Travellers have just moved in up the road

briantwin

Hi Lads and Lasses,

This morning much to my surprise and dismay a large number of caravans and vans have moved in within 100 meters of my house. Ordinarily i would not care, but due to the secluded area we live in it is of great concern to us and our neighbours.

Now before i get the army of bleeding hearts coming on giving me grief, i should clarify a few things.

1) they illegally entered the land
2) in our area there were other tinkers responsible for about 10 burglaries
3) They are now camped right next to the luas line

So i'm on here asking if anyone has any experience of this, and how we should go about trying to get them to move on? We have contacted the property managers and all the rest of that so we have to see what they say.
The Gardai notified me that they have had around 10 calls about them since this morning. They moved in last night.

The really big issue is that the field they have moved into is feckin huge and the idea of a mass migration into it is terrifying.

P.S. If you come on saying i am over reacting or that "they are people too "etc....or not all tinkers are criminals blah blah blah. I agree with you for the most part but you try having a van load of tinkers sitting outside your gaff for a week straight waiting for you to go to work so they can kick your front door in and then we'll talk. (This happened last year in the same house)

Specialun

We havnt had a travelle bashing thead in a while


**Gets Popcorn & Coke***

For Forks Sake

It's their culture. The Pavee Point Re-Education Committee will be along to correct you presently.

biko

You wouldn't happen to live in Sweden, particularly Stockholm University?

Stockholm University exchange students have been told to leave their accommodation immediately after a community of travellers set up an illegal camp nearby, raising concerns for the students' safety.

http://www.thelocal.se/48504/20130614/

howamidifferent

Put up a big house name on the front wall..."Nally Mansion"

SEPT 23 1989

I don't think its possible to love these beautiful people as much as i do

Frank Black

If they are camped on private land, it is a lot easier to get them moved. If they're on Council land - more difficult.

In the meantime, have you considered getting your driveway paved?

listermint

This wouldnt happen to be the luas redline is it, because i was driving around last night and there was more than your average travellers floating around the area with UK reg vehicles x2 of them drove right on through a set of red lights in front of me.

For Forks Sake

biko wrote: »

You wouldn't happen to live in Sweden, particularly Stockholm University?

http://www.thelocal.se/48504/20130614/

Unlikely, unless the luas expansion programme has lost the run of itself

3) They are now camped right next to the luas line

checkyabadself

briantwin wrote: »

Hi Lads and Lasses,

This morning much to my surprise and dismay a large number of caravans and vans have moved in within 100 meters of my house. Ordinarily i would not care, but due to the secluded area we live in it is of great concern to us and our neighbours.

Now before i get the army of bleeding hearts coming on giving me grief, i should clarify a few things.

1) they illegally entered the land
2) in our area there were other tinkers responsible for about 10 burglaries
3) They are now camped right next to the luas line

So i'm on here asking if anyone has any experience of this, and how we should go about trying to get them to move on? We have contacted the property managers and all the rest of that so we have to see what they say.
The Gardai notified me that they have had around 10 calls about them since this morning. They moved in last night.

The really big issue is that the field they have moved into is feckin huge and the idea of a mass migration into it is terrifying.

P.S. If you come on saying i am over reacting or that "they are people too "etc....or not all tinkers are criminals blah blah blah. I agree with you for the most part but you try having a van load of tinkers sitting outside your gaff for a week straight waiting for you to go to work so they can kick your front door in and then we'll talk. (This happened last year in the same house)

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

There have been few rumors of them been seen north of the wall, you must get to castle Black and warn them !!

c_man

Bad buzz OP, hope it goes ok.

dizzymac

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush?

I reckon the OP would literally have to leave Europe if they literally tarred a group of people with the same brush. At least use a different sterile brush for each person.

omahaid

I imagine nothing will be done unless you and your neighbours absolutely pester the guards, local politicians, council etc etc.

Wibbs

Frank Black wrote: »

If they are camped on private land, it is a lot easier to get them moved.

