Why do the Irish make such a big deal out of approaching members of the opposite sex?

Femme_Fatale · 22-06-2013 06:35PM

eireannBEAR wrote: »

mind your own business my friends i rated girls when we were younger and thats our business,if i see you and rate you a 4 thats my business not yours,get over yourself. if you get hurt or offended this easy im glad i dont have to deal with you in real ife,and god help any man or woman that those.

Few posts ago you were all light-hearted and now the anger is kicking in - I understand: you're upset at how idiotic this rating shyte has been shown up as and how lots of guys actually DON'T bother with it.

No I won't mind my own business - you were happy to subject people to your drivel, therefore people are also within their rights to express their views on it. I'm more secure in myself than to be bothered by what a vapid little boy thinks of my appearance (not that you know what I look like - you seem the type anyway who'd call Cheryl Cole ugly if she rebuffed you) but I do think the rating out of 10 of any woman who passes by "system" in and of itself... is for ****.

I'm amused too by you going on about me being "hurt"/"offended" following your above little bitch-rant!

Weathering wrote: »

You can also see i backed tracked from my initial post as I didn't mean to sayy every women but there defo has been a percentage increase in my opinion. Yet u have proceeded to indicate i cant get a ride again and all you're blinded bias Liked it..

I didn't indicate you can't get a ride - I said your post is totally the kind of post though that guys who are angry with women because they can't pull would write. I still believe that you have a girlfriend though. I thanked her post because your post really pissed me off. I didn't realise until after that that you have a girlfriend.

Legs.Eleven · 22-06-2013 06:36PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I probably was out of order with my "you can't get a ride" comment, in fairness (childish comment, I'll admit) but I've been on this thing since 2007 (under a different profile name) and the CONSTANT animosity towards Irish women in AH gets on my tits to the extreme. Nothing can be discussed on here without people like weathering coming on and making it uncomfortable for female Boards posters. My comment was unreasonable but tbh, I'm fed up with this guff. This is not an all-male forum and Irish females post on here too, so we deserve respect. You (weathering) and posters of your ilk make it extremely unpleasant for Irish women like myself to contribute.

jigglypuffstuff · 22-06-2013 06:37PM

Boofle wrote: »

Well maybe you should.

I don't what sort of places you frequent but I would never treat any man who would approach me for a chat in the manner being described here. It's simply not fair to just announce that all Irish women are stuck up, rude and self-important based on your experience alone.

Boofle i agree it isnt fair to tar them all with one brush, but there is some truth in what he's saying, there are a large majority of women here who take a very immature attitude towards men approaching them. Sad but true from my own experience watching friends.

Personally speaking after seeing what my friends went through ( and their similar reactions to women) while i was in a relationship upon becoming single i promised myseld i'd never go to a bar or club looking for women, id never approach an Irish woman and after the manner in which ive been approached so many times and the attitudes the women have taken when I rejected their offer it was enough to turn me off of irish women permanently. Now i date eastern european girls and find it a much better experiene overall and it starts without alcohol or clubs. Im out to offend nobody here this is simply my own personal experience.

Now to address the topic at hand, the whole scene in ireland needs to change. Its a serious problem when the only place the majority of men will approach women is a nightclub after a night of drinking. The dating scene here reminds me of kids running away saying cooties or something. It isnt the men or women who need to change, its both and what needs changing is their mentalities and attitudes on dating

Weathering wrote: »

Okay fair enough you sound like a nice lady but I doubt you go out on the clubbing scene. I'm 23 and since I was 18 a lot more girls have behaved in this manner. I get it a lot of fellas treat girls like sh1t and are only after one thing but I'm not like that. Perhaps I worder my argument wrong I didn't mean every Irish girl Imeant there has been a percentage increase of this behaviour. l

Agreed guys do because they cant handle rejection. Again they act like children attending Kindergarten Imo

There has been a large increase you are correct, and it grows. Id blame media partly for this one stupid reality shows like jersey shore etc, you see how they treat women, so why expect any less of them??

Conas wrote: »

We don't when were drunk.

And thats exactly the problem

lufties wrote: »

this is what is called the male ego, some of us lads can take rejection with a pinch of salt and it doesnt hurt our feelings/make us bitter..i think living in ireland, in some cases,a lad only gets a window of a few hours on a saturday night to interchange with the opposite sex..after that its back to a week's work(if he is lucky to have a job) in a male dominated workplace. normally lads these days make a good effort to look good for a night out, and when rude women shoot them down so easily it can really induce bitterness/anger.

