What is actually wrong with incest?

Tom_Cruise

Why is incest bad? Just because the media etc portray it as taboo, does not mean it's bad.

The only reason I would condone incestual relationships is if the the relatives choose to have a child, this is unfair as it is likely the baby may develop deformities. Only in this scenario is it a crime. Just like rape, murder etc are all crimes because they impose a negative cost to society and the individuals involved. Otherwise, I really don't mind if a brother and sister decide to have sex.

Take a step back and think about it for a second, you only think it's wrong because you're told it's wrong. Incest was practiced for hundreds of years in the royal family. Many indigenous tribes still practice it, because they aren't exposed to media etc telling them what's right or wrong. They act on human nature, and frankly, incest is a desire most humans share. Hence, the abundance of incest themed porn produced. Even freud himself said young boys fall in love with their mothers, and young girls fall in love with their fathers. It's human nature, so why condemn it. It's not harming anybody.

I really don't understand why consensual incestual relations are illegal either.

PizzamanIRL

What is actually wrong with you?

Ten of Swords

You're not a member of a royal household are you?

krudler

We can't have any more Joffrey's running around the place, one is enough, odious little wanker.

Mr.Crinklewood

My sister is ugly.

podgemonster

krudler wrote: »

We can't have any more Joffrey's running around the place, one is enough, odious little wanker.

That is your KING you are talking about, traitor! Off with his head!!! :mad:

Zaph

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

The only reason I would condone incestual relationships is if the the relatives choose to have a child

I'm really hoping you mean you wouldn't condone it.

Augmerson

It leads to inbreeding and weakening of the human DNA pool.

Wabbit Ears

how about no

Omackeral

Going down on your sister is a lot like drinking non alcoholic beer.

Sure it would taste the same but it's just wrong.

dodderangler

I know this is AH but seriously? Incest!?

aidoh

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

frankly, incest is a desire most humans share.

Speak for yourself.

IM0

Ill see your incest and raise you rape! whats wrong with that? nothing! just like incest, its natural but we decided these things arent civilised so its againt the rules now, otherwise everybody would just runaround raping eachother and there would be no work getting done

ultrasonic

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Why is incest bad? Just because the media etc portray it as taboo, does not mean it's bad.

The only reason I would condone incestual relationships is if the the relatives choose to have a child, this is unfair as it is likely the baby may develop deformities. Only in this scenario is it a crime. Just like rape, murder etc are all crimes because they impose a negative cost to society and the individuals involved. Otherwise, I really don't mind if a brother and sister decide to have sex.

Take a step back and think about it for a second, you only think it's wrong because you're told it's wrong. Incest was practiced for hundreds of years in the royal family. Many indigenous tribes still practice it, because they aren't exposed to media etc telling them what's right or wrong. They act on human nature, and frankly, incest is a desire most humans share. Hence, the abundance of incest themed porn produced. Even freud himself said young boys fall in love with their mothers, and young girls fall in love with their fathers. It's human nature, so why condemn it. It's not harming anybody.

I really don't understand why consensual incestual relations are illegal either.

Wow, got to be the dumbest post in a long time on AH.
Wonder if OP is actually the product of such a relationship himself.

M442

I don't know why you are blaming the media for this one, incest is the international taboo!!!! Pretty much every group of people in every part of the world, different religions and languages, decided incest was wrong. In royal families they married cousins, but I don't think they got involved with siblings!!!

Einhard

Ummm, pretty certain most peoople don't desire incest. We've evolved to be abhorred by the idea because it would lead to deformities, and reduce the chance of passing on our genes through successful reproducton.

However, while I'm pretty uncomfortable about the idea, I don't think my personal biases or prejedices should stop two people living their lves as they see fit- as long as they don't harm others, or society. If two people are related, and wish to have a consensual relationship without children, then I think they should be allowed to.

