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Airport Hopper - Maynooth-Dublin Airport new route

  • 18-06-2013 12:06AM
    #1
    Victor
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  • #2
    Richard Logue
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    Victor wrote: »
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    This sounds like a worthwhile service. However why do services have to have their own separate bus stops? All that does is unnecessarily increase the amount of street furniture.

    Bus stops should be available for multiple operators. Surely Transport for Ireland should own and manage bus stops.


  • #3
    AlekSmart
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    Richard Logue wrote: »
    This sounds like a worthwhile service. However why do services have to have their own separate bus stops? All that does is unnecessarily increase the amount of street furniture.

    Bus stops should be available for multiple operators. Surely Transport for Ireland should own and manage bus stops.

    Ireland does not do the ABC very well at all....we move directly to splitting the atom.

    Can somebody please post up a picture of the Bus Stop forest of Westmoreland Street,an enchanted location,full of magic and .....???


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #4
    n97 mini
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    I understand that the LA's insisted on sharing bus stops. For once, they did the right thing.

    How did this come about, where they've their own bus stops? Was it DB, or was it the company themselves?


  • #5
    Losty Dublin
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    I understand that the LA's insisted on sharing bus stops. For once, they did the right thing.

    How did this come about, where they've their own bus stops? Was it DB, or was it the company themselves?

    Local Gardaí and local authority's decide where stops go along with input from the carriers. If a stop is a busy one then one would expect the carrier to object to another company sharing it.


  • #6
    serfboard
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    Victor wrote: »
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    Interesting poster. One of the sentences doesn't end with an exclamation mark!


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  • #7
    Moonbeam
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    brilliant:)I hope the service is regular.


  • #8
    LXFlyer
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    This will be a very welcome addition to the airport network.


  • #9
    AlekSmart
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    I understand that the LA's insisted on sharing bus stops. For once, they did the right thing.

    How did this come about, where they've their own bus stops? Was it DB, or was it the company themselves?

    Remember,there is a distinction between a Bus Stop and a Bus Stop POLE.
    The Stop,or Bay,usually marked is the fifedom of the Gardai,NTA,Local Authority or the G8.......The Pole however is at the Operators discretion....subject to planning ;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #10
    dowlingm
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    If things keep going like this the airport may turn into quite the bus hub for those who would rather avoid "An Lar".


  • #11
    Victor
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    Aircoach - Cork-Dublin Airport is route 704x
    CityLink - Galway-Dublin Airport is route 760.
    Airport Hopper - Maynooth-Liffey Valley-Dublin Airport is route 767.
    Airport Hopper - Tallaght-Liffey Valley-Dublin Airport is route 777.

    I detect an extended theme. :)
    Moonbeam wrote: »
    brilliant:)I hope the service is regular.
    Ex-Glenroyal Hotel Maynooth - every two hours 04:00-20:00

    Ex-Dublin Airport - 04:45, 06:45, then every two hours 08:50-20:50

    Otherwise, use their Tallaght service to the Liffey Valley Footbridge and then the 66/67.
    AlekSmart wrote: »
    The Pole however is at the Operators discretion....subject to planning ;)
    Actually, if I remember correctly, a circular sign with the word "bus" is 'mandatory'.


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  • #12
    n97 mini
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    Is there a licensing reason this doesn't serve the city centre?


  • #13
    joegriffinjnr
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    Is there a licensing reason this doesn't serve the city centre?

    Why should it go anywhere near the city centre?


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    LXFlyer
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    Is there a licensing reason this doesn't serve the city centre?
    joegriffinjnr wrote: »
    Why should it go anywhere near the city centre?

    Could not agree more. Why would anyone living in Maynooth, Leixlip or Lucan want an Airport service to go via the city centre?

    It's supposed to facilitate people going to/from the airport - hence the M50 is the most direct route.


  • #15
    n97 mini
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    Could not agree more. Why would anyone living in Maynooth, Leixlip or Lucan want an Airport service to go via the city centre?

    It's supposed to facilitate people going to/from the airport - hence the M50 is the most direct route.

    That's not what I asked!

    Again: is there a licensing reason why it does not (or can not) serve the city centre?

    This thread is a follow on from the Ballina - Dublin Airport service which does serve the city centre.


  • #16
    Fred Swanson
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  • #17
    AlekSmart
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    That's not what I asked!

    Again: is there a licensing reason why it does not (or can not) serve the city centre?

    This thread is a follow on from the Ballina - Dublin Airport service which does serve the city centre.

    I'd suggest the operator has a finite amount of resources to allocate and this arrangement allows for the Tallaght/Maynooth services to be interworked ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #18
    Victor
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    That's not what I asked!

    Again: is there a licensing reason why it does not (or can not) serve the city centre?
    The operator bloody well doesn't want to go via the city centre. :rolleyes:
    This thread is a follow on from the Ballina - Dublin Airport service which does serve the city centre.
    Eh, not quite. that thread ran from 11-16 June. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056968642 but Airport Hopper didn't send out their pre-publicity e-mail until 17 June.


  • #19
    LXFlyer
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    That's not what I asked!

    Again: is there a licensing reason why it does not (or can not) serve the city centre?

    This thread is a follow on from the Ballina - Dublin Airport service which does serve the city centre.

    Because the licence holder applied for a direct airport service, having decided that was what they wanted.

