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Irish Driving Test A Racket?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭kirving


    Most people don't intend to drive poorly, they are just incapable of driving to a higher standard.

    You said that you're only a bad driver if you crash willfully. This isn't true. Just because you don't crash, does not make you a good driver.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12 username432


    Most people don't intend to drive poorly, they are just incapable of driving to a higher standard.

    You said that you're only a bad driver if you crash willfully. This isn't true. Just because you don't crash, does not make you a good driver.

    No, they are just lazy. Everybody who can drive, has an ability to further themselves. To address the bit in bold, where the hell did I state that exactly? That is not what I stated. My sentance included the word "wilfull", which you conveniently left out. I will state an equivalent to that statement: "Only Dangerous Drivers are Bad Drivers". Happy now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    In the uk when I took my test , an inspector sat in the back seat, marking the examiner... This is a frequent thing and keeps the examiner on his toes...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12 username432


    Markcheese wrote: »
    In the uk when I took my test , an inspector sat in the back seat, marking the examiner... This is a frequent thing and keeps the examiner on his toes...

    Why is that not done here? I mean the first thought that came into my head is that the tester could potentially fabricate evidence if no other witness is present. All of these tests should be recorded on CCTV covering a full 360 degree range.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭ZombieBride


    You've never driven straight when a Guard is doing traffic light duty :eek:


    If I have I would just not had indicators on, that's what indicators are for :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer



    Why is that not done here? I mean the first thought that came into my head is that the tester could potentially fabricate evidence if no other witness is present. All of these tests should be recorded on CCTV covering a full 360 degree range.

    You can get an observer in the car if the same tester fails you multiple times. I imagine that if you had two people in the car with each tester it would be twice as expensive to get a test.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    You're only a bad driver if you crash willfully.
    A prerequisite for crashing wilfully is an intent to drive in a manner which is not conducive to proper, safe driving.
    Only Dangerous Drivers are Bad Drivers"

    Really, WTF are ya on about. I've read some horse sh1te on this site over the years and this comes close to top of the list. I know plenty of absouloutly crap drivers and not one of them would willfully crash. Being crap does not equal dangerous in fact with the exception of stock car drivers I don't know of anybody who goes out and willfully crashes.

    You are a bad driver if you don't or can't understand and stick to the rules of the road, simples.

    If someone can't or doesn't want to drive a manual why should they have to know how to drive one.
    I mostly drive a 16 speed range change with a splitter mabe nobody should be allowed to drive anything until they have mastered one of these.... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭somefeen


    maintown34 wrote: »
    Yet the test lacks basic skills such as an emergency handbrake stop.

    Just checked my copy of Roadcraft.

    Sweet **** all in there on using your handbrake if your brakes fail.
    There's a good reason


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Dublinwon


    Yes it is a money racket and yes I did fail the test. The reason given? I didn't slow down enough on ramps, the opposite I was told by instructor to keep speed same over ramps . They just make it up as they go along . Raheny the worst , less than 40%pass rate. It's all about the money now with their sponsored driving scheme mullarkey. They won't be getting another 85€ out of me is all I know. Ill gladly keep driving unlicensed like 60% of the country


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Davion Careful Cloud


    Dublinwon wrote: »
    Yes it is a money racket and yes I did fail the test. The reason given? I didn't slow down enough on ramps, the opposite I was told by instructor to keep speed same over ramps . They just make it up as they go along . Raheny the worst , less than 40%pass rate. It's all about the money now with their sponsored driving scheme mullarkey. They won't be getting another 85€ out of me is all I know. Ill gladly keep driving unlicensed like 60% of the country

    lol
    That's pretty bad, you'd kill your car trying that lark


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭reprazant


    Dublinwon wrote: »
    Yes it is a money racket and yes I did fail the test. The reason given? I didn't slow down enough on ramps, the opposite I was told by instructor to keep speed same over ramps . They just make it up as they go along . Raheny the worst , less than 40%pass rate. It's all about the money now with their sponsored driving scheme mullarkey. They won't be getting another 85€ out of me is all I know. Ill gladly keep driving unlicensed like 60% of the country

    What sort of an instructor told you not to slow down going over ramps? The whole point of the ramps is that you slow down!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Moon Indigo


    I have been learning forever.. with various instructors but never had my own car. I spent an absolute fortune on lessons and tests... and have failed 3 times so far. I eventually gave up on the whole lot and saved the money instead that I would usually spend on lessons and brought my own car and paid for the insurance every month. It was an expense at first but its worth it and every time I go out in the car for an hour I am saving 35-45 euro on a lesson.

    Moral of this is that while I think its good to get a few lessons to start off with if you have anyway and anyone to sit and help/guide you..then try save and get your own set of wheels to practice in. I honestly think that has been said confidence is the key to driving and thus to passing and you get to know your own car and its little 'quirks' :).

    I have applied for my test again. I would consider myself a decent driver and hope this time it will be it.. so I never have to do the test again! But with regard to the test.. I do think its a racket at times.. I have gotten the same tester in the same place twice.. but the great thing is you can keep doing it until you pass so as was said NEVER give up... just keep going until you get those words saying you have passed :D

    And best of luck next time!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    I was told by instructor to keep speed same over ramps .

