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Dodgy Sky boxes

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  • #32
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Card sharing was big in Oz around 2006 to 2008.

    I had over 20 people hanging off one genuine card.

    Dreamboxes were all the rage.

    Oh the memories of the "good old days"

    Don't start me on "Gold Cards"


  • #33
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,609 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    So does card sharing not work in Oz any more?


  • #34
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,354 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Navarre wrote: »
    Sky digital has been around since 1998 It has taken roughly 10 years for this Illegal sharing to become popular. so hopefully what ever sky will do now that it cant be hacked, cloned, copied or shared.

    The fact is sky have reached a stage where they are effectively ripping people off. In years where the global economy is in ultimate decline how can anyone expect people to pay +110 Euro every single month.

    The price increases have very little to do with fraud and everything to do with sky outbidding all competition and effectively (for no value reason) over paying for premiership football.

    Why any company can balance paying 3 Billion odd for rights to football and then raising customer prices 15% to take up the slack its a laughable business model.

    None the less its the same effect as over taxing your paye workers, people will find a black market out there. Not saying its right or wrong but customers are happy to pay reasonable prices for a reasonable product. You cant bleed your clients dry it just doesnt work. Needs balance.


  • #35
    excollier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    Makes Sky sound like government - only difference is, Sky are optional and totally avoidable, thankfully.


  • #36
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    NIMAN wrote: »
    So does card sharing not work in Oz any more?

    lol NO

    The original foxtel, austar(now foxtel)cards are married to the box on activation.


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  • #37
    JustAddWater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    mad turnip wrote: »
    I've heard that the reason sky are upgrading everyone to HD for free is to combat this issue as the older sky boxes that do standard definition TV are not capable of using the newer card techniques Sky want to introduce.

    Do you have a source for this? I'm with sky SD subscription and never heard of free HD upgrade. I called and they insisted on €15 per month


  • #38
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,354 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    excollier wrote: »
    Makes Sky sound like government - only difference is, Sky are optional and totally avoidable, thankfully.

    That wasnt my point. My point is their business model is laughable, and if you read my post you would have seen that i said their 'business model' is laughable.


    Understand ?


    Kill the Goose that lays the golden egg so to speak.


  • #39
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,354 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    JustAddWater wrote: »
    Do you have a source for this? I'm with sky SD subscription and never heard of free HD upgrade. I called and they insisted on €15 per month

    No one has a source for this btw, its rubbish talk that has been dished out from installers to customer service reps to ops manager etc etc and has been waffled about for 2 years. There has been no organised concerted effort to date to do this. One would assume they may make and effort next year at a start. But having sploshed 3 Billions on rights it would be obvious to think where it the cash going to come from for a massive cross border hardware upgrade for free would be.

    Until then it will be drips and drabs and right offs for the rest.


  • #40
    Skull Murphy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Skull Murphy


    listermint wrote: »
    Understand ?

    He's on a crusade against the evil empires. Look at his sig.


  • #41
    MrFrisp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    NIMAN wrote: »
    This one?

    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a343699/british-pub-landlady-wins-sky-tv-satellite-card-case.html



    This is a similar route that my local Inn Keeper has taken.

    Got rid of all sky,and has about 5 different dishes now,and shows all different sports.

    And he doesn't pay a cent to sky.

    Saves him thousands and thousands of Euro a year.
    .


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  • #42
    excollier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    Skull Murphy wrote: »
    He's on a crusade against the evil empires. Look at his sig.
    Not really, but I don't see any reason to pay unnecessarily, especially when most satellite content is fta. If folk belive they need to pay to watch BBC etc thinking Sky is the only way to receive it in their area (and Sky never made any effort to clarify or refute this myth) then I feel I should point it out whenever the opportunity arises.
    Same for Microsoft /Apple, why would anyone pay for a computer OS? I intensly dislike near monopolies and lazy governments, they do little (if any) good and keep on taking money from the ill informed. Unfortunately I cannot avoid taxes. I am not a large wealthy corporation.


  • #43
    excollier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    MrFrisp wrote: »
    This is a similar route that my local Inn Keeper has taken.

    Got rid of all sky,and has about 5 different dishes now,and shows all different sports.

    And he doesn't pay a cent to sky.

    Saves him thousands and thousands of Euro a year.
    .
    Good man!


  • #44
    MrFrisp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    excollier wrote: »
    Good man!



    Not sure if your being sarcastic there now,,but I meant he's doing it totally legal.

    Different dishes pointing at different satellites so getting nearly all the channels from around Europe.

    No sub to sky required..He doesn't even use any of their equipment.
    .


  • #45
    theblueirish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭theblueirish


    What sky are in the process of doing now to combat this is a new way of pairing the card to the receiver which the "dreambox" type receivers cannot manipulate (yet).
    At the minute the Sky Sd boxes and some of the Thompson branded HD boxes cannot handle this new type of pairing and are being phased out/no longer supported by Sky.

    I have been using these type of boxes for about 6 years now, I don't pay a sub to anyone as I share one type of card for another, the way cardsharing was supposed to and did run at the beginning.

    Sky have tried a few different things over the years to counteract fraud. I don't thing it was that much of an issue to them a few years ago as there were people who only subscribed to Sky Uk/ROI so they could share with people in Europe to get more sports and movies than were available here.