    They've no interest in serving the city centre - they want to serve the Airport DIRECTLY.


  • #20
    Fred Swanson
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  • #21
    [Deleted User]
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    Is there a licencing reason why this doesn't serve Ratoath?


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  • #22
    n97 mini
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    Victor wrote: »
    The operator bloody well doesn't want to go via the city centre. :rolleyes:
    And you know that for a fact do you? When were you speaking to them?


  • #23
    n97 mini
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    More than want to go to the airport, on a typical day.

    It's great having an airport service and all that, but I'll only use it once a year, and even then I might not as it may be cheaper in a taxi if I'm travelling with the family.

    If it went via city centre I would use it at least once a month as I'm in the city centre after Dublin Bus has stopped.


  • #24
    devnull
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    You may use it more if it goes through the city center, but the benefits of a quick and direct link would be lost which would have a big effect on demand for passengers for the airport since they may as well go and use a travel 90 and get two buses with DB to the airport.

    It would also increase costs since you'd need more buses to run the timetable because of the extra end to end journey time, which would need an increase in fares.

    The whole USP of the service is it is direct.


  • #25
    n97 mini
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    devnull wrote: »
    You may use it more if it goes through the city center, but the benefits of a quick and direct link would be lost which would have a big effect on demand for passengers
    Personally I think more people would prefer a quick, direct and cheap link to the city centre 24/7, with the option of onward travel to the airport. I know I would, as aside from a taxi there is no other way to get to/from the city centre after 2330.

    Based on my own personal travel patterns (city centre at least once a week, airport one to four times a year) I can't see this service lasting in its current form. I think it would have better patronage if it served the city centre, on at least some services, even if it ran via the city centre from 2330 to 0600 only.

    I'd like to hear the opinion of others that live on this route too (MYOB)?


  • #26
    n97 mini
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    Victor wrote: »
    Eh, not quite. that thread ran from 11-16 June. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056968642 but Airport Hopper didn't send out their pre-publicity e-mail until 17 June.

    You brought Airport Hopper into that thread on post 15.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85073854&postcount=15


  • #27
    Con Logue
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    devnull wrote: »
    You may use it more if it goes through the city center, but the benefits of a quick and direct link would be lost which would have a big effect on demand for passengers for the airport since they may as well go and use a travel 90 and get two buses with DB to the airport.

    It would also increase costs since you'd need more buses to run the timetable because of the extra end to end journey time, which would need an increase in fares.

    The whole USP of the service is it is direct.

    I'm based in Celbridge and would use a direct Maynooth - Airport service but would never use a service that would go around the world for sport, ie a pointless journey via the City Centre. Dublin Bus' service from the Airport to and from Heuston is ridiculous enough as it stands.


  • #28
    devnull
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    Personally I think more people would prefer a quick, direct and cheap link to the city centre 24/7, with the option of onward travel to the airport. I know I would, as aside from a taxi there is no other way to get to/from the city centre after 2330.

    Based on my own personal travel patterns (city centre at least once a week, airport one to four times a year) I can't see this service lasting in its current form. I think it would have better patronage if it served the city centre, on at least some services, even if it ran via the city centre from 2330 to 0600 only.

    I'd like to hear the opinion of others that live on this route too (MYOB)?

    It would make it a longer route, which would require more vehicles, more staff, and therefore need higher revenue and prices pushing the cost base up.


  • #29
    n97 mini
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    Con Logue wrote: »
    I'm based in Celbridge and would use a direct Maynooth - Airport service but would never use a service that would go around the world for sport, ie a pointless journey via the City Centre. Dublin Bus' service from the Airport to and from Heuston is ridiculous enough as it stands.

    Dublin Bus's service to Celbridge is woeful, and there is no point in comparing a direct city centre service to that.


  • #30
    AlekSmart
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    Personally I think more people would prefer a quick, direct and cheap link to the city centre 24/7, with the option of onward travel to the airport. I know I would, as aside from a taxi there is no other way to get to/from the city centre after 2330.

    Based on my own personal travel patterns (city centre at least once a week, airport one to four times a year) I can't see this service lasting in its current form. I think it would have better patronage if it served the city centre, on at least some services, even if it ran via the city centre from 2330 to 0600 only.

    I'd like to hear the opinion of others that live on this route too (MYOB)?

    I think n97mini has a valid point,however,not in the context of the Airport Hopper service,which stands on its own merits.

    The most valid issue is the lack of a 24 Hour core service on the Dublin Bus network.

    With the company loudly declaiming it's precarious status,and apparently stuck in a rut which regards cutbacks,and conraction as the ONLY survival tactic,I see significant opportunities in offering expanded services (at an appropriate fare) to firstly establish then nurture a new Bus travel pattern.

    One only has to look at the quite reasonable loadings on the first City Bound Luas from Tallaght each morning to get an idea of this demand.

    I suggest that putting a regular,reliable and affordable 24 Hour core-route network in place would be a definite winner with the travelling public...however,when suggesting this,I usually wear protective equipment to ward off the responses !!! :D


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • #31
    Con Logue
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    n97 mini wrote: »
    Dublin Bus's service to Celbridge is woeful, and there is no point in comparing a direct city centre service to that.

    Indeed. That's why I use the train. Still wouldn't use a round the houses bus route to the airport.


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