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Brown Bomber · 29-05-2013 10:53PM

Anynama141 wrote: »

Because it's possible to predict the next contrails that linger due to constantly changing local atmospheric conditions?

Surely it would be easier to prove the chemtrail conspiracy by:

a) demonstrating how it would be workable at all or
b) producing any evidence of the ground campaign that facilitates it?

The US was secretly carpet bombing peasant villages for years in Laos and Cambodia without the public knowing and that was decades ago.

"Chemtrails" is something I'd personally give short shrift to generally but I don't understand why someone, anyone just doesn't find out the science behind these trails, study the flight patterns and then do some real debunking by prediicting the next occurences.

29-05-2013 10:54PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Anyone want to debunk "chemtrails" once and for all by predicting the next lingering trails filling the skies?

Can you detail how we might be able to do this?
Can you explain how if we could, it would actually debunk chemtrails?

The onus is on the people giving the theory any consideration to support it, specifically this assumed, unsupported and false supposition that contrails cannot last for a long time.
With out this being true, there is nothing at all to suggest that chemtrails are real besides what people are told to believe uncritically by the internet.

And it's not true.

Anynama141 · 29-05-2013 11:06PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The US was secretly carpet bombing peasant villages for years in Laos and Cambodia without the public knowing and that was decades ago.

But everybody knew they were bombing somewhere. With modern information technology, cameras everywhere, the internet - where is the evidence of these 'chemtrails'? All I ever see are pictures of contrails.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

"Chemtrails" is something I'd personally give short shrift to generally but I don't understand why someone, anyone just doesn't find out the science behind these trails, study the flight patterns and then do some real debunking by prediicting the next occurences.

Probably for the same reason that nobody sets out to prove that the glowing orb of light that rises in the East and sets in the West is the sun.

If someone wants to make extraordinary/unbelievable claims, the onus is on them to prove that what they claim is A) possible and

is happening.

returnNull · 30-05-2013 09:13AM

The best real world examples of chemicals been dispersed by planes is crop dusters.They fly at low altitude,literally just above the crops because if they flew any higher the chemicals would get so diluted and spread out that they'd be useless.

Even the yanks when dropping agent orange were flying just above the tree's.

--Kaiser-- · 31-05-2013 10:37AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Anyone want to debunk "chemtrails" once and for all by predicting the next lingering trails filling the skies?

I give you Russell's Teapot.
i.e. the onus is on the believers to prove it, not for the disbelievers to disprove it

cml387 · 31-05-2013 09:38PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Anyone want to debunk "chemtrails" once and for all by predicting the next lingering trails filling the skies?

I predict that there will be some contrails over parts of Ireland tomorrow morning flying in a west to east direction, this will probably start around 4am and continue until mid morning ( eastbound transatlantic traffic).
The pattern will be reversed around mid morning, as the westbound flow starts up and will continue until about 3.

Trails in a north-south direction will be holiday traffic from Scotland and the Scandinavian countries heading for holiday destinations in the Canaries and Spain/Portugal.These can be at any time.

FREETV · 18-06-2013 05:03PM

I thought that the whole chemtrail conspiracy was bull**** but it seems not to be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR6KVYJ73AU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjujZ4Pr5u4

Our Country, Ireland is mentioned as being dumped/sprayed.

leprechaunxwwwx · 18-06-2013 06:52PM

FREETV wrote: »

I thought that the whole chemtrail conspiracy was bull**** but it seems not to be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR6KVYJ73AU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjujZ4Pr5u4

Our Country, Ireland is mentioned as being dumped/sprayed.

Good to see you have woken up Freetv. Clear skys foir the G8, hardly surprising eh.

FREETV · 18-06-2013 06:56PM

Anyone who wants to find out only needs to take water and soil samples and get it analysed in an independent laboratory or buy the necessary testing equipment and do it themselves.
Are there any Environmentalists/ Biologists reading here in different counties who would be willing to do tests privately?

18-06-2013 06:59PM

FREETV wrote: »

Anyone who wants to find out only needs to take water and soil samples and get it analysed in an independent laboratory or buy the necessary testing equipment and do it themselves.
Are there any Environmentalists/ Biologists reading here in different counties who would be willing to do tests privately?

Why hasn't this been done before?

If it hasn't, why then do people believe that there are chemtrails when there is no way to tell the difference between chemtrail and contrails?

FREETV · 18-06-2013 07:06PM

King Mob wrote: »

Why hasn't this been done before?

If it hasn't, why then do people believe that there are chemtrails when there is no way to tell the difference between chemtrail and contrails?

It has been done in the USA, there are videos of alarmingly high levels of Barium etc on youtube after samples were analysed.

