Origin of Irish accents

markomuscle · 22-06-2013 12:58AM #1

Even without the ulster plantations would northerners still have ended up with an accent similar to Scottish due to how close they are?

How did the southern accents form?

1000 years ago did someone from Munster still have that distinctive accent when speaking irish?

Snakeblood · 22-06-2013 12:59AM

markomuscle wrote: »

Even without the ulster plantations would northerners still have ended up with an accent similar to Scottish due to how close they are?

How did the southern accents form?

1000 years ago did someone from Munster still have that distinctive accent when speaking irish?

I got mine from Wanderley Wagon.

Too Tough To Die · 22-06-2013 01:03AM

Every Irish accent originated on a halting site somewhere.

dd972 · 22-06-2013 01:21AM

There's decent stuff on Wikipedia on the subject, most qualities of the Irish accent stem from the Irish language, in phrases like 'I'm after going to the shops etc'

The North Antrim coast is virtually Scottish, listen to the Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers and you'll pick this up. There's also an Irish twang on the Isle of Man and of course the Irish influenced speech patterns in Liverpool and the North East of the United States.

Over the water,If you go to Berwick, which is on the English side of the England-Scots borders there's English folk with Scots accents, likewise in Corby down in Northants where the second and third generation Scots still sound Scottish.

Sea Sharp · 22-06-2013 01:21AM

The Dublin accent has an English influence.

That wacky boggery accent is well suited to the Irish language.

What's more interesting is the American accent, a combination of Irish, English French & German accents.
I think there's a resemblance between the Yorkshire accent in UK and the hillbilly accent in the US.

markomuscle · 22-06-2013 01:27AM

dd972 wrote: »

There's decent stuff on Wikipedia on the subject, most qualities of the Irish accent stem from the Irish language, in phrases like 'I'm after going to the shops etc'

The North Antrim coast is virtually Scottish, listen to the Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers and you'll pick this up. There's also an Irish twang on the Isle of Man and of course the Irish influenced speech patterns in Liverpool and the North East of the United States.

Over the water,If you go to Berwick, which is on the English side of the England-Scots borders there's English folk with Scots accents, likewise in Corby down in Northants where the second and third generation Scots still sound Scottish.

The Irish and Scots in Ulster always have been largely segregated so it's strange that they ended up with the same accent, I would have had a mostly Scottish accent if I was born a few miles away, a few relatives actually do. we use words such as Aye which is Scottish, this is actually common in northern England as well.

Riddle101 · 22-06-2013 02:03AM

markomuscle wrote: »

The Irish and Scots in Ulster always have been largely segregated so it's strange that they ended up with the same accent, I would have had a mostly Scottish accent if I was born a few miles away, a few relatives actually do. we use words such as Aye which is Scottish, this is actually common in northern England as well.

I say Aye as well. Never really thought of it much, just say it when i'm confirming something.

Friend: You coming over for some cans later?
Me: Aye

or

Friend: Will I bring a few cans over?
Me: Aye

In recent years, I started saying "Oh" as well. It's more of an Italian-American expression I think, and I think I got it from The Sopranos. But whenever someone does something that surprises me or I don't have a response to give to someone I say Oh

Friend: You're a jackass
Me: Oh!

Or

Friend: I just heard this new song
Me: Oh?
Friend: It's really good

Ruudi_Mentari · 22-06-2013 02:09AM

The deepest, darkest recesses of a midlands bog

uch · 22-06-2013 02:11AM

markomuscle wrote: »

Even without the ulster plantations would northerners still have ended up with an accent similar to Scottish due to how close they are?

How did the southern accents form?

1000 years ago did someone from Munster still have that distinctive accent when speaking irish?

They'd still sound like big Mulldoons

The Backwards Man · 22-06-2013 02:12AM

I cannae help tha way I spake.

Duggys Housemate · 22-06-2013 02:13AM

Sea Sharp wrote: »

The Dublin accent has an English influence.

That wacky boggery accent is well suited to the Irish language.

What's more interesting is the American accent, a combination of Irish, English French & German accents.
I think there's a resemblance between the Yorkshire accent in UK and the hillbilly accent in the US.

Outside of D4 there is no discernible English accent in Dublin.

markomuscle · 22-06-2013 02:15AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I cannae help tha way I spake.

oul willie drennan the boyo has a quare tongue on him

Donnielighto · 22-06-2013 02:31AM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Outside of D4 there is no discernible English accent in Dublin.

