Travellers have just moved in up the road

Wibbs · 17-06-2013 11:11AM

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot?

Or they are concerned about how this situation may develop going on previous bad experience? While most members of the Traveling community are not involved in dubious activities, it would take naivety of the highest order to suggest there wasn't a rogue element among them and an active one at that. Living beside a new encampment would raise concerns with most people in the real world.

The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Actually it's a very old term for traveling metalworkers. It may have negative connotations today, but was perfectly acceptable a description not so long ago particularly in rural areas and among Travellers themselves.

dd972 · 17-06-2013 11:12AM

3rd page and still not locked, I'm betting on a page 5 lockdown :P

AlekSmart · 17-06-2013 11:13AM

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

OP @ 11:52......

For Forks Sake: It's their culture. The Pavee Point Re-Education Committee will be along to correct you presently.

Appropriate response @ 12:01.

Slow News day methinks,I've seen far more rapid response times.

FWIW,Briantwin's PS would appear to deny the simplistic "bigot" accusation.

P.S. If you come on saying i am over reacting or that "they are people too "etc....or not all tinkers are criminals blah blah blah. I agree with you for the most part but you try having a van load of tinkers sitting outside your gaff for a week straight waiting for you to go to work so they can kick your front door in and then we'll talk. (This happened last year in the same house)

TheBza · 17-06-2013 11:13AM

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Get over it will ya, how about you invite them to live outside your house?

Gummy Panda · 17-06-2013 11:14AM

They could be hoping the council or community makes them a cash offer to fúck off.

The Backwards Man · 17-06-2013 11:14AM

Jason Todd wrote: »

What's wrong with 'tinker'? I thought the 'k' word was the bad one. Someone told me that tinker came from the tinkerman, people who would pass through places buying and selling tin and other metals?

It's a derogatory term.
If someone can't make their point without resorting to abusive and childish insults then I don't want to hear it.

Wibbs · 17-06-2013 11:14AM

dd972 wrote: »

3rd page and still not locked, I'm betting on a page 5 lockdown :P

Which is a pity as it's a subject that warrants proper discussion and measured debate. Sadly with this subject the latter can be rare elements indeed, hence the usual lockage. Like I say, a pity as it makes the whole subject a sacred cow never to be spoken of and that's not a good thing for any society.

Frank Black · 17-06-2013 11:14AM

Kai Round Undershirt wrote: »

Its always very hard to move them. If they parked in the middle of the m50, you would still have a job to move them

It's actually completely different depending on where they are parked.
On Council lands, the Housing Act would be used to move them on, but the Council must demonstrate that alternative suitable traveller accomodation is available.
If it's private lands, trespass law can be used - no alternative accommodation is required to be available.
If it's in the middle of the M50 (or any other busy road), section 69 of the 1993 Roads Act is used - they would be reomved very quickly under this if camped dangerously.

kc90 · 17-06-2013 11:15AM

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Are you sure about that? Tinker arises from their past when they fixed up tin/metal items for locals.

17-06-2013 11:16AM

Hang garlic around your doors and windows to keep them at bay.

lkionm · 17-06-2013 11:17AM

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Jaysus boss. Sensitive much?

I think the OP needs wildfire and loads of it and then salt the land so they can't return

AlekSmart · 17-06-2013 11:18AM

dd972 wrote: »

3rd page and still not locked, I'm betting on a page 5 lockdown :P

The Threadlock response simply mirrors the way in which the issue is dealt with in the outside world.

Mind you,I would'nt take you up on the wager .....:rolleyes:

The Backwards Man · 17-06-2013 11:18AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Or they are concerned about how this situation may develop going on previous bad experience? While most members of the Traveling community are not involved in dubious activities, it would take naivety of the highest order to suggest there wasn't a rogue element among them and an active one at that. Living beside a new encampment would raise concerns with most people in the real world. Actually it's a very old term for traveling metalworkers. It may have negative connotations today, but was perfectly acceptable a description not so long ago particularly in rural areas and among Travellers themselves.

The OP isn't referring to the old timers that fixed pots and pans though, are they?

FTA69 · 17-06-2013 11:18AM

Use that term in front of Travellers and you won't be long being corrected. "Tinker" is an archaic term that is now considered patronising and is often used in a derogatory manner. Groups are entitled to define themselves and what they wish to be called and tinker isn't on the list to be honest.

lkionm · 17-06-2013 11:19AM

kc90 wrote: »

Are you sure about that? Tinker arises from their past when they fixed up, generally, tin items for locals.

Thanks for the fun fact of day.

It also derived tinkering.
The more you know, guys

Clareboy · 17-06-2013 11:19AM

I always had the impression that we were not even allowed to hint at Travelers on this forum let alone discuss them openly.

RikkFlair · 17-06-2013 11:20AM

TV3 will knock an hour long documentary out of this.

harry Bailey esq · 17-06-2013 11:20AM

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

your entire post is a load of bollix. the op has good reason to be concerned. lets say maybe 5% of the general population(not just travellers) are scumbags,and lets say 100 travellers have parked up beside the op that means there are 5 scumbags who Will steal from the op at the first given opportunity.and before anybody jumps in and says what about the 5% of settled scumbags already living in the op's neighbourhood,the old adage rings true,you don't dump on your own doorstep.blatant trolling.

FTA69 · 17-06-2013 11:20AM

Also threads like this get locked because of the sheer nonsense, hatred and bigotry that people come out with. Already on this thread we have several references to burning people out of their homes. These same people will then moan they aren't "allowed a reasonable discussion" when pulled up on it.

It's gas.

