Minimum wage

mikehammer67 · 16-06-2013 08:20PM

ted1 wrote: »

Once again bollox, plenty of employerspeople getting good slavesjobs from it.

mind your language

Chucken · 16-06-2013 08:20PM

Sauve wrote: »

No no no no. Jam in the butter? Butter in the jam? I've killed people for less :eek:

Can't bayte a good sherry trifle with those, um, what ya call them, crispy fingery biscuits....

Lady fingers

Mint Sauce · 16-06-2013 08:21PM

mikehammer67 wrote: »

count 'em and see

This is the 3rd since friday.

5th since wednesday if you want to count OPs which included the word dole.

Sauve · 16-06-2013 08:21PM

Chucken wrote: »

Lady fingers

That's them!
Jeepers what a name...

Chucken · 16-06-2013 08:24PM

irish-stew wrote: »

This is the 3rd since friday.

5th since wednesday if you want to count OPs which included the word dole.

Yesterdays one was brilliant though

16-06-2013 08:29PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Cant increase minimum wage, too many businesses are on the edge as it is. But i would certainly be in favour of slashing SW benefits for those who have never contributed a cent to the state.

Interesting article today - http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rabbitte-govt-paying-out-huge-sums-of-money-on-family-income-supplement-597643.html

ted1 · 16-06-2013 08:32PM

mikehammer67 wrote: »

mind your language

Nonsense.

Have you got a job?

mikehammer67 · 16-06-2013 08:37PM

ted1 wrote: »

Nonsense.

Have you got a job?

ya i work in anger management

would you like an appointment sir

clairefontaine · 16-06-2013 08:38PM

Cut down on motor tax and petrol tax. Make it affoordable to go to work.

ted1 · 16-06-2013 08:39PM

mikehammer67 wrote: »

ya i work in anger management

would you like an appointment sir

Two out of four guys we took on from jobsbridge were made permanent as they stood up to the plate and took responsibility and proved there worth both now on 35k plus standards benefits

jaffacakesyum · 16-06-2013 08:52PM

ted1 wrote: »

Two out of four guys we took on from jobsbridge were made permanent as they stood up to the plate and took responsibility and proved there worth both now on 35k plus standards benefits

For every one story you get out of job bridge there are 20 wasted internships in which the "employers" have no intentions of hiring anybody.

I'm not knocking it though - I'd rather do jobbridge and get the experience and not get hired afterwards, than sit on my arse all day on the dole.

DaveDaRave · 16-06-2013 08:59PM

ted1 wrote: »

Idiot, take some responsibility and you'll have a chance if getting a job from it.

nah its cool i wanna go to asia for a few months anyway

RayM · 16-06-2013 09:01PM

irish-stew wrote: »

Thinly veiled dole bashing thread.

How many of them have we had this weekend so far then?

A quick search reveals that there are around 150 threads in After Hours with the word 'dole' in the title (the oldest being from nine years ago). The vast majority of which could be described as "dole-bashing". Interestingly, all but six of those threads were started in the last five years (i.e. since the recession).

I'll never understand why people choose to direct their anger towards the unemployed during a recession.

dotsman · 16-06-2013 09:03PM

Can't believe people actually think we should increase minimum wage.

I can believe that Labour are considering it, but that's because they don't have a clue.

6 years into the current economic crisis and people are still blaming "the banks" & "the developers" etc, without fully appreciating how we got ourselves into this mess (of which our constant increasing of minimum wage was a huge part).

We need to reduce/eliminate the minimum wage, not increase it. There are already enough unemployed people without dramatically increasing that number, forcing more people onto unemployment benefit, when we can't afford to pay those who are already on it.

maryishere · 16-06-2013 09:06PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Cant increase minimum wage, too many businesses are on the edge as it is. But i would certainly be in favour of slashing SW benefits for those who have never contributed a cent to the state.

