Why do people litter ?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Same reason people piss in public - there aren't nearly enough public toilets and it's massively inconvenient to carry your piss around with you all day if you're not heading home or indoors shortly.

Substitute piss for rubbish and toilets for bins and the same applies.

Me bollix


Have a look at any busy area near a bin. Bus stops in the city centre are a good example. You will see arseholes dropping litter and cigarette butts literally within spitting distance of an empty bin

seamus wrote: »

Well bursting is an excuse, you can do serious harm to yourself if you don't let it out. You can't hurt yourself by holding onto your rubbish.

Only if you hold it for quite a long time. Eating like a pig and holding in a dump doesnt negate any responsibility of taking a crap in public. Its a persons choice to drink so much and be in a position where they know they will likely need to take a leak in an area they most likely know there is no toilet.

Peeing out of the way effectively does harm nobody. It's not about nobody seeing you do it, it's about doing it in a way that doesn't inconvenience anyone. It doesn't require anyone to clean it up and provided that you're not peeing in the middle of the path or the street, no-one is inconvenienced by it.

Its illegal and its illegal because not everyone will or can find a discreet bush to piss into. Lots of people will piss in alleys and in shop doorways or places where it will impact on others. Because once you justify the act itself and in doing so ignore the law related to it everything else boils down to personal choice. You ignore the law and piss in a bush because you think that's fine. Someone else ignores the law and pisses in a shop doorway because they think that's fine. There is no difference in the acts, you are doing whatever the hell you want to do regardless of what laws and restrictions are in place for that public area.

For all intents and purposes, peeing in public is no worse than pouring a bottle of water into the bushes.

And for all intents and purposes taking a shít on someone lawn is no different than their dog taking a shít on the lawn. It doesnt matter what you think of it or how you want to justify it, its wrong to do because there are certain standards for people to adhere to in society and you cant just ignore them and the laws in place to deal with them because you see nothing wrong with it.

That's a totally different thing to throwing paper everywhere which will stay there for a long time and will be inconvenient for a lot of people, either visually in general, or for the homeowners, shopowners and public servants who have to pick it up.

Its not, its you doing whatever you want because you see no harm in it. The people who littler likely couldnt give a crap about who picks up the litter so whats it matter to them once there is no restrictions to adhere to ?. As I said once you cross the line of being able to ignore the standard expected of people in society you can justify anything you want.

Why do people ? wrote: »

But what's convenient about it if spoils you're own area and wastes your local taxes that could be spent on something more productive ?

They must have worked that out, so why continue ?

These would be people who wouldnt have a great deal of pride in how nice their area looked or where tax money goes I'd imagine. I think you are giving these people too much credit tbh. They drop rubbish because they dont want to hold it, thats probably as far as the thought process goes in relation to it.

seamus wrote: »

Well that wouldn't exactly be peeing discreetly then

And both are illegal because faeces is not urine and it doesn't disappear into the ground.

The basic standard of conduct one would expect in public is to conduct yourself and you affairs in a manner which doesn't inconvenience others. Which is basically what I'm saying.

You also seem to be missing some simple aspects of biology if you believe that somebody only needs to pee if they've drank something. The majority of water comes from food, and in such cases the urine takes hours to collect in the bladder. Do you expect people to stay within walking distance of a toilet at all times?

But you're making up your own rules about what way you should behave in society. You cant do that while stating others are doing wrong. Others view of how to conduct themselves could differ from yours but they would be just as entitled to do so as you.

Being in Burger King in the small hours bursting for a piss is likely to be the result of having been out drinking, whether it be beer or shandies or whatever the hell.

As I said there are pubs everywhere in this country and open quite late, the chances of being bursting for a piss to the point of possible internal damage due to normal build up and it only becoming apparent in the couple hours after closing time and before you got home would be quite rare.

You seem like an intelligent fellow and quite often have reasonable arguments but I think you're stretching a long way into the fantastical here to try and justify you being able to do whatever you want regardless of the laws and standards of society to avoid personal responsibility for putting yourself in that position in the first place.

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

are that stupid or is your last sentence a fraping incident?

I'll take a stab at deciphering that lol. Or in your language: read good me know u say.

Well you see when I need to piss I'm aware of it before it gets to the point of being "bursting" unless I'm drinking several pints an hour. Would you have me believe that you were not drinking anything, and were unaware you needed to piss until you ended up in Burger Kings "bursting" where you were refused use of the toilets and there being no other toilets available in the surrounding area you had no alternative but to piss in public ?

seamus wrote: »

Of course you can
Isn't that the very essence of morality - that it's subjective?

Unless you believe that everything which is illegal is wrong and something is not wrong if it's not illegal?

I can of course say that littering is scumbaggery and urinating out of the way where it will be of no inconvenience to others, is not. Because they're two entirely separate things with different natures and different consequences.

If I said that dropping cornetto wrappers was wrong, but throwing cigarette butts was not, you'd have a point.

Here's a question - do you believe it's wrong to pour a bottle of water into a bush?

The issue here isnt just morality though its the unacceptable nature of littering and how people justify it. My point was that its easy to justify anything once you can ignore the laws in relation to it because you cannot hold anyone to the same sense of right and wrong. Ignoring public urination laws isnt done by people who just piss in bushes, its done by everyone who wants to piss in public and once you ignore the law it can be easily justified based on your own personal viewpoint. Whether it be lack of toilets, no harm done, do it discreetly etc.

They are not two entirely different things, its the same thing in relation to the problem in society of public urination. People make the choice to be in that position and then think nothing of pissing in public. Littering is the same, people make the decision to litter. Once you ignore the law you can justify it to yourself easy enough. Is it wrong to inconvenience someone ? Maybe they dont think so, maybe they think it wont be left there, it wont harm the environment, someone is paid to clean that area anyway. Maybe its just an eyesore ? Maybe those who do it discretely are doing it right ? Throw the rubbish behind the bush so nobody sees it until someone comes along to clean up ?

That question has nothing to do with what we are talking about, water in a bush is fine as an act, as is throwing shít in there, plants love shít. The problem is the act of breaking laws to do something that can easily be avoided by being a bit more responsible and then wondering why others do the same in accordance with their own world view which so often is "Fcuk everyone else". The law is there to enforce a standard, you can ignore that standard and do as your please if you like. But to then wonder why or shake your head at the fact that not everyone shares your morals and why there is no standard in how they conduct themselves is baffling.

james142 wrote: »

Maybe also cause the council are removing **** loads of the bins.. There used to be only one bin in our area (balllinteer) but they seemed to have removed even that one bin. Now you have an option to either dump it on the ground, or walk 10 mins down the path to the next bin.. Disgrace

Its a disgrace to have to hold onto your own fcukin rubbish for 10 minutes ?