100% agreed

Boofle wrote: »

And why do you reckon so many women act like this (if indeed they really do?) . . . .They are sick to the teeth of how a lot of men approach them and speak to them and the reaction if they politely tell him they're not interested etc.

Absolutley true. When people act like spoiled children who dont get their own way then others will not take to them so kindly

Table Top Joe wrote: »

ive heard a lot of them discuss men just as crudely as any man would a woman, people seriously need to lighten up

Me and you both man!!

Legs.Eleven · 22-06-2013 06:38PM

Weathering wrote: »

O right so what others have said before (NOT ME) gives you the justification personally attack me? That's real mature

Probably not but at least I can admit I'm wrong.

Czarcasm · 22-06-2013 06:38PM

Singularity 1 wrote: »

Btw, I'm not bitter here, I just thought it was an interesting topic. I'm not going to refrain from expressing my opinions just to avoid the wrath of the PC brigade.

I thought we might be getting somewhere when I read your first paragraph, but then, you came out with that bolded bit. Will you PLEASE, for your own sake, stop with that "PC Brigade" nonsense, there simply ISN'T one on AH, that's in your head tbh. By all means express your opinion, but how people will perceive it will depend on how you express it.

Do you ever create your own threads in AH or do you just comment on others? Because its not easy to start a thread like this and stay PC. It just can't be done.

Are you crazy? Start my own thread? I wouldn't be about sticking my head above the parapet like that now at all at all, lol :pac:

No but seriously though, it's very easy to start a thread on this issue and have a discussion like this, if you're prepared to be at least a bit mature about it. Nothing to do with being "PC", but when you use juvenile and worn out cliches like that, people tend to take your opinion less seriously.

They take it even less seriously again then when you're unwilling to hear that you might actually be wrong in your assessment, that your opinion has been colored by your own personal perspective, and rather limited experience with the opposite sex.

eireannBEAR · 22-06-2013 06:39PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Few posts ago you were all light-hearted and now the anger is kicking in - I understand: you're upset at how idiotic this rating shyte has been shown up as.

No I won't mind my own business - you were happy to subject people to your drivel, therefore people are also within their rights to express their views on it. I'm more secure in myself than to be bothered by what a vapid little boy thinks of my appearance (not that you know what I look like - you seem the type anyway who'd call Cheryl Cole ugly if she rebuffed you) but I do think the rating out of 10 "system" in and of itself... is for ****.

im in flying form and from the sounds of this post i believe you to be a liar,as you obviously seem to mind quite a bit about what young men think.

lufties · 22-06-2013 06:39PM

Singularity 1 wrote: »

Scarlet doesn't leave my house, that's why you never found her

are u sure she's not just a scanger that said 'im bleedin' scarleh I am'

Boofle · 22-06-2013 06:51PM

pone2012 wrote: »

Boofle i agree it isnt fair to tar them all with one brush, but there is some truth in what he's saying, there are a large majority of women here who take a very immature attitude towards men approaching them. Sad but true from my own experience watching friends.

Personally speaking after seeing what my friends went through ( and their similar reactions to women) while i was in a relationship upon becoming single i promised myseld i'd never go to a bar or club looking for women, id never approach an Irish woman and after the manner in which ive been approached so many times and the attitudes the women have taken when I rejected their offer it was enough to turn me off of irish women permanently. Now i date eastern european girls and find it a much better experiene overall and it starts without alcohol or clubs. Im out to offend nobody here this is simply my own personal experience.

Now to address the topic at hand, the whole scene in ireland needs to change. Its a serious problem when the only place the majority of men will approach women is a nightclub after a night of drinking. The dating scene here reminds me of kids running away saying cooties or something. It isnt the men or women who need to change, its both and what needs changing is their mentalities and attitudes on dating

Agreed guys do because they cant handle rejection. Again they act like children attending Kindergarten Imo

There has been a large increase you are correct, and it grows. Id blame media partly for this one stupid reality shows like jersey shore etc, you see how they treat women, so why expect any less of them??