    Only do this if you hate your car and want it to fall apart. I passed in Raheny on the third attempt, I just wasn't prepared enough the first two times. Stop blaming others for your incompetence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭Rubberlegs


    I passed the test first time about 5 years ago. That's all well and good, but unless things have changed since then, I think parking skills should be part of the lessons. From what I know reverse parallel parking is part of the lessons, and the test, in the UK. This was something I've had to figure out for myself, and tbh I still s**t a brick just a little, when doing it. Also motorway driving should be part and parcel of lessons. The Irish driving test has to be one of the easiest to pass...?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Dublinwon


    What I meant to say was I was told there was no need to go down gears over ramps during lessons whereas I was told I should practically go in 2nd gear at 5mph over ramps on day of test.Contrary to the aforementioned you will fail for lack of progress for going too slow over ramps. Plus the new system of " you will get a detailed reason in the post" instead of on the day is another copout . I got it in post and seriously there was one extra minor marked purely for the reason of failing. Anyway I should have known , it was raheny 39%pass rate there according to rsa , the lowest in the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Dublinwon


    Oh just remembered another contradictory point, I was told at pre test the "new" way of driving is you no longer have to come down each gear while slowing down or approaching lights, ie you can stop in 2nd/3rd gear at lights if you want , the back to neutral /1st gear way is gone. Day of test? You must go back to neutral at traffic lights etc etc. bull****.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Davion Careful Cloud


    Em, you stop in any gear, but once you're stopped you go into neutral

    And you slow down for ramps, but speed back up again as soon as you can. On the long flat ones that means once you're up on it...

    Are you sure you're listening to them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    bluewolf wrote: »
    lol
    That's pretty bad, you'd kill your car trying that lark

    depends on the size of the ramp but you should keep a consistent speed on roads with ramps where possible.

    The point of them is to slow you down over the length of the road, not just at the point of the ramp, speeding up and slowing down between them defeats the purpose.
    Em, you stop in any gear, but once you're stopped you go into neutral
    you can, or simply stay in first with clutch depressed, either are acceptable.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Davion Careful Cloud


    depends on the size of the ramp but you should keep a consistent speed on roads with ramps where possible.
    Unless they're the ones at carlisle gym where you have to go 1kph and still risk losing your car :D
    you can, or simply stay in first with clutch depressed, either are acceptable.
    Yeah, I just meant he seemed confused between what you stop in and what you're in once stopped!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    You have to take a driving test now for towing trailers, FFS.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    'Sir, i am sorry to say that you failed the driving test, meaning you are not safe to drive on irish roads. Here's your grading sheet, NOW DRIVE AWAY AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE.'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    Sky King wrote: »
    'Sir, i am sorry to say that you failed the driving test, meaning you are not safe to drive on irish roads. Here's your grading sheet, NOW DRIVE AWAY AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE.'

    Not safe to drive unaccompanied...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭cson


    You have to take a driving test now for towing trailers, FFS.

    Too right tbh. It's amazing the amount of people who have no concept of allowing for a swing turning corners or at an even more basic level; the fact that they are towing something that goes beyond the back of their car when changing lanes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Anything that makes Irish people part with their money is a "racket".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    Dublinwon wrote: »
    Yes it is a money racket and yes I did fail the test. The reason given? I didn't slow down enough on ramps, the opposite I was told by instructor to keep speed same over ramps . They just make it up as they go along . Raheny the worst , less than 40%pass rate. It's all about the money now with their sponsored driving scheme mullarkey. They won't be getting another 85€ out of me is all I know. Ill gladly keep driving unlicensed like 60% of the country

    If you go fast enough over the ramps your car hangs in mid air and a narrator with a southern drawl questions if your luck has finally run out this time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    Dublinwon wrote: »
    What I meant to say was I was told there was no need to go down gears over ramps during lessons whereas I was told I should practically go in 2nd gear at 5mph over ramps on day of test.Contrary to the aforementioned you will fail for lack of progress for going too slow over ramps. Plus the new system of " you will get a detailed reason in the post" instead of on the day is another copout . I got it in post and seriously there was one extra minor marked purely for the reason of failing. Anyway I should have known , it was raheny 39%pass rate there according to rsa , the lowest in the country.
    I don't think you failed due to the quota.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    like any test, you cram to get through it and once you pass you forget everything you learned.


    I passed first time by the way, I told myself the day i got my provisional that i'd have my full within a year.

    did a few lessons and a pre test, and got good feedback from the instructor.

    day of test i was nervous but didnt let it show. tester even gave me a second go at the hill start.

    I believe it was positive mental attitude, confidence and luck that i passed, even though i consider myself a decent driver.

    I know someone who took 8 attempts to pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    kiffer wrote: »
    Not safe to drive unaccompanied...

    You can drive unaccompanied on your second provisional. Or at least you could in my day.


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  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Davion Careful Cloud


    Sky King wrote: »
    You can drive unaccompanied on your second provisional. Or at least you could in my day.

    That was changed a while ago


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