Most Psychologists have dismissed Freud as a pervert and a weirdo but he opened the door for study that's why his name is still known.
Citing Freud as a backup is even weirder.

daddyorchips

On the other hand what is wrong with beastiality?

Reamer Fanny

Oh dear lord

IM0

shelbyville is better, they marry thier cousins over there arrrrrrrrrrrrrr

inmyday

IM0 wrote: »

Ill see your incest and raise you rape! whats wrong with that? nothing! just like incest, its natural but we decided these things arent civilised so its againt the rules now, otherwise everybody would just runaround raping eachother and there would be no work getting done

What the actual fugde?
What drug are you on?
Jokes are jokes. But then there is weird.

PizzamanIRL

Kind of baffled how you though about creating an incest thread on a Sunday afternoon.

Ten of Swords

IM0 wrote: »

Ill see your incest and raise you rape

Wow, this thread got ugly fast :eek:

daddyorchips

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Kind of baffled how you though about creating an incest thread on a Sunday afternoon.

if you believe the bible we are all related anyway so it must be gods will

IM0

Einhard wrote: »

Ummm, pretty certain most peoople don't desire incest. We've evolved to be abhorred by the idea because it would lead to deformities, and reduce the chance of passing on our genes through successful reproducton.
.

curious whats the scientific explanation for that one? sounds like something someone religious said once and everyone said ok tbh

every sperm is different and unique in EVERY SINGLE MAN< AND THEY HOLD DIFFERNT DNA DEPENDING ON WHAT MICROSOCEND YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. 1000 SPERMS ARE PRODUCED IN SECONDS AND THEY ARE ALLLL DIFFERENT so it makes zero sense, and like the OP said, places that have not been touched much by westerners and religions ride eachother like rabbits and there is nothing wrong with them. plus if you think about it, back in the day thousands and thousands of years ago you would be fighting you father to **** your mother. it makes 100% evolutionary sense, you keep the genes in the family and produce more of the same ones. but like I say we decided this was not the way to live anymore so psychologically evolved zand left this natural animalistic way behind. the only thing natural that humans do now is have bodily functions and sex, everything else is what we decided is going to be civilised made the rules and stuck to them...well most of us do, for those that dont we have jails

Femme_Fatale

daddyorchips wrote: »

On the other hand what is wrong with beastiality?

Animals can't consent.

If consenting adults want to embark on an incestuous relationship and don't have kids, what actually is the issue though? I know it's against the norm and it disgusts people, but what are the reasons for this?

daddyorchips

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Animals can't consent.

If consenting adults want to embark on an incestuous relationship and don't have kids, what actually is the issue though? I know it's against the norm and it disgusts people, but what are the reasons for this?

my dog humps my leg all the time is that not consent ?

philstar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDbe0WD-aMI

yore

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

My sister is ugly.

yeah, to be expected as I suppose it obviously runs in your family, but to be fair she lets me do whatever I want. And I'm getting great use out of those three brown, head-sized, paper bags

Reamer Fanny

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Kind of baffled how you though about creating an incest thread on a Sunday afternoon.

I think the OP was staring at his sister a little too long

PizzamanIRL

One of OP's recent threads http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84760608

Uh-oh, watch out Tom's sister and mother.

yore

M442 wrote: »

I don't know why you are blaming the media for this one, incest is the international taboo!!!! Pretty much every group of people in every part of the world ,except Offaly, different religions and languages, decided incest was wrong. In royal families they married cousins, but I don't think they got involved with siblings!!!

FYP

fussyonion

OP you're always on here creating weird threads, but this takes the biscuit.
We don't all have a natural desire to be incestuous and if you do, I'm afraid that puts you in a minority.

caustic 1

Maybe Mr Cruise is trying to tell us something.

Chucken

caustic 1 wrote: »

Maybe Mr Cruise is trying to tell us something.