In theory FB, in theory. In practice it can get intimidatory quite quickly.

The Backwards Man

Anyone that uses the word 'tinker' gets no sympathy from me.

Mr. CooL ICE

Travellers. A grand bunch of lads. Wait, no, that's the chinese.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

Frank Black wrote: »

If they are camped on private land, it is a lot easier to get them moved. If they're on Council land - more difficult.

In the meantime, have you considered getting your driveway paved?

Its always very hard to move them. If they parked in the middle of the m50, you would still have a job to move them

WesternZulu

Give Padraig Nally a call?

dark crystal

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Have you ever had a group of travellers camped next door to you?

Boombastic

To get them moved on, Ring the council and the Gardai, they will be slow to do anything though unless they're blocking gateways

Spidermensch

I have a plan, although it involves fire. Lots of it.

Jason Todd

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Anyone that uses the word 'tinker' gets no sympathy from me.

What's wrong with 'tinker'? I thought the 'k' word was the bad one. Someone told me that tinker came from the tinkerman, people who would pass through places buying and selling tin and other metals?

Gummy Panda

So you don't like dags?

General General

Say you're with the Revenue Commissioners.

Boombastic

Jason Todd wrote: »

What's wrong with 'tinker'? I thought the 'k' word was the bad one. Someone told me that tinker came from the tinkerman, people who would pass through places buying and selling tin and other metals?

Tinker comes from fixing tin, a job they used to do. Some people find it offensive, maybe they don't like being associated with working? :pac:

briantwin

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

I take everything you have just said and filed it under things that i couldn't give 2 flying fecks about. Tinkers, knackers, itinerants, wildlings etc etc.

I would prefer for my entire post to stink of prejudice than my road smelling of stale cheese sandwiches.

Grandeeod

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

And we're off!

Corkbah

General General wrote: »

Say you're with the Revenue Commissioners.

or tell em you work as a welfare officer...and start counting their kids....im joking ...im joking !!

crazygeryy

Specialun wrote: »

**Gets Popcorn & Coke***

I'm sick and tired of reading that in threads its just not funny any more. mods ban it please.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Anyone that uses the word 'tinker' gets no sympathy from me.

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

most old people call them tinkers, as that what most travellers were around 50 years ago, i.e. people that work with tin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker

Wibbs

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot?

Or they are concerned about how this situation may develop going on previous bad experience? While most members of the Traveling community are not involved in dubious activities, it would take naivety of the highest order to suggest there wasn't a rogue element among them and an active one at that. Living beside a new encampment would raise concerns with most people in the real world.

The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Actually it's a very old term for traveling metalworkers. It may have negative connotations today, but was perfectly acceptable a description not so long ago particularly in rural areas and among Travellers themselves.

dd972

3rd page and still not locked, I'm betting on a page 5 lockdown :P

AlekSmart

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

OP @ 11:52......

For Forks Sake: It's their culture. The Pavee Point Re-Education Committee will be along to correct you presently.

Appropriate response @ 12:01.

Slow News day methinks,I've seen far more rapid response times.

FWIW,Briantwin's PS would appear to deny the simplistic "bigot" accusation.

P.S. If you come on saying i am over reacting or that "they are people too "etc....or not all tinkers are criminals blah blah blah. I agree with you for the most part but you try having a van load of tinkers sitting outside your gaff for a week straight waiting for you to go to work so they can kick your front door in and then we'll talk. (This happened last year in the same house)

TheBza

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Get over it will ya, how about you invite them to live outside your house?

Gummy Panda

They could be hoping the council or community makes them a cash offer to fúck off.

The Backwards Man

Jason Todd wrote: »

What's wrong with 'tinker'? I thought the 'k' word was the bad one. Someone told me that tinker came from the tinkerman, people who would pass through places buying and selling tin and other metals?

It's a derogatory term.
If someone can't make their point without resorting to abusive and childish insults then I don't want to hear it.