Boombastic · 17-06-2013 11:20AM

Frank Black wrote: »

It's actually completely different depending on where they are parked.
On Council lands, the Housing Act would be used to move them on, but the Council must demonstrate that alternative suitable traveller accomodation is available.
If it's private lands, trespass law can be used - no alternative accommodation is required to be available.
If it's in the middle of the M50 (or any other busy road), section 69 of the 1993 Roads Act is used - they would be reomved very quickly under this if camped dangerously.

Some moved in beside me last summer for a few weeks. I was talking to the girl that was one of the people staying there. She told me she has a house in XXX town and only moves in to the caravan in the summer.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 17-06-2013 11:21AM

Frank Black wrote: »

It's actually completely different depending on where they are parked.
On Council lands, the Housing Act would be used to move them on, but the Council must demonstrate that alternative suitable traveller accomodation is available.
If it's private lands, trespass law can be used - no alternative accommodation is required to be available.
If it's in the middle of the M50 (or any other busy road), section 69 of the 1993 Roads Act is used - they would be reomved very quickly under this if camped dangerously.

therein lies the problem. unless there is suitable accomodation available, i dont think they can be moved. In athlone a few years ago, a load (50+) caravans were parked at the roscommon exit on the M6. They were there for around 6 months. eventually they left of their own accord. when they did, a fence was put in place to stop them from returning.
Similar story on the N63 near roscommon around 2-3 years ago, they were parked on a very dangerous bend, and were there for a few weeks. when the left, the side of the road was filled with mounds of earth.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The OP isn't referring to the old timers that fixed pots and pans though, are they?

in some parts of the country, travellers are called Tinkers, its not a discriminatory term. My grandparents always referred to them as tinkers, as they grew up with the people that fixed the pots and pans. The term just gets passed down from generation to generation.

Wibbs · 17-06-2013 11:21AM

lkionm wrote: »

I think the OP needs wildfire and loads of it and then salt the land so they can't return

Precisely the kind of thing that kills any debate on the matter. Just like the "oh you're all bigots" from the other side of the coin.

What should be debated IMH is how this sub culture of Irish society can be improved and integrated more for the sake of all. Their mortality rates alone are worth looking at. Education another. Attitudes have to change on both sides or in decades from now the same stuff will be happening.

briantwin · 17-06-2013 11:21AM

You say bigot i say concerned resident.
If my terminology has caused offense to any of the bleeding hearts i sincerely apologise.

But please do not change the focus of the thread away from me asking if anyone has had a similar situation. I guarantee the people complaining about my use of the word "tinker" have never been in such a bind.

The Little Fella · 17-06-2013 11:22AM

Invite them in for tea, get to know your new neighbours, just don't let them near your copper cylinder, fireplace, gates and most importantly your telephone line

thomasm · 17-06-2013 11:24AM

You have my sympathy, had the same situation for a long time across the road from our house. They caused a lot of trouble, burglaries went up, pets were stolen, rubbish was dumped in people's gardens, vicious fights were common place, guards had to have a near permanent presence. Local businesses were extorted or had there livelihoods threatened, elderly people were assaulted when they walked in on these guys in there garden up to no good. In the end a combination of guards, local council, politicians and court orders moved them on. Unfortunately they only moved a few miles and the same behavior is happening there. A local politician said to my neighbor he could not believe what the behavior of these 'people' had turned ordinary decent people into as a result of the stress and intimidation they subjected them too. Until you have experienced them up close you really have no idea what its like

AlekSmart · 17-06-2013 11:25AM

Frank Black wrote: »

It's actually completely different depending on where they are parked.
On Council lands, the Housing Act would be used to move them on, but the Council must demonstrate that alternative suitable traveller accomodation is available.
If it's private lands, trespass law can be used - no alternative accommodation is required to be available.
If it's in the middle of the M50 (or any other busy road), section 69 of the 1993 Roads Act is used - they would be reomved very quickly under this if camped dangerously.

Perhaps,Frank...perhaps.

However,longer term residents of the Tallaght area,may recall the long running scenario which ran (and ran) prior to the "Official" opening of the Tallaght By-Pass Dual Carriageway.

I recall the Local Authorities and the assembled forces of Official Ireland being notably unable to gain possession of their new dualler for quite some time.

Not sure what Legal Means eventually succeeded,but rumour had it that Cash was King..then as now .....;)

Wibbs · 17-06-2013 11:27AM

briantwin wrote: »

But please do not change the focus of the thread away from me asking if anyone has had a similar situation. I guarantee the people complaining about my use of the word "tinker" have never been in such a bind.

I've been in a similar situation on a couple of occasions a few years back now(before the council walled in the areas involved). No obvious change in crime rates TBH or none I noted. The main thing was the complete mess left behind in their wake(and killed trees for some reason?). The disposal of the rubbish and work to restore the area ran into many tens of thousands of euro.

Cienciano · 17-06-2013 11:28AM

listermint wrote: »

This wouldnt happen to be the luas redline is it, because i was driving around last night and there was more than your average travellers floating around the area with UK reg vehicles x2 of them drove right on through a set of red lights in front of me.

My money is on the redline. If it was on the green line they'd be moved on by now

gobnaitolunacy · 17-06-2013 11:30AM

Surprised we got to 4 pages on this topic...

The Backwards Man · 17-06-2013 11:31AM

briantwin wrote: »

You say bigot i say concerned resident.
If my terminology has caused offense to any of the bleeding hearts i sincerely apologise.

But please do not change the focus of the thread away from me asking if anyone has had a similar situation. I guarantee the people complaining about my use of the word "tinker" have never been in such a bind.

I have, we had a bit of a problem here a few years ago. But I'm mature enough to know there's good,and bad everywhere, and it doesn't take long in a thread like this for that become apparent.

And the word 'tinker' is an offensive term, it's no different to 'wogs' or 'fags'.
Just because a word was acceptable thirty years ago doesn't make it so now.

Travellers have just moved in up the road

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