Minimum wage

DJjazzyjeff

Is it about time to up the minimun wage. People live better lives on the dole and rent allowance.

professore

DJjazzyjeff wrote: »

Is it about time to up the minimun wage. People live better lives on the dole and rent allowance.

Time to cut rent allowance instead

Amirani

Minimum wage is at an appropriate level I reckon. I think we'd be better off with downward pressure on welfare payments rather than upwards pressure on wages.

donvito99

Minimun is a smaller village North of Ballymun.

Fox_In_Socks

Cut down on threads, more like.

MonkstownHoop

DJjazzyjeff wrote: »

Is it about time to up the minimun wage. People live better lives on the dole and rent allowance.

Is Minimun wage strictly a Ballymun thing?

ted1

DJjazzyjeff wrote: »

Is it about time to up the minimun wage. People live better lives on the dole and rent allowance.

Bollox its far to high. They need to cut the dole and rent allowance

hfallada

Something like only 4 % of workers are on it in Ireland. But it's used to set other wage rates. So by increasing the minimum wage you are increasing a lot of wages indirectly.

The best way to get people working is to cut dole. I don't think an extra few euros a week on the minimum wage is going to get people to work

hatrickpatrick

NiallSparky wrote: »

Minimum wage is at an appropriate level I reckon. I think we'd be better off with downward pressure on welfare payments rather than upwards pressure on wages.

IMO neither of these is correct. There needs to be serious downward pressure on the overall cost of living. People always point to the fact that Ireland is uncompetitive because of high wage expectations and so on - what they rarely point out is that a litre of milk in Dublin costs about twice as much as it would in the UK. Hell, a pint of beer in Dublin costs a euro more than it would down the country, generally speaking.

Allegedly what keeps the cost of living so ridiculously high in Ireland is high rents, and it's about time something was done about that. How can we expect to be competitive when you can get almost anything you want cheaper by just popping over the border into NI? It's ridiculous.

Chucken

DJjazzyjeff wrote: »

Is it about time to up the minimun wage. People live better lives on the dole and rent allowance.

You have experience of this I suppose? Considering you just did your junior cert!

Stinicker

Why not introduce wage subsides and get rid of those useless FAