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Ban unhealthy food for overweight people

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  • #62
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Fewer laws, not more.


  • #63
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Guill wrote: »
    Some people will call this a implementation of a Nanny state law but so what?

    no point in bringing in laws that won't be enforced by many because they realise their a waste of time, we have enough of them all ready
    Guill wrote: »
    If the law forces you to be healthier isn't that a good thing?

    no, because it won't force someone to be healthy, the smoking bann was supposed to try that with smoking yet we still have smokers (dispite the fake social unexceptability of smoking these days)
    Guill wrote: »
    If the law means you are statistically likely to live longer shouldn't it be praised?

    it won't work
    Guill wrote: »
    I'd take this:





    well we all know how effective that law has been don't we?
    Guill wrote: »
    and turn it into something like this:





    considering the first law you would want to model this one is a failure i'd suggest we wouldn't bother.
    Guill wrote: »
    Pubs don't breathalyse people to enforce the drink law as it can be clearly visible which obesity is also.

    actually how do you know somebody doesn't have a disability or other such thing that may make one look and sound like their drunk even though their not (can happen with brain injuries i believe)
    Guill wrote: »
    The upshot of the whole thing is that if you live a healthy lifestyle and eat within your daily limits you can break out and enjoy a coke with a Chinese and some Ben and Jerry's afterwards but if you are overweight you don't.

    you couldn't make it up
    Guill wrote: »
    If you exercise then you will need to eat more but again if the belly starts to bulge you should be set straight.

    by who? some little scrote who couldn't give a **** about you but who probably gets their kicks out of over weight people
    Guill wrote: »
    Until we change how we look at food in this country we will never improve the nations eating habits.

    only an individual can do that themselves, no waste of time laws are going to make these people change their ways, education might have a chance but laws like this would be just another bunch of waste of time unenforcable laws

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #64
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    So, you want to target a specific class of people instead of banning the items from the entire population? Will shop keepers have the power to determine who is overweight? Will they rely on their own perception of overweight? Or, will there be a state defined chart describing how to identify an overweight person? Or better yet, when a person steps up to the cash register, they have to stand on a big scale that broadcasts their weight to everyone in the store? Why not add a bit of public shaming to the mix. Oh, and the store can give discounts based on how low your BMI is.


  • #65
    Reindeer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    Wait, when did junk food become part of a healthy diet?


  • #66
    coconut5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 696 ✭✭✭coconut5


    Guill wrote: »

    Now don't get me wrong. I was technically obese up until a few months ago and am now only classed as overweight. This is something that I feel could have kept me from getting Obese in the first place, i'm sure I would have hated it if it was brought in while I was obese but it wouldn't ever be an issue if i was never let get obese in the first place.

    No, what would have kept you from getting obese in the first place was not overeating.


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  • #67
    April O Neill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    Killer Wench wrote: »
    So, you want to target a specific class of people instead of banning the items from the entire population? Will shop keepers have the power to determine who is overweight? Will they rely on their own perception of overweight? Or, will there be a state defined chart describing how to identify an overweight person? Or better yet, when a person steps up to the cash register, they have to stand on a big scale that broadcasts their weight to everyone in the store? Why not add a bit of public shaming to the mix. Oh, and the store can give discounts based on how low your BMI is.

    Yeah, people never really think these things through, do they?


  • #68
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Obese people cost the medical system less than fit people.

    It would make a lot more sense to ban healthy people from working out. They'll eek out a few more years and cost our society more.


  • #69
    Sergeant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    A silly idea. The concept of personal choice and responsibility shouldn't be forgotten. It doesn't help when Government quangos are perpetrating the myth of the Food Pyramid as being the cornerstone of a healthy diet.


  • #70
    Dallas Uninterested Underarm
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Dallas Uninterested Underarm


    Sergeant wrote: »
    A silly idea. The concept of personal choice and responsibility shouldn't be forgotten. It doesn't help when Government quangos are perpetrating the myth of the Food Pyramid as being the cornerstone of a healthy diet.

    The safefoods thread will live down in history


  • #71
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Em, I'm not talking about theoretical physics classes, I'm talking about education on nutrition. And I don't mean "education" sponsored by the agricultural lads/food pyramid
    I also don't mean "But everyone knows", because what "everyone knows" seems to be that sugar and special k and more sugar is good for you

    Plus education on this daft misconception that it's cheaper to eat convenience food when it totally isn't.

    Anyway taxing the **** out of junk food is the solution. It will either discourage it or else generate enough money to pay for the healthcare cost of it.


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  • #72
    Washington Irving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,066 ✭✭✭Washington Irving


    Way OTT, OP. I'm all for reducing the overweight population but that's going a bit far.


  • #73
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I grow my own spuds so I can eat chips til I burst if I want to.

    Up yours OP.:p


  • #74
    Dallas Uninterested Underarm
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Dallas Uninterested Underarm


    Sky King wrote: »
    Plus education on this daft misconception that it's cheaper to eat convenience food when it totally isn't.

    Anyway taxing the **** out of junk food is the solution. It will either discourage it or else generate enough money to pay for the healthcare cost of it.

    People should be able to eat junk food if they want, not taxed


  • #75
    April O Neill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭April O Neill


    bluewolf wrote: »
    The safefoods thread will live down in history

    Link-a-me-jig?


  • #76
    Dallas Uninterested Underarm
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Dallas Uninterested Underarm


    April O Neill wrote: »
    Link-a-me-jig?

    Think this was it
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=72820697


  • #77
    A0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 666 ✭✭✭A0


    Unhealthy food should be banned anyway, not only for overweight people.


  • #78
    maguic24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    A0 wrote: »
    Unhealthy food should be banned anyway, not only for overweight people.

    If unhealthy food was banned completely, I think I'd lose my mind! I mean I eat healthy food Mon-Fri but I like some Wagamamas or Gourmet burger on the weekends. Saturday is my bad day, I tried to go cold turkey on 'unhealthy food' and I failed miserably. I just ended up over-eating and feeling incredibly guilty afterwards. I think banning unhealthy food outright is a stupid idea, we all like our vices in moderation (well most of us).

    In relation to the OP's comments, banning food for overweight/obese people is also a silly idea. How would you enforce it? I hope you don't suggest measuring people's BMI as a way to establish whethere a person is obese or not, as half the Irish Rugby team would be categorised as obese.

    I myself would be considered overweight according to the BMI index. I wouldn't classify myself as overweight...yes I'm curvy but I run 10k on a regular basis and I'm only a size 12. When I look into the mirror, I'm happy with what I see. My cholesterol is normal. Would I be denied junk food if I wanted it? Who will decide who is obese and who is not?

    What is your solution for all the people in Ireland who are underweight or anorexic. Do you think a law should be introduced to force feed these people.

    It is up to the individual themselves, if they want to eat, let them at.


  • #79
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    Guill wrote: »
    At my lunch break I watched a man struggle to get out of his car and wobble into a Deli to get a full fry.

    And I thought to myself there's a lad who needs a lot of things but a fry is not one of them. Should we make it illegal to serve overweight people certain food?

    The sorts of foods I'm talking about are fizzy drinks, fast foods, junk foods, etc. All the **** you shouldn't eat unless part of a healthy diet.

    Link

    We have people on here complaining about dole scroungers, people who add nothing to the economy etc. But what about the people who slowly kill themselves and drain our economy through healthcare and inefficiency?

    Some people will call this a implementation of a Nanny state law but so what? If the law forces you to be healthier isn't that a good thing? If the law means you are statistically likely to live longer shouldn't it be praised?

    I'd take this:



    and turn it into something like this:



    Pubs don't breathalyse people to enforce the drink law as it can be clearly visible which obesity is also.

    The upshot of the whole thing is that if you live a healthy lifestyle and eat within your daily limits you can break out and enjoy a coke with a Chinese and some Ben and Jerry's afterwards but if you are overweight you don't. If you exercise then you will need to eat more but again if the belly starts to bulge you should be set straight.

    I'm sure initial roll out would be painful for some people but the long term benefits would be terrific as the next generation grow up with it in place.

    Now don't get me wrong. I was technically obese up until a few months ago and am now only classed as overweight. This is something that I feel could have kept me from getting Obese in the first place, i'm sure I would have hated it if it was brought in while I was obese but it wouldn't ever be an issue if i was never let get obese in the first place.

    So.. What do you think? I cant see any reason why somebody would demand being allowed to eat themselves into an overweight state other than people complaining about policing.

    And yes I do know that being skinny doesn't mean your healthy but being fat certainly doesn't either and obesity is the major issue. Until we change how we look at food in this country we will never improve the nations eating habits.


    so you were technically obese and are now overweight - don't get too "preachy" - its a known fact that most people put the weight back on. :D


  • #80
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    OP,

    What about banning healthy/fit people from physical exercise? that should stop all the sports injuries clogging up A&E's all round the country.

    I say ban women from getting pregnant, the money spent on maternity units can surely be used to look after the elitists ' I'm perfect' few?!


    People need to get a grip! Everyone is different and has different reasons for being the way they are ... deal with it.


  • #81
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    dan1895 wrote: »
    I think this solution would be taking things too far.........

    A fridge too far.

    *gets coat

    This is a coat? I thought it was a circus tent.

    OP, what about people that retain water?

    What about the likes of me? I'm a whippet, but I eat all manners of junk food.


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  • #82
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you were to take AH seriously, the only people allowed to to exists( if you are a Nazi ) or allowed to show themselves in public ( if you are not a Nazi yet )

    have to be

    Slim, good looking, not on the dole, not a foreigner nation( unless you are a hot Eastern European woman) not a traveller, not a scoby, not a culchie, not a lefty.


  • #83
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    We've had our daily abortion thread, our daily dole bashing thread, our daily girl bashing thread, our daily fat people bashing thread... Who wants to do the honours and complete AH's day by making the obligatory traveller bashing thread?


    Wait. We were allowed to bash travellers? Why wasn't I informed?


  • #84
    Reindeer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    A0 wrote: »
    Unhealthy food should be banned anyway, not only for overweight people.

    I think the government should just pull out all the stops and go Orwellian on our sorry asses. It's what they want, anyways:

    Ban -

    Junk food
    Television, Newspapers, most reading not propoganda
    Video Games
    Most Shoes and Clothing(especially pyjamas, dear God please ban them)
    Ban clothing altogether for beautiful people
    Children
    Cats
    Cars
    Golf
    Alcohol, and most other drinks non alcoholic
    Tobacco, and most other plants
    The Internet

    There'd be so much less anger and unrest if we just simply had an Orwellian government. It's really as close to utopia as one could get.


  • #85
    kjl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭kjl


    OK don't discriminate against fat people, but I do think they should ban corn syrup based products and all the fake food crap.


  • #86
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    I say we ban stupid people from starting threads.


  • #87
    A0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 666 ✭✭✭A0


    maguic24 wrote: »
    If unhealthy food was banned completely, I think I'd lose my mind! I mean I eat healthy food Mon-Fri but I like some Wagamamas or Gourmet burger on the weekends. Saturday is my bad day, I tried to go cold turkey on 'unhealthy food' and I failed miserably. I just ended up over-eating and feeling incredibly guilty afterwards. I think banning unhealthy food outright is a stupid idea, we all like our vices in moderation (well most of us).

    In relation to the OP's comments, banning food for overweight/obese people is also a silly idea. How would you enforce it? I hope you don't suggest measuring people's BMI as a way to establish whethere a person is obese or not, as half the Irish Rugby team would be categorised as obese.

    I myself would be considered overweight according to the BMI index. I wouldn't classify myself as overweight...yes I'm curvy but I run 10k on a regular basis and I'm only a size 12. When I look into the mirror, I'm happy with what I see. My cholesterol is normal. Would I be denied junk food if I wanted it? Who will decide who is obese and who is not?