Fair enough pone but do you have any suggtions as to why all these Irish women are such absolute wagons to men when approached? Do you not think that they have turned bitter and nasty as a result of having to endure said men being rather nasty to them?

buried · 22-06-2013 06:52PM

I hear what Weathering is saying, but my only advice is to not get worked up by it. I'm not the same age or generation as him but I do a lot of part-time work in these late bars and clubs throughout the country and I see it in every single place, especially in his age group. A good sub-section of Women in these places 18 - 25 who think they are some make of local village "celebrity", acting all stuck up and going out of their way in acting nasty and harsh to the guys around them. I see it all the time, soberly too. And if some people here shout "OMG thats pure generalisationininn" well I'm sorry people but that is what I actually see in my own actual existence with my own two sober adult eyes every night in these places around the land so I cant really question it can I? I may aswell start questioning "is the sky actually blue????"

And Weathering is completely in his right to mention and describe it too if that is what he is experiencing, just because it makes some people here 'uncomfortable' with his description of the same, whats he supposed to do - lie and claim every single woman in the country is some classy, mannerly lady that never does any wrong to make some posters in here feel 'comfortable' and not dent their immovable beliefs???

Only last night, I sadly and inadvertently encountered it myself, I had to move some equipment through the club floor and I had to gently tap a young woman on the shoulder to get her to move out of the way to get through without her getting hurt. The second I did this, she immediately and typically turned her facial features and body language into a resemblance of some sort of disgusted hybrid pitbull wasp in a miniskirt that was under attack. I laughed my ass off and asked her to move a bit out of the way please. She then began to look confused and upset she wasn't actually getting the attention she seemed so disgusted to be getting a moment before!

But a lot of posters here are correct, these places ain't exactly the best environment to meet a nice lady that you will get along with. I see it all the time. Not to say there is 'none' in these places but chances of meeting one in these places is slim IMO. And the ones that do act in a disgraceful manner, to hell with em, and be glad and thankfull you wont be with them anyways!

Rayne Wooney · 22-06-2013 06:53PM

Women do the 1-10 scale and so do men, also associating it with intelligence is just a lousy condescending argument really.

It's just for a laugh and the last few times I've been out in a club or pub I've overheard it from both women and men.

Anyway this thread has really gone downhill and I'm surprised a mod hasn't stepped yet. Some of the posts from both men and women are disgusting personal attacks.

Femme_Fatale · 22-06-2013 07:03PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Women do the 1-10 scale and so do men, also associating it with intelligence is just a lousy condescending argument really.

It's just for a laugh and the last few times I've been out in a club or pub I've overheard it from both women and men.

It does come across thick as sh1t to decide "Right, I'm going to comment on the physical appearance of every person of the opposite sex I see" - I don't care whether that's condescending of me or not. And I have never overheard it from either gender. I wish people wouldn't imply it's the norm, it isn't.
Maybe it's only in places like Coppers though that that stuff goes on. Thankfully there are many other types of bar besides a meat market.

It's not jokey - it's "laddish"/"ladette" tripe.

jigglypuffstuff · 22-06-2013 07:04PM

Boofle wrote: »

Fair enough pone but do you have any suggtions as to why all these Irish women are such absolute wagons to men when approached? Do you not think that they have turned bitter and nasty as a result of having to endure said men being rather nasty to them?

I do and if you'll read over my post its one of the first things i've said.

As a matter of fact I personally believe if it was not for the amount of overly promiscous women here in ireland I think men would have no choice but to change their ways. Because there is always access to sex somewhere there attitude will largely remain the same in my eyes.

With that being said there were always nasty women out there, but lately the amount from what ive seen is pretty high.

eireannBEAR · 22-06-2013 07:11PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I have never overheard it from either gender. I wish people wouldn't imply it's the norm, it isn't.
Maybe it's only in places like Coppers though that that stuff goes on. Thankfully there are many other types of bar besides a meat market.

It's not jokey - it's "laddish"/"ladette" tripe.

you never heard of the rating scale of looks... you madam are either 60 or you just dont get out much.

you obviously live an incredibly sheltered life.

Czarcasm · 22-06-2013 07:11PM

buried wrote: »

But a lot of posters here are correct, these places ain't exactly the best environment to meet a nice lady that you will get along with. I see it all the time. Not to say there is 'none' in these places but chances of meeting one in these places is slim IMO. And the ones that do act in a disgraceful manner, to hell with em, and be glad and thankfull you wont be with them anyways!

You see it "all the time", because you're LOOKING for it, with your own two sober eyes, etc. It's called "confirmation bias".

I mean, how many patrons of both sexes are there in there venues - 100? 500? 1,000+? And yet all you see is merely a handful of maybe five to ten women that fit in with your own biased view.