Really, what about blackrock?

BOHtox · 22-06-2013 02:37AM

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

markomuscle · 22-06-2013 02:46AM

BOHtox wrote: »

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

most southern accents sound the same to me, I couldn't spot the difference from a Sligo accent to a Waterford accent

uch · 22-06-2013 02:52AM

BOHtox wrote: »

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

I'm not reading all that, but yes, you said Jaysus, so must be from................ Bray

Duggys Housemate · 22-06-2013 03:00AM

Donnielighto wrote: »

Really, what about blackrock?

The people in black rock sound like .... Dubliners.

markomuscle · 22-06-2013 03:04AM

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

The deepest, darkest recesses of a midlands bog

maybe the cloneycavan man was the culprit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonycavan_Man

Boofle · 22-06-2013 03:06AM

I am from the midlands but I worked in the UK for quite a few years in the west midlands and I now have quite a distinctive accent and most people automatically think i am from Dublin, not Athlone ha ha :-D

BOHtox · 22-06-2013 03:23AM

uch wrote: »

I'm not reading all that, but yes, you said Jaysus, so must be from................ Bray

A suburb in South Dublin. 20 minute drive to Bray

Boofle · 22-06-2013 03:23AM

BOHtox wrote: »

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

Yeah we really do have so many accents for a small island! I am from the midlands but worked for a few years in the west midlands in the UK and i am always told i have a very unusual sexy accent! Certainly not an athlone accent which is what i should have lol ;-)

Boofle · 22-06-2013 03:28AM

BOHtox wrote: »

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

Yeah we really do have so many accents for a small island! I am from the midlands but worked for a few years in the west midlands in the UK and i am always told that i have the sexiest accent ever . . . . Certainly not an Athlone accent lol ;-)

DebDynamite · 22-06-2013 03:50AM

Boofle wrote: »

I am from the midlands but I worked in the UK for quite a few years in the west midlands and I now have quite a distinctive accent and most people automatically think i am from Dublin, not Athlone ha ha :-D

Boofle wrote: »

Yeah we really do have so many accents for a small island! I am from the midlands but worked for a few years in the west midlands in the UK and i am always told i have a very unusual sexy accent! Certainly not an athlone accent which is what i should have lol ;-)

Boofle wrote: »

Yeah we really do have so many accents for a small island! I am from the midlands but worked for a few years in the west midlands in the UK and i am always told that i have the sexiest accent ever . . . . Certainly not an Athlone accent lol ;-)

Wow, you must really love your accent

jay-me · 22-06-2013 06:34AM

Nickelodeon has a lot to answer for loike roysh!!

Caribbean Cat · 22-06-2013 06:49AM

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Every Irish accent originated on a halting site somewhere.

I don't think that is true

Promac · 22-06-2013 09:19AM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

The people in black rock sound like .... Dubliners.

Only in so much as they have 1 of the various different dublin accents.

People from Blackrock sound completley different to people from Crumlin or Ballyfermot. People from the south city centre sound different again.

Dublin is a classic example of people from different financial backgrounds speaking completely different accents.

CruelCoin · 22-06-2013 11:18AM

I would dearly love to know how dubliners developed sounds like:

JA-CIN-TA
COOOOOM
EEN
FER
YAR
TAAAAAAAY

This is vastly different to what you hear 50 miles down the road. Never seen this in other countries.

Madam · 22-06-2013 11:46AM

My parents(both from Donegal)he was from the North East(Raphoe) she from just a few miles down the road(just outside Letterkenny) but their accents were completly different - he more NI(Ulster Scots in some of his chat) she with a softer accent.

Talib Fiasco · 22-06-2013 11:47AM

The Kerry accent was traded for a mule back in 1746.

Ruudi_Mentari · 22-06-2013 11:57AM

If you absolutely had to choose between Richard sadlier and Ronnie whelan, who would you choose to suffer. I can provide you with both

Reindeer · 22-06-2013 12:47PM

Sea Sharp wrote: »

The Dublin accent has an English influence.

That wacky boggery accent is well suited to the Irish language.

What's more interesting is the American accent, a combination of Irish, English French & German accents.
I think there's a resemblance between the Yorkshire accent in UK and the hillbilly accent in the US.

Don't forget a heavy Scandinavian influence in some places:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ux_5CcleM

Origin of Irish accents

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