It seems to me that a lot of so called conspiracy nuts aren't nuts after all but instead have open minds and looking in to things and don't just pretend to be know it alls. A little research points to it being that way.

18-06-2013 07:09PM

FREETV wrote: »

It has been done in the USA, there are videos of alarmingly high levels of Barium etc on youtube after samples were analysed.

Ok can you provide a link to this study and explain how they used their result to find a way to tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail?

FREETV · 18-06-2013 07:13PM

King Mob wrote: »

Ok can you provide a link to this study and explain how they used their result to find a way to tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail?

I was talking about the chemicals present when guys did tests after what they thought were planes spraying and what do you know high levels of toxic chemicals were found in samples. Did you watch the video of the attractive ex military whistleblower further back that I linked?

I would believe her.

I am pie · 18-06-2013 07:14PM

Do you people just wait until the thread goes quiet then just rehash old information?

You have been provided with an explanation and some basic science around contrails. You have been provided with reasons why it would be an inappropriate method of chemical dispersion and you have been asked for an analysis taken before and after alleged aerial spraying and you cannot come up with any of the above.

Collect air and ground based samples before and after, analyse them then publish your results.

Demonstrate some of this cognitive ability that you self appointed 'free' (of what I wonder) thinkers claim to have. For once....

18-06-2013 07:15PM

FREETV wrote: »

I was talking about the chemicals after guys did tests after what they thought were planes spraying and what do you know high levels of toxic chemicals found in samples.

I'm sorry I cannot make sense of this sentence, can you please rephrase it?

FREETV wrote: »

Did you watch the video of the attractive ex military whistleblower further back that I linked?

I would believe her.

No I didn't. Does she address my question?

FREETV · 18-06-2013 07:28PM

King Mob wrote: »

I'm sorry I cannot make sense of this sentence, can you please rephrase it?

No I didn't. Does she address my question?

Yeah, sorry I didn't look at what I was typing, corrected it a bit further back.
She found out that they were indeed using chemicals for experiments.

18-06-2013 07:32PM

FREETV wrote: »

Yeah, sorry I didn't look at what I was typing, corrected it a bit further back.

Sorry it still doesn't make a whole bunch of sense and doesn't actually address my point.

FREETV wrote: »

I was talking about the chemicals present when guys did tests after what they thought were planes spraying and what do you know high levels of toxic chemicals were found in samples

So how does this allow them to tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails?

FREETV wrote: »

She found out that they were indeed using chemicals for experiments.

Ok, how did she find this out? What evidence beyond her own word does she provide? Does she outline a way to tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails?

FREETV · 18-06-2013 07:51PM

King Mob wrote: »

Sorry it still doesn't make a whole bunch of sense and doesn't actually address my point.

So how does this allow them to tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails?

Ok, how did she find this out? What evidence beyond her own word does she provide? Does she outline a way to tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails?

If they were just contrails then there wouldn't have been high levels of Barium and Strontium under the areas where they saw supposed chemtrails, pretty obvious really.
Please try to watch the link whenever it suits you or when you have a few minutes.

I am pie · 18-06-2013 07:55PM

FREETV wrote: »

If they were just contrails then there wouldn't have been high levels of Barium and Strontium under the areas where they saw supposed chemtrails, pretty obvious really.
Please try to watch the link whenever it suits you or when you have a few minutes.

Did they record levels before the trails?

Did they capture the data anywhere?

Did they publish their findings?

Was this peer reviewed?

Could anything else have caused those alleged high levels?

What is your aversion to actual evidence? Do you have an agenda here?

18-06-2013 08:03PM

FREETV wrote: »

If they were just contrails then there wouldn't have been high levels of Barium and Strontium under the areas where they saw supposed chemtrails, pretty obvious really.

SO then how did they exclude other sources of these chemicals so that they could be sure that the barium and strontium came from the chemtrails?

Did they identify the features of the trails overhead so that they could be able to tell the difference between chemtrails and contrails?

FREETV wrote: »

Please try to watch the link whenever it suits you or when you have a few minutes.

I don't see there's much of a point if she does not provide any evidence for what she claims and she does not address my point.

Penn · 19-06-2013 07:38AM

Warning to everyone to keep the discussion civil and bear in mind this section of the charter:

Forum Charter wrote:

If you're here to discuss why you believe differently to others... Great. However, comments such as "Anyone who doesn't agree with this is an idiot and is blind to the obvious truth before them" etc are not acceptable. Likewise, posting comments such as "So what's the conspiracy?" or "This conspiracy is nonsense" etc are also not acceptable. If you strongly disagree with a theory or find it to be ridiculous, simply do not post in the thread, and allow others to discuss it if they wish.

FREETV · 21-06-2013 10:06PM

King Mob wrote: »

SO then how did they exclude other sources of these chemicals so that they could be sure that the barium and strontium came from the chemtrails?