Our minimum wage is out of line with our competitors. It is too high. I remember when it was increased the price of everything went up, from the price of haircuts to the price of things in the shops to restaurant meals to hotels, as even the people cleaning the floors had to be paid the minimum wage, and everyones expectations went up. IMHO one of the mistakes ( not the worst one, but still a mistake ) the Ahern government made was to repeatedly increase the minimum wage.
The dole and pensions need to be cut too of course, we cannot afford them. We are still out of line with more prosperous nations.

Mint Sauce · 16-06-2013 09:25PM

RayM wrote: »

A quick search reveals that there are around 150 threads in After Hours with the word 'dole' in the title (the oldest being from nine years ago). The vast majority of which could be described as "dole-bashing". Interestingly, all but six of those threads were started in the last five years (i.e. since the recession).

I'll never understand why people choose to direct their anger towards the unemployed during a recession.

And five since wednesday where it was mentioned in the OP.

Think my stat though represents a higher level of anger. Although some of this could just be trolling, highlighting the issue, or just a failure to use the search.

I think the main point of alot of these thread though is that there was some people who were unemployed during the ressesion, were also unemployed prior to it, ie, the career unemployed.

People who lost their jobs during this time, my self one of them, I dont think are a target of this anger, only maybe from a few ill informed or blinkered individuals.

As for the minimum wage, on a higher level my self, very much doubt though it would mean a wage increase for me, but maybe cuts to hours or even employment to people doing the exact same job as my self and to others in other employment areas.

mikehammer67 · 16-06-2013 09:26PM

how many has ted1 posted on

languagenerd · 16-06-2013 09:29PM

I don't think minimum wage should be changed at all at the moment. Can't put it up because lots of businesses are struggling as it is (and if they had to pay their staff any more they might fold completely), but if we lowered it, many people simply couldn't afford to live.

In Dublin, if you're working full time on minimum wage, you spend around half your monthly wages on rent alone, nevermind bills and groceries (all of which are more expensive here than in many other European countries whose minimum wages are lower). And that's only if you're working full time. Many people on minimum wage these days can only get part time work, so cutting their wages could be disastrous.

I find the people who complain most about minimum wage aren't the ones who are earning it...

generalmental · 16-06-2013 09:32PM

mikehammer67 wrote: »

scrap jobbridge

Not a bad idea. I applied for a jobbridge internship in super valu. Of all places you think they would just offer a job.

Who the hell needs training to stack a few shelves just a scam so companies can get some slave labour.

By the way I didn't get the "job"

SCOOP 64 · 16-06-2013 09:33PM

maryishere wrote: »

Our minimum wage is out of line with our competitors. It is too high. I remember when it was increased the price of everything went up, from the price of haircuts to the price of things in the shops to restaurant meals to hotels, as even the people cleaning the floors had to be paid the minimum wage, and everyones expectations went up. IMHO one of the mistakes ( not the worst one, but still a mistake ) the Ahern government made was to repeatedly increase the minimum wage.
The dole and pensions need to be cut too of course, we cannot afford them. We are still out of line with more prosperous nations.

"as even the people cleaning the floors had to be paid mininum wage"

Jesus christ!

stefan idiot jones · 16-06-2013 09:37PM

We had a guy in my local who looked like Elmer Fudd, so the nickname stuck.
We also had Danny Devito, Pigeon, Two Dogs Fu@kin' and even Thistle (who was a Scottish grass).

Anyone else know of any unwanted and cruel nicknames that stuck ? Sorry to derail this superb and topical thread.

mikehammer67 · 16-06-2013 09:37PM

generalmental wrote: »

Not a bad idea. I applied for a jobbridge internship in super valu. Of all places you think they would just offer a job.

Who the hell needs training to stack a few shelves just a scam so companies can get some slave labour.

By the way I didn't get the "job"

thats how it work buddy only ted1 and his friends didn hear the news like............

ted1 · 16-06-2013 09:40PM

generalmental wrote: »

Not a bad idea. I applied for a jobbridge internship in super valu. Of all places you think they would just offer a job.