You certainly can't claim to have seen anything like fifty of these occurences in one eight hour gig between the bar and the club in any venue up and down the country. So we'll say if you were to visit 100 venues up and down the country, and each of these venues held 100+ people, that's at least 10,000 people you'll have been able to observe, yet the best you can do is pick out the handful of women that don't float your boat.

Well done.

lufties · 22-06-2013 07:12PM

buried wrote: »

I hear what Weathering is saying, but my only advice is to not get worked up by it. I'm not the same age or generation as him but I do a lot of part-time work in these late bars and clubs throughout the country and I see it in every single place, especially in his age group. A good sub-section of Women in these places 18 - 25 who think they are some make of local village "celebrity", acting all stuck up and going out of their way in acting nasty and harsh to the guys around them. I see it all the time, soberly too. And if some people here shout "OMG thats pure generalisationininn" well I'm sorry people but that is what I actually see in my own actual existence with my own two sober adult eyes every night in these places around the land so I cant really question it can I? I may aswell start questioning "is the sky actually blue????"

And Weathering is completely in his right to mention and describe it too if that is what he is experiencing, just because it makes some people here 'uncomfortable' with his description of the same, whats he supposed to do - lie and claim every single woman in the country is some classy, mannerly lady that never does any wrong to make some posters in here feel 'comfortable' and not dent their immovable beliefs???

Only last night, I sadly and inadvertently encountered it myself, I had to move some equipment through the club floor and I had to gently tap a young woman on the shoulder to get her to move out of the way to get through without her getting hurt. The second I did this, she immediately and typically turned her facial features and body language into a resemblance of some sort of disgusted hybrid pitbull wasp in a miniskirt that was under attack. I laughed my ass off and asked her to move a bit out of the way please. She then began to look confused and upset she wasn't actually getting the attention she seemed so disgusted to be getting a moment before!

But a lot of posters here are correct, these places ain't exactly the best environment to meet a nice lady that you will get along with. I see it all the time. Not to say there is 'none' in these places but chances of meeting one in these places is slim IMO. And the ones that do act in a disgraceful manner, to hell with em, and be glad and thankfull you wont be with them anyways!

excellent post! so things haven't changed then, sure when they are influenced by a cocktail of lady gaga, beyonce and rihanna, what would you expect..i dont like to generalise but the attention seeking little miss princesses are everwhere, maybe if guys boycotted night clubs things might change

Singularity 1 · 22-06-2013 07:12PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

I thought we might be getting somewhere when I read your first paragraph, but then, you came out with that bolded bit. Will you PLEASE, for your own sake, stop with that "PC Brigade" nonsense, there simply ISN'T one on AH, that's in your head tbh. By all means express your opinion, but how people will perceive it will depend on how you express it.

Are you crazy? Start my own thread? I wouldn't be about sticking my head above the parapet like that now at all at all, lol :pac:

No but seriously though, it's very easy to start a thread on this issue and have a discussion like this, if you're prepared to be at least a bit mature about it. Nothing to do with being "PC", but when you use juvenile and worn out cliches like that, people tend to take your opinion less seriously.

They take it even less seriously again then when you're unwilling to hear that you might actually be wrong in your assessment, that your opinion has been colored by your own personal perspective, and rather limited experience with the opposite sex.

I don't see how I wasn't mature about it tbh. I think you were a bit immature with your blueball group remark in fairness, so you've some neck saying I'm not mature lol. Your responses are usually very long and pedantic too, making arguments out of nothing.

buried · 22-06-2013 07:14PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

You see it "all the time", because you're LOOKING for it, with your own two sober eyes, etc. It's called "confirmation bias".

Its also called "reality". Try it some time and calm down man.

Table Top Joe · 22-06-2013 07:15PM

pone2012 wrote: »

As a matter of fact I personally believe if it was not for the amount of overly promiscous women here in ireland I think men would have no choice but to change their ways. Because there is always access to sex somewhere there attitude will largely remain the same in my eyes.
.

Whats "overly promiscuous"?......your last post made a lot of sense I thought, this one....not so much

The Backwards Man · 22-06-2013 07:17PM

This thread needs euthanising.

Table Top Joe · 22-06-2013 07:20PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

This thread needs euthanising.

Why do people call for threads to be locked?? is someone forcing you to keep coming back? if you don't like it go away,its not rocket science

Im sure im not the only one who looks forward to a definition of "overly promiscuous"

Czarcasm · 22-06-2013 07:22PM

pone2012 wrote: »

I do and if you'll read over my post its one of the first things i've said.