I've been wondering for a while what exactly he is trying to tell us

Strange!

daddyorchips

Chucken wrote: »

I've been wondering for a while what exactly he is trying to tell us

Strange!

he is trying to tell us his sister is mad for it

bnt

I'm amazed at how short-sighted people can be, to even ask such questions. It reflects a total ignorance of history. We have things good these days, so we forget that actions have real consequences that have nothing to do with "morals" or "norms".

Last week we had "why is it bad to be a slut?", and the simple answer is STDs. We may take antibiotics for granted, but they are a relatively-recent invention, so it's not surprising that the stigma remains. (As it should: prevention is always better than any possible cure.)

So with incest, the real risk is of inbreeding, with birth deformities etc. Sure, these days you can use contraceptives, but (once again) that's a recent development. It's a bad idea for objective reasons, no "morals" required.

The "ick factor" evolved because it helps to keep us from things that are stupid, even if why it's stupid is not immediately obvious. If you're going to remain ignorant of history and science, instinct is all you can rely on. :rolleyes:

harry Bailey esq

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Why is incest bad? Just because the media etc portray it as taboo, does not mean it's bad.

The only reason I would condone incestual relationships is if the the relatives choose to have a child, this is unfair as it is likely the baby may develop deformities. Only in this scenario is it a crime. Just like rape, murder etc are all crimes because they impose a negative cost to society and the individuals involved. Otherwise, I really don't mind if a brother and sister decide to have sex.

Take a step back and think about it for a second, you only think it's wrong because you're told it's wrong. Incest was practiced for hundreds of years in the royal family. Many indigenous tribes still practice it, because they aren't exposed to media etc telling them what's right or wrong. They act on human nature, and frankly, incest is a desire most humans share. Hence, the abundance of incest themed porn produced. Even freud himself said young boys fall in love with their mothers, and young girls fall in love with their fathers. It's human nature, so why condemn it. It's not harming anybody.

I really don't understand why consensual incestual relations are illegal either.

that scienctology lark is messing up your head boyo!

downonthefarm

despite what the song suggests incest is NOT the best and you would be extremely ill advised to put your sister to the test

harry Bailey esq

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

One of OP's recent threads http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=84760608

Uh-oh, watch out Tom's sister and mother.

or his brother :eek:

IM0

bnt wrote: »

I'm amazed at how short-sighted people can be, to even ask such questions. It reflects a total ignorance of history. We have things good these days, so we forget that actions have real consequences that have nothing to do with "morals" or "norms".

Last week we had "why is it bad to be a slut?", and the simple answer is STDs. We may take antibiotics for granted, but they are a relatively-recent invention, so it's not surprising that the stigma remains. (As it should: prevention is always better than any possible cure.)

So with incest, the real risk is of inbreeding, with birth deformities etc . Sure, these days you can use contraceptives, but (once again) that's a recent development. It's a bad idea for objective reasons, no "morals" required.

The "ick factor" evolved because it helps to keep us from things that are stupid, even if why it's stupid is not immediately obvious. If you're going to remain ignorant of history and science, instinct is all you can rely on. :rolleyes:

links to studies mofo or gtfo, and no words dont count on a biast website somewhere, ACTUAL studies and you know...evidence....whidh isnt anecdotal

yore

downonthefarm wrote: »

despite what the song suggests incest is NOT the best and you would be extremely ill advised to put your sister to the test

Sounds like a man who knows what he's talking about.

That was even before I noticed the username!!

Logical Fallacy

OP's sister is obviously a complete ride.

mentalist101

Its wrong, besides Incest involves more than brothers and sisters.

Imagine parents grooming their children into having sex with them since they are young and they start to believe its grand when they are older and give 'consent' to the act.