Wibbs

dd972 wrote: »

3rd page and still not locked, I'm betting on a page 5 lockdown :P

Which is a pity as it's a subject that warrants proper discussion and measured debate. Sadly with this subject the latter can be rare elements indeed, hence the usual lockage. Like I say, a pity as it makes the whole subject a sacred cow never to be spoken of and that's not a good thing for any society.

Frank Black

Kai Round Undershirt wrote: »

Its always very hard to move them. If they parked in the middle of the m50, you would still have a job to move them

It's actually completely different depending on where they are parked.
On Council lands, the Housing Act would be used to move them on, but the Council must demonstrate that alternative suitable traveller accomodation is available.
If it's private lands, trespass law can be used - no alternative accommodation is required to be available.
If it's in the middle of the M50 (or any other busy road), section 69 of the 1993 Roads Act is used - they would be reomved very quickly under this if camped dangerously.

kc90

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Are you sure about that? Tinker arises from their past when they fixed up tin/metal items for locals.

Hang garlic around your doors and windows to keep them at bay.

lkionm

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

Jaysus boss. Sensitive much?



I think the OP needs wildfire and loads of it and then salt the land so they can't return

AlekSmart

dd972 wrote: »

3rd page and still not locked, I'm betting on a page 5 lockdown :P

The Threadlock response simply mirrors the way in which the issue is dealt with in the outside world.

Mind you,I would'nt take you up on the wager .....:rolleyes:

The Backwards Man

Wibbs wrote: »

Or they are concerned about how this situation may develop going on previous bad experience? While most members of the Traveling community are not involved in dubious activities, it would take naivety of the highest order to suggest there wasn't a rogue element among them and an active one at that. Living beside a new encampment would raise concerns with most people in the real world. Actually it's a very old term for traveling metalworkers. It may have negative connotations today, but was perfectly acceptable a description not so long ago particularly in rural areas and among Travellers themselves.

The OP isn't referring to the old timers that fixed pots and pans though, are they?

FTA69

Use that term in front of Travellers and you won't be long being corrected. "Tinker" is an archaic term that is now considered patronising and is often used in a derogatory manner. Groups are entitled to define themselves and what they wish to be called and tinker isn't on the list to be honest.

lkionm

kc90 wrote: »

Are you sure about that? Tinker arises from their past when they fixed up, generally, tin items for locals.

Thanks for the fun fact of day.


It also derived tinkering.
The more you know, guys

Clareboy

I always had the impression that we were not even allowed to hint at Travelers on this forum let alone discuss them openly.

RikkFlair

TV3 will knock an hour long documentary out of this.

harry Bailey esq

checkyabadself wrote: »

You are literally tarring a group of people with the same brush? How exactly are you to not be taken as a bigot? The term tinker is a derogatory bigoted term and your entire post stinks of prejudice.

your entire post is a load of bollix. the op has good reason to be concerned. lets say maybe 5% of the general population(not just travellers) are scumbags,and lets say 100 travellers have parked up beside the op that means there are 5 scumbags who Will steal from the op at the first given opportunity.and before anybody jumps in and says what about the 5% of settled scumbags already living in the op's neighbourhood,the old adage rings true,you don't dump on your own doorstep.blatant trolling.

FTA69

Also threads like this get locked because of the sheer nonsense, hatred and bigotry that people come out with. Already on this thread we have several references to burning people out of their homes. These same people will then moan they aren't "allowed a reasonable discussion" when pulled up on it.

It's gas.

Boombastic

Frank Black wrote: »

It's actually completely different depending on where they are parked.
On Council lands, the Housing Act would be used to move them on, but the Council must demonstrate that alternative suitable traveller accomodation is available.
If it's private lands, trespass law can be used - no alternative accommodation is required to be available.
If it's in the middle of the M50 (or any other busy road), section 69 of the 1993 Roads Act is used - they would be reomved very quickly under this if camped dangerously.

Some moved in beside me last summer for a few weeks. I was talking to the girl that was one of the people staying there. She told me she has a house in XXX town and only moves in to the caravan in the summer.