    What is your solution for all the people in Ireland who are underweight or anorexic. Do you think a law should be introduced to force feed these people.

    It is up to the individual themselves, if they want to eat, let them at.

    True, it would be silly to ban food for a specific category of people.

    AH posters don't want to read something too complicated. But, briefly, if people would understand the basics in terms of appetite regulation, reward system, addictive foods, etc., they'd better understand why it's important from a health point of view to ban unhealthy / junk food. The other thing to understand is how the food and drink industries operate, their ties with some scientists, and for example, why sugary drinks will never be banned?.

    I was saying to ban these foods to improve people health, but then it's "each man for himself", as long as my relatives / family don't go into that trap, then people are free to do what they want. The other problem is that obesity cost a lot but this is not clearly published in the lay press...

    Enjoy your treats ;-)


  • #88
    A0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 666 ✭✭✭A0


    Reindeer wrote: »
    I think the government should just pull out all the stops and go Orwellian on our sorry asses. It's what they want, anyways:

    Ban -

    Junk food
    Television, Newspapers, most reading not propoganda
    Video Games
    Most Shoes and Clothing(especially pyjamas, dear God please ban them)
    Ban clothing altogether for beautiful people
    Children
    Cats
    Cars
    Golf
    Alcohol, and most other drinks non alcoholic
    Tobacco, and most other plants
    The Internet

    There'd be so much less anger and unrest if we just simply had an Orwellian government. It's really as close to utopia as one could get.

    Don't be annoyed, a bit of discipline won't hurt you ;)


  • #89
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    Guill wrote: »
    At my lunch break I watched a man struggle to get out of his car and wobble into a Deli to get a full fry.

    And I thought to myself there's a lad who needs a lot of things but a fry is not one of them. Should we make it illegal to serve overweight people certain food?

    The sorts of foods I'm talking about are fizzy drinks, fast foods, junk foods, etc. All the **** you shouldn't eat unless part of a healthy diet.

    Link

    We have people on here complaining about dole scroungers, people who add nothing to the economy etc. But what about the people who slowly kill themselves and drain our economy through healthcare and inefficiency?

    Some people will call this a implementation of a Nanny state law but so what? If the law forces you to be healthier isn't that a good thing? If the law means you are statistically likely to live longer shouldn't it be praised?

    I'd take this:



    and turn it into something like this:



    Pubs don't breathalyse people to enforce the drink law as it can be clearly visible which obesity is also.

    The upshot of the whole thing is that if you live a healthy lifestyle and eat within your daily limits you can break out and enjoy a coke with a Chinese and some Ben and Jerry's afterwards but if you are overweight you don't. If you exercise then you will need to eat more but again if the belly starts to bulge you should be set straight.

    I'm sure initial roll out would be painful for some people but the long term benefits would be terrific as the next generation grow up with it in place.

    Now don't get me wrong. I was technically obese up until a few months ago and am now only classed as overweight. This is something that I feel could have kept me from getting Obese in the first place, i'm sure I would have hated it if it was brought in while I was obese but it wouldn't ever be an issue if i was never let get obese in the first place.

    So.. What do you think? I cant see any reason why somebody would demand being allowed to eat themselves into an overweight state other than people complaining about policing.

    And yes I do know that being skinny doesn't mean your healthy but being fat certainly doesn't either and obesity is the major issue. Until we change how we look at food in this country we will never improve the nations eating habits.


    maybe you don't mean it but i find you post judgmental, preachy and laying the blame on somebody else because you were obese. Were you being force fed or something.

    And as I said, it doesn't do anybody any good to start Preaching to others because they have "found the light" - most obese people put all the weight and more back on. Why do you think WW is such a profitable business - if it was that easy there wouldn't be a problem.


  • #90
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    No burgers for you, fatso. :D


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  • #91
    TheLastMohican
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭TheLastMohican


    Slippery slope. Next, ban overweight people.


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