    Its the explosion over the last twelve months of people selling cheap chinese boxes (a popular one is called a skybox) and selling year long subs to all channels for as little as £30 per year which is being addressed now.

    If anyone is thinking of going down this route I would say the bubble has burst and you may not get any value from it. You would be better of phoning sky and threatening to leave and you might get a deal for 6 months.


  • #46
    excollier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    @Mr Frisp, Not sarcastic at all, I set up a local pub with a few dishes to do the same, only thing is he has a mixture of foreign subs and fta stuff, Sky don't get a sniff.
    But it's like playing hide and seek, re-aligning dishes for any changes.


  • #47
    snaps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    JustAddWater wrote: »
    Do you have a source for this? I'm with sky SD subscription and never heard of free HD upgrade. I called and they insisted on €15 per month

    its not a free upgrade, but a replacement of your old SD box for an hd one. The 15€ hd charge still applies


  • #48
    MrFrisp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    excollier wrote: »
    @Mr Frisp, Not sarcastic at all, I set up a local pub with a few dishes to do the same, only thing is he has a mixture of foreign subs and fta stuff, Sky don't get a sniff.
    But it's like playing hide and seek, re-aligning dishes for any changes.


    Cool.

    Yeah,,I think it's one of the only ways for the pubs to go now.

    What sky charge pubs to show sports now is a bigger joke than what they charge domestic customers.
    .


  • #49
    MrFrisp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    theblueirish wrote: »

    Its the explosion over the last twelve months of people selling cheap chinese boxes (a popular one is called a skybox) and selling year long subs to all channels for as little as £30 per year which is being addressed now.



    And also the explosion of the commercial sub providers.

    When all this started out it was a few guys setting up a few lines for friends and family,,maybe between 8-12 people.

    Then the big guys come along and start doing it for hundreds and hundreds of people off just a few cards.

    It was never going to last much longer when that happened.
    .


  • #50
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭swoofer


    @mad turnip, I pay extra per month for HD so does this upgrade mean SKY are dropping the monthly HD charge?? Or do you mean they are giving a free HD box?


  • #51
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,609 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    You can hardly claim they are giving you a 'free' HD box if this box requires you to pay an extra €15 to get the HD channels.

    I'm guessing they swap out your SD box for a HD box, but you don't get the HD channels unless you pay for it?


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  • #52
    mad turnip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 710 ✭✭✭mad turnip


    NIMAN wrote: »
    You can hardly claim they are giving you a 'free' HD box if this box requires you to pay an extra €15 to get the HD channels.

    I'm guessing they swap out your SD box for a HD box, but you don't get the HD channels unless you pay for it?

    They seem to be slowly changing out boxes to the newer HD models, If you ring up they are obviously not going to just give it out because everyone would do it and they can't supply that kind of demand. But the HD channels still cost money, my friend just got his free box upgrade and they reduced the price of HD to 5e a month opposed to 10e but this is something they will call you about, not the other way around.


  • #53
    snaps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    MrFrisp wrote: »
    Not sure if your being sarcastic there now,,but I meant he's doing it totally legal.

    Different dishes pointing at different satellites so getting nearly all the channels from around Europe.

    No sub to sky required..He doesn't even use any of their equipment.
    .

    well there's where it is iffy. If sky have the rights to that particular sport for uk/ireland then showing that sport in a commercial premises may be illegal


  • #54
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,609 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    But is that not why they took that English woman to court?

    And lost.


  • #55
    excollier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    snaps wrote: »
    well there's where it is iffy. If sky have the rights to that particular sport for uk/ireland then showing that sport in a commercial premises may be illegal
    It is, technically speaking, but Sky created the problem, and they cannot be everywhere at once. Their own greed is the root of this and cardsharing in the first place. Slap it up 'em I say. They may be able to stop cardsharing, but they will have a hard time preventing foreign subs being used in a public place.Personally I have no interest in any sport or films they may encrypt, but I don't blame anyone who tries to circumvent their insanely expensive "pub" tariffs, legally or otherwise, and gladly supply the hardware.What they do with it is their concern.


  • #56
    MrFrisp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    NIMAN wrote: »
    But is that not why they took that English woman to court?

    And lost.


    Yes...Yes it is.
    .


  • #57
    MrFrisp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭MrFrisp


    snaps wrote: »
    well there's where it is iffy. If sky have the rights to that particular sport for uk/ireland then showing that sport in a commercial premises may be illegal



    I think where they get round it is that sky aren't always the only broadcaster to get the rights.

    So they use the satellites from other broadcasters,and don't use any sky equipment.

    I'm open to correction on this though.
    .


  • #58
    excollier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    Trouble is Sky are broadcast rights owners for Premiership in the Uk and Ireland, but who cares about them?


  • #59
    theblueirish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭theblueirish


    The ruling was about copyright infringement, the judges ruled that something that hasn't happened yet cannot be copyrightable. Sky have tried to get round this by making foreign providers broadcast the premier league logo during games.

    The EPL anthem and pundits can be classed as copyrightable and cannot legally be shown in a pub.


  • #60
    FREETV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    They could probably install some type of designed firmware that could automatically block out the logos when they appear. :P :D


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  • #61
    excollier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    It's been tried with limited success, but the logo pos up all over the screen.


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