outlawed across the board. wiki has a lot more info about it

However there are as many genuine cases of genetic sexual attraction most of which occur between siblings who didn't grow up together and consequently never developed qualities associated with reverse sexual imprinting. It's understandable in such situations why there would be sexual attraction and it's more common than we think.

Anyway..yeah, gah.

tldr: I suppose many people respond with the ick factor because we think of family dynamics in a much more profound (meaningful) way and consider it to be a greatly different bond and independent of our sexual needs.

MadameGascar · 24-06-2013 02:26AM

Its also very lazy

What is actually wrong with incest?

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