Or the case of the Man who wanted to have only daughters to add to his harem, as Fathers have to have the first taste *yuck*

Anita Blow

IM0 wrote: »

curious whats the scientific explanation for that one? sounds like something someone religious said once and everyone said ok tbh

every sperm is different and unique in EVERY SINGLE MAN< AND THEY HOLD DIFFERNT DNA DEPENDING ON WHAT MICROSOCEND YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN. 1000 SPERMS ARE PRODUCED IN SECONDS AND THEY ARE ALLLL DIFFERENT so it makes zero sense, and like the OP said, places that have not been touched much by westerners and religions ride eachother like rabbits and there is nothing wrong with them. plus if you think about it, back in the day thousands and thousands of years ago you would be fighting you father to **** your mother. it makes 100% evolutionary sense, you keep the genes in the family and produce more of the same ones. but like I say we decided this was not the way to live anymore so psychologically evolved zand left this natural animalistic way behind. the only thing natural that humans do now is have bodily functions and sex, everything else is what we decided is going to be civilised made the rules and stuck to them...well most of us do, for those that dont we have jails

Genetics.
We all have autosomal dominant & & recessive genes. Autosomal Dominant genes only require one copy of the gene for it to be expressed (So one parent).
Recessive traits require 2 copies of the same gene for it to be expressed, so both parents would need to pass the gene onto their child. Examples of those include Congenital deafness, PKU, Cystic Fibrosis, Anaemia & various other chronic conditions.
Between 2 unrelated people, the chance of both of these having a given recessive gene are quite low, as they would both have to have the faulty gene. However if the gene runs in the family, and their offspring have a child, the chance of them both carrying the faulty gene is massively increased & so some recessive disorders may be expressed in their child.
Incest also has implications on the child's immune system.

DaveDaRave

bnt wrote: »

I'm amazed at how short-sighted people can be, to even ask such questions. It reflects a total ignorance of history. We have things good these days, so we forget that actions have real consequences that have nothing to do with "morals" or "norms".

Last week we had "why is it bad to be a slut?", and the simple answer is STDs. We may take antibiotics for granted, but they are a relatively-recent invention, so it's not surprising that the stigma remains. (As it should: prevention is always better than any possible cure.)

So with incest, the real risk is of inbreeding, with birth deformities etc. Sure, these days you can use contraceptives, but (once again) that's a recent development. It's a bad idea for objective reasons, no "morals" required.

The "ick factor" evolved because it helps to keep us from things that are stupid, even if why it's stupid is not immediately obvious. If you're going to remain ignorant of history and science, instinct is all you can rely on. :rolleyes:

So homosexual incestuous relationships. Whats the argument against them, since they cant breed.

Femme_Fatale

mentalist101 wrote: »

Its wrong, besides Incest involves more than brothers and sisters.

Imagine parents grooming their children into having sex with them since they are young and they start to believe its grand when they are older and give 'consent' to the act.

Or the case of the Man who wanted to have only daughters to add to his harem, as Fathers have to have the first taste *yuck*

That's not always what leads to incest. What if it's just a brother and sister who start to fancy either as they reach adulthood? I know it's weird but once they don't have kids, what are they actually doing wrong?

daddyorchips

DaveDaRave wrote: »

So homosexual incestuous relationships. Whats the argument against them, since they cant breed.

go nuts I suppose

mentalist101

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

That's not always what leads to incest. What if it's just a brother and sister who start to fancy either as they reach adulthood? I know it's weird but once they don't have kids, what are they actually doing wrong?

But the question was 'what is actually wrong with incest'? Not just sexual relations between brothers and sisters who start to fancy each other. What of the girls who fancy their dads or guys who are into their Mams, as long as its consensual should it be allowed..... I think not.

It is open to abuse in so many ways

Remmy

Suri you can't be serious with this sh1t op ?

DaveDaRave

mentalist101 wrote: »

But the question was 'what is actually wrong with incest'? Not just sexual relations between brothers and sisters who start to fancy each other. What of the girls who fancy their dads or guys who are into their Mams, as long as its consensual should it be allowed..... I think not.

It is open to abuse in so many ways

But why not, if they are legal age.