Nigella Lawsons husband hands around throat in public

BMJD · 16-06-2013 10:46PM

copacetic wrote: »

Maybe I'm nuts, but there doesn't appear to be any pressure showing in fingers or neck and no mark at all, she also doesn't look upset, more unwell and in one of the photos he is looking up her nose.

So checking her neck for swollen glands as she is ill? Seems less likely alright, but it's not a great effort at choking someone if that's what it is, possibly public part of worse abuse put of sight I guess though.

that was exactly how it looks to me

if he was a big bad bully then he would be doing this behind closed doors

put the pitchforks away

sunflower27 · 16-06-2013 10:48PM

No paparazzi camera was going to MAKE him choke his wife. That was his choice. She looks terrified. Horrific.

Pumpkinseeds · 16-06-2013 10:50PM

Candie wrote: »

That woman looks absolutely distraught in the photos of her going to her car.

While it's possible he was checking for sore glands while she sits afraid and helpless, I think it's somewhat less likely than him being an utter bastard who is abusing his wife in public, not caring who sees.

Poor Nigella. As for the insinuation she staged the thing to have something in her favour during a divorce...sure. Devious cow making her husband choke her publicly like that.

Look there seems to be a bit of confusion here. I did not mean that she staged it. I simply mean that the paparazzi buzz around certain celebrity haunts in the hope of getting pics they can sell, if they hang around long enough the odds are that they'll catch some unawares. IF her husband were abusive and IF she chose to divorce him, it could be argued that his own abusive behaviour is evident in those photographs. As such she would probably receive a huge settlement from him as a direct result of him being caught abusing her in public. Which in my opinion would serve him right.

sunflower27 · 16-06-2013 10:53PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Look there seems to be a bit of confusion here. I did not mean that she staged it. I simply mean that the paparazzi buzz around certain celebrity haunts in the hope of getting pics they can sell, if they hang around long enough the odds are that they'll catch some unawares. IF her husband were abusive and IF she chose to divorce him, it could be argued that his own abusive behaviour is evident in those photographs. As such she would probably receive a huge settlement from him as a direct result of him being caught abusing her in public. Which in my opinion would serve him right.

So you are saying she took him somewhere she knew there may be a camera, got him mad enough to choke her so that she could divorce him and sue him? OK. Why not just divorce him?

jaffacakesyum · 16-06-2013 10:55PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

So you are saying she took him somewhere she knew there may be a camera, got him mad enough to choke her so that she could divorce him and sue him? OK. Why not just divorce him?

Did you read his post??!

Not getting the confusion regarding it to be honest.

sunflower27 · 16-06-2013 10:58PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Did you read his post??!

Not getting the confusion regarding it to be honest.

I read it, yes, thanks.

copacetic · 16-06-2013 11:10PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Witnesses to the argument at Scott’s restaurant said Lawson, 53, appeared fearful and distraught throughout the ordeal.
“It was utterly shocking to watch,” one diner told Sunday People.
“I have no doubt she was scared. It was horrific, really. She was very tearful and was constantly dabbing her eyes.”

Yep, checking for swollen glands mid argument.

Jebus, calm down. You asked for any other possible interpretation of the photo, and I gave one. I even said it was much less likely. I didnt read the article and tbh i wouldnt put any store in unamed witnesses potentially simply made up by papers famed for doing so.

Carry on with the daily mail mob mentality anyway..

kraggy · 16-06-2013 11:15PM

I don't think it's as straightforward as most think.

She's holding his hand in one pic.

Also, her hair is down in the pics when she's supposedly on the way to her car. Were the pics even taken on the same day? And she doesn't look to be wearing the polka dot blouse inside the restaurant.

Another thing, throat and nose being addressed in an attack? A health issue yes, but an attack? Don't think so.

Jamie Starr · 16-06-2013 11:19PM

Saatchi releases statement:

"I was just helping her to swallow her cooking."

strandroad · 16-06-2013 11:21PM

kraggy wrote: »

I don't think it's as straightforward as most think.

She's holding his hand in one pic.

Also, her hair is down in the pics when she's supposedly on the way to her car. Were the pics even taken on the same day? And she doesn't look to be wearing the polka dot blouse inside the restaurant.