Did they identify the features of the trails overhead so that they could be able to tell the difference between chemtrails and contrails?

I don't see there's much of a point if she does not provide any evidence for what she claims and she does not address my point.

She has documented proof and released it to the public.

21-06-2013 10:27PM

FREETV wrote: »

She has documented proof and released it to the public.

What proof was this?

FREETV · 21-06-2013 10:57PM

King Mob wrote: »

What proof was this?

Official Air force documents taken from her former workplace. Geoengineering programme.

21-06-2013 11:00PM

FREETV wrote: »

Official Airforce documents taken from her former workplace. Geoengineering programme.

What do they state? How do they show that chemtrails exist? How do you know that they are illegitimate.

Nothing you are saying is convincing me that this video is worth my time, especially giving you inability to address my points.

FREETV · 21-06-2013 11:02PM

King Mob wrote: »

What do they state? How do they show that chemtrails exist? How do you know that they are illegitimate.

Nothing you are saying is convincing me that this video is worth my time, especially giving you inability to address my points.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/breaking-air-force-chemtrail-whistleblower-exposes-geoengineering.html

MeteoritesEire · 22-06-2013 11:51AM

freudian slip--illegitimate

pfurey101 · 24-06-2013 09:49AM

I worked in aircraft maintenance for over 30 years and was surrounded by and dealt with airframe, engine and component mechanics, engineers, work shops, work planners, buyers, manufacturers, suppliers, parts catalogues, overhaul manuals, component and airframe maintenance manuals, wiring diagrams, service bulletins, modification job cards, scheduled work call ups, fuel sample reports, AD's, new aircraft type initial provisioning and have been to Boeing, Airbus, component manufacturers, suppliers, maintenance conferences, customers that we supported and COMPLETELY missed everything to do with how they get the chems into chemtrails.

And all my colleagues in SR Technics missed everything also. It's no wonder our Swiss and Arabs owners shut the place down -how incompetant we were!

FFS lads, stop looking at only those youtube videos and reading those articles that agree with your agenda.

And it looks like all those Wikileaks documents missed every conspiracy going also - or are these part of the conspiracy??

Why don't you all focus your talents and resources and unravel what really went on with the financial mess we are in. The tapes are starting to emerge!

Paul

Allan Blandford · 28-06-2013 09:56AM

pfurey101 wrote: »

I worked in aircraft maintenance for over 30 years and was surrounded by and dealt with airframe, engine and component mechanics, engineers, work shops, work planners, buyers, manufacturers, suppliers, parts catalogues, overhaul manuals, component and airframe maintenance manuals, wiring diagrams, service bulletins, modification job cards, scheduled work call ups, fuel sample reports, AD's, new aircraft type initial provisioning and have been to Boeing, Airbus, component manufacturers, suppliers, maintenance conferences, customers that we supported and COMPLETELY missed everything to do with how they get the chems into chemtrails.

And all my colleagues in SR Technics missed everything also. It's no wonder our Swiss and Arabs owners shut the place down -how incompetant we were!

FFS lads, stop looking at only those youtube videos and reading those articles that agree with your agenda.

And it looks like all those Wikileaks documents missed every conspiracy going also - or are these part of the conspiracy??

Why don't you all focus your talents and resources and unravel what really went on with the financial mess we are in. The tapes are starting to emerge!

Paul

Yes , fuel sample reports is what we need on here to prove it .
Could you please post the reports on here .

leprechaunxwwwx · 28-06-2013 11:24AM

pfurey101 wrote: »

I worked in aircraft maintenance for over 30 years and was surrounded by and dealt with airframe, engine and component mechanics, engineers, work shops, work planners, buyers, manufacturers, suppliers, parts catalogues, overhaul manuals, component and airframe maintenance manuals, wiring diagrams, service bulletins, modification joib cards, scheduled work call ups, fuel sample reports, AD's, new aircraft type initial provisioning and have been to Boeing, Airbus, component manufacturers, suppliers, maintenance conferences, customers that we supported and COMPLETELY missed everything to do with how they get the chems into chemtrails.

And all my colleagues in SR Technics missed everything also. It's no wonder our Swiss and Arabs owners shut the place down -how incompetant we were!

FFS lads, stop looking at only those youtube videos and reading those articles that agree with your agenda.

And it looks like all those Wikileaks documents missed every conspiracy going also - or are these part of the conspiracy??

Why don't you all focus your talents and resources and unravel what really went on with the financial mess we are in. The tapes are starting to emerge!

Paul

Seems everyone in the banks, goverment didn't know what was happening until the truth came out...so being in the industry and seeing nothing does not mean it isn't happening, I wish it did. .btw Its not an agenda, its a concern for you, me and people.

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