Who the hell needs training to stack a few shelves just a scam so companies can get some slave labour.

By the way I didn't get the "job"

you'd be surprised at how bad people are at taking instruction, time managment, customer relationship, personal appearance.

This is where those jobs fit in. people applying for those jobs are going to be looking at low level jobs.

personally in situations like ours, we take on people with qualifications, who we could not mormally afford to take a risk with (as we are not fully sure if there is a need for them, in that would a 2nd software tester add value to the organisation) and if they can prove themselves of value then we create a full tiem role for them.

nino1 · 16-06-2013 09:41PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Allegedly what keeps the cost of living so ridiculously high in Ireland is high rents, and it's about time something was done about that. How can we expect to be competitive when you can get almost anything you want cheaper by just popping over the border into NI? It's ridiculous.

Do you think if rents fell that retailers would

1) pass on the savings made on rent to the consumer by lowering prices
or
2) use the extra money as increased profits?

I know which one I'd do!

ted1 · 16-06-2013 09:42PM

mikehammer67 wrote: »

thats how it work buddy only ted1 and his friends didn hear the news like............

pretty large chip on your shoulder there Mike.

if you think Supervalu are taking the piss, then don't apply, simple as. but there are people out there with no expereience of working and this might give themn the boost they need.

mikehammer67 · 16-06-2013 09:46PM

ted1 wrote: »

this might give them the boost they need IF THEY GOT A PROPER WAGE FOR IT.

FYP

generalmental · 16-06-2013 09:58PM

ted1 wrote: »

you'd be surprised at how bad people are at taking instruction, time managment, customer relationship, personal appearance.

This is where those jobs fit in. people applying for those jobs are going to be looking at low level jobs.

personally in situations like ours, we take on people with qualifications, who we could not mormally afford to take a risk with (as we are not fully sure if there is a need for them, in that would a 2nd software tester add value to the organisation) and if they can prove themselves of value then we create a full tiem role for them.

I have no problem using jobbridge at all if it got myself some decent experience with an I.t company or something along those lines.

But supervalu come on now anyone with a brain can see that companies like these are just exploiting people for cheap labour.
How can you ask someone to work 39 hours a week for an extra €50.

You seem to advocating a cut in dole
My instance.
Myself my wife and my 4 month old child
342.60 a week
105 rent
80 on bills
65 shopping
13 baby formula
6 bin charges
25 for tax insurance and petrol

So tell me where I can cut some more

SCOOP 64 · 16-06-2013 10:04PM

€65 on food a week? dont know how you do it.

RayM · 16-06-2013 10:06PM

irish-stew wrote: »

I think the main point of alot of these thread though is that there was some people who were unemployed during the ressesion, were also unemployed prior to it, ie, the career unemployed.

But that's a tiny number of people. Certainly not enough to justify daily dole-bashing threads. I can sort of understand people being angry with them five or six years ago, but it seems quite pointless now that there aren't any jobs for them. Most of the anger seems to be aimed towards the unemployed in general. In this thread, for instance, we've had people claiming that the best way to get people working is to "cut the dole".

dotsman wrote:

We need to reduce/eliminate the minimum wage, not increase it. There are already enough unemployed people without dramatically increasing that number, forcing more people onto unemployment benefit, when we can't afford to pay those who are already on it.

Urgh... If the minimum wage was reduced or eliminated, the right-wing fallacy that the dole is more lucrative than low paid or entry-level jobs would inevitably become a reality...

...oh wait, I bet you also want social welfare rates to be cut, don't you? Because let's face it - those who want the minimum wage abolished are, with very few exceptions, the very same types who think social welfare recipients are leading lives of luxury.

generalmental · 16-06-2013 10:07PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

€65 on food a week? dont know how you do it.

I know its a struggle at that thank god for the german retailers

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