She is wearing the same top and has the same hair in the "choking" pictures...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigella-lawson-attacked-husband-see-1955564

kraggy wrote: »

Another thing, throat and nose being addressed in an attack? A health issue yes, but an attack? Don't think so.

I don't think it's about wanting to choke her to death, it looks like he's grabbing her under her chin to lift her face forcefully, same for the nose. Like someone getting into your face to get a reaction or to provoke a fight. "Bullying getting physical" type of thing.

Pumpkinseeds · 16-06-2013 11:25PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

I read it, yes, thanks.

I'm not really sure what's confusing you, I could user smaller words if you like?

seanmacc · 16-06-2013 11:30PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

No paparazzi camera was going to MAKE him choke his wife. That was his choice. She looks terrified. Horrific.

How do you know she is terrified.

Have you ever had a picture taken of you that you didn't know was been taken. 9 times out of 10 your facial expression is going to be a weird one.

The paparazzi's camera can probably take 100 pictures a minute. The pictures that go to print are dam well going to be the most incriminating looking.

January · 16-06-2013 11:36PM

I really don't know how people are justifying these pictures at all.

You do not put your hands around your wife's (or husbands) neck, at home, in public, to demonstrate a story or otherwise, ever.

There is just no reason for it, ever.

Karl Stein · 16-06-2013 11:37PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

the rag of a paper has actually done her a favour in terms of a massive divorce settlement

Isn't she a wealthy woman in her own right?

Maybe she won't want a penny off him?

meeeeh · 16-06-2013 11:58PM

January wrote: »

I really don't know how people are justifying these pictures at all.

You do not put your hands around your wife's (or husbands) neck, at home, in public, to demonstrate a story or otherwise, ever.

There is just no reason for it, ever.

I know quite a few occasions when it was jokingly done. Everyone knew it was a joke, nobody meant it to be anything else but a joke and there was nothing scary about it.

I'm not condoning what was apparently done but it would be nice to avoid trial by media or lynch mob mentality. This story Is not newsworthy. at least not yet. I didn't bother reading the content but it's a matter for the couple and police. I dislike paparazzi and blood thirsty desire of people to know and judge every detail of other people's lives.

And this comment has nothing to do with my attitude towards domestic violence.

o1s1n · 17-06-2013 12:07AM

copacetic wrote: »

Jebus, calm down. You asked for any other possible interpretation of the photo, and I gave one. I even said it was much less likely. I didnt read the article and tbh i wouldnt put any store in unamed witnesses potentially simply made up by papers famed for doing so.

Carry on with the daily mail mob mentality anyway..

Calm down? All I did was quote something.

Carry on with the indignation anyway...

kraggy · 17-06-2013 12:13AM

mhge wrote: »

She is wearing the same top and has the same hair in the "choking" pictures...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigella-lawson-attacked-husband-see-1955564

I don't think it's about wanting to choke her to death, it looks like he's grabbing her under her chin to lift her face forcefully, same for the nose. Like someone getting into your face to get a reaction or to provoke a fight. "Bullying getting physical" type of thing.

You're right about the clothes.

But what about her keeping her hands down at all times? If I'm being grabbed at the throat or an unwelcome hand is anywhere near my face I do 2 things,

1. Pull my head back
2. Raise my own hands to get their hands out of the way.

I don't see her doing either.

Dyr · 17-06-2013 12:16AM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

And in one of the pictures he is holding her nose with one hand and the other around her throat.

Unless he's got three hands he ain't

strandroad · 17-06-2013 12:16AM

kraggy wrote: »

But what about her keeping her hands down at all times? If I'm being grabbed at the throat or an unwelcome hand is anywhere near my face I do 2 things,

1. Pull my head back
2. Raise my own hands to get their hands out of the way.

I don't see her doing either.

Perhaps she's used to it if this is what their conversations look like at home.
Or she's telling him to stop but doesn't want to escalate/draw attention by getting physical herself.

17-06-2013 12:17AM

kraggy wrote: »

You're right about the clothes.