As a matter of fact I personally believe if it was not for the amount of overly promiscous women here in ireland I think men would have no choice but to change their ways. Because there is always access to sex somewhere there attitude will largely remain the same in my eyes.

With that being said there were always nasty women out there, but lately the amount from what ive seen is pretty high.

Soo, on the one hand the fact that men can't talk to women is women's fault because they're too stuck up with their high standards, they're not sexually open minded due to being influenced by the catholic church, yada yada, etc, and on the other hand, it's STILL women's fault because women are too promiscuous?

Seriously?

eireannBEAR · 22-06-2013 07:24PM

Table Top Joe wrote: »

Why do people call for threads to be locked?? is someone forcing you to keep coming back? if you don't like it go away,its not rocket science

Im sure im not the only one who looks forward to a definition of "overly promiscuous"

he wants to kill the thread as he feels like his opinions on the matter are not respected and meaningless,he is correct but still that does not give him the right to seek the closure of this thread. he may be an ego maniac i just dont know.

Table Top Joe · 22-06-2013 07:26PM

eireannBEAR wrote: »

he wants to kill the thread as he feels like his opinions on the matter are not respected and meaningless,he is correct but still that does not give him the right to seek the closure of this thread. he may be an ego maniac i just dont know.

I reckon its the same evil bastard who makes people who hate Facebook use it make them keep checking threads they don't like anymore too *looks off into the distance*...bastard

The Backwards Man · 22-06-2013 07:26PM

eireannBEAR wrote: »

he wants to kill the thread as he feels like his opinions on the matter are not respected and meaningless,he is correct but still that does not give him the right to seek the closure of this thread. he may be an ego maniac i just dont know.

Na, I just hate to see people digging bigger holes for themselves when they should have had the shovels taken off them a long time ago.

Czarcasm · 22-06-2013 07:26PM

Singularity 1 wrote: »

I don't see how I wasn't mature about it tbh. I think you were a bit immature with your blueball group remark in fairness, so you've some neck saying I'm not mature lol. Your responses are usually very long and pedantic too, making arguments out of nothing.

I'll keep this one short for you then -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

markomuscle · 22-06-2013 07:27PM

for me it is because women are simply fearsome creatures

eireannBEAR · 22-06-2013 07:28PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na, I just hate to see people digging bigger holes for themselves when they should have had the shovels taken off them a long time ago.

uh terrible....it wasnt worth posting TBH.

Femme_Fatale · 22-06-2013 07:29PM

I'm not 60, I get out plenty - I just hang around with non vapid people and go to non sh1t meat-market places!

buried wrote: »

I hear what Weathering is saying, but my only advice is to not get worked up by it. I'm not the same age or generation as him but I do a lot of part-time work in these late bars and clubs throughout the country and I see it in every single place, especially in his age group. A good sub-section of Women in these places 18 - 25 who think they are some make of local village "celebrity", acting all stuck up and going out of their way in acting nasty and harsh to the guys around them. I see it all the time, soberly too. And if some people here shout "OMG thats pure generalisationininn" well I'm sorry people but that is what I actually see in my own actual existence with my own two sober adult eyes every night in these places around the land so I cant really question it can I? I may aswell start questioning "is the sky actually blue????"

And Weathering is completely in his right to mention and describe it too if that is what he is experiencing, just because it makes some people here 'uncomfortable' with his description of the same, whats he supposed to do - lie and claim every single woman in the country is some classy, mannerly lady that never does any wrong to make some posters in here feel 'comfortable' and not dent their immovable beliefs???

Why resort to a stupid extreme? Nobody said he has to say the above.

What COULD be done - difficult and all as it may be for some though - is not talk about this phenomenon (and I believe you - I know it happens a lot) in terms of being something that applies to all Irish women, of all ages, in all areas of Ireland, who attend all types of establishment.

Singularity 1 · 22-06-2013 07:29PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

I'll keep this one short for you then -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

Thank you. Perhaps a quick video would be sufficient in future.

Pug160 · 22-06-2013 07:30PM

Meh, these threads usually turn ugly so there's not much point getting too involved.

Here's a thought though: if some girls have this perceived ''power'', they only have it because you are giving them the power in your own head. In reality they have very little power, except the power to put a dent in the ego, which is hurtful if you're insecure. But real power? Nah, you're giving them it.

Why do the Irish make such a big deal out of approaching members of the opposite sex?

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