But what about her keeping her hands down at all times? If I'm being grabbed at the throat or an unwelcome hand is anywhere near my face I do 2 things,

1. Pull my head back
2. Raise my own hands to get their hands out of the way.

I don't see her doing either.

Sometimes defiance escalates abuse, and the abused party learns to sit out lesser crimes so they don't provoke worse ones.

We don't know that this is abuse yet (although I think it looks a lot like it, and onlookers certainly thought it was), but if it is, that's one explanation for her seemingly passive response.

meeeeh · 17-06-2013 12:25AM

mhge wrote: »

Perhaps she's used to it if this is what their conversations look like at home.
Or she's telling him to stop but doesn't want to escalate/draw attention by getting physical herself.

Well then she will be really happy that those photos were published in some rag.

Pat Mustard · 17-06-2013 12:48AM

kraggy wrote: »

You're right about the clothes.

But what about her keeping her hands down at all times? If I'm being grabbed at the throat or an unwelcome hand is anywhere near my face I do 2 things,

1. Pull my head back
2. Raise my own hands to get their hands out of the way.

I don't see her doing either.

Agreed.

I'm not sure about the expression on her face, but it doesn't look like fear to me.

She is leaning towards him, despite the hand on her neck. She is not struggling to get away in any of the photos.

Looking at his fingers, it doesn't look like he is exerting any force on her neck.

The couple are actually holding hands in one photo, as was already pointed out by another poster. I think that she looks upset in that photo, but not afraid.

Hard to draw conclusions with absolute certainty.

artvanderlay · 17-06-2013 10:03AM

She might have been choking on food (probably a whole chicken in Nigella's case) and he tried the frontal approach rather than intervening from the rear. That's always my excuse when I choke a woman anyways

17-06-2013 10:22AM

Its obvious they were recreating the scene from Prometheus between The Engineer and David.

FTA69 · 17-06-2013 10:26AM

kraggy wrote: »

If I'm being grabbed at the throat or an unwelcome hand is anywhere near my face I do 2 things,

1. Pull my head back
2. Raise my own hands to get their hands out of the way.

I don't see her doing either.

Maybe she was terrified? Which of course is also a natural reaction when a large man starts grabbing you around the throat in a threatening manner.

It's pretty obvious what went on here to be honest.

17-06-2013 10:36AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342922/The-torment-Nigella-Lawson-Police-probe-husband-attacks-restaurant.html

If you scroll down to the last picture on the page, he's got a habit of being 'hands on'! He's like a spoiled brat doing anything to get attention.

--LOS-- · 17-06-2013 12:29PM

The picture where he's pulling at her nose and the one where she's holding his hand while he has his hand around her neck are the most disturbing. The nose one strikes me that he's taunting her, you can see her nostrils are flared from being upset/scared/ w/e in the previous pictures.

Still though, as unwilling as people here are to believe, picture do get taken out of context all the time in the press, these don't really strike me as that but I still wouldn't be 100% that there was abuse going on here.

NIMAN · 17-06-2013 12:30PM

If I was that close to Nigella, my hands wouldn't be on her neck .......

Laneyh · 17-06-2013 01:06PM

It definitely doesn't seem like a joke they were both in on or playacting. It wasn't construed as actual abuse either
or you'd hope one of the diners / restaurant workers would intervene.

It's hard to trust a tabloid newspaper but at a minimum he was behaving like a pig and caused significant upset and embarassment to his wife.

Trying to justify it by saying he was emphasising a point is ridiculous.
I imagine she didn't react more strongly because she was trying to prevent a scene. Only nearby diners would have been able to see or hear what was going on.

He doesn't deseve to be villified because he's well known / wealthy but at the same time it's important that bad behaviour is addressed.

There wouldn't be anything close to the level of interest if two joe soaps were captured on camera doing this but in this day and age I think it would still have been filmed and circulated online.

The tabloids are definitely not moral guardians but if you behave badly in public expect to have to deal with public reaction.

cofy · 17-06-2013 01:26PM

If Nigella had tried to move his hand away from her throat then the chances are he would simply have tightened his grip and the scene would have escalated further.

Nigella Lawsons husband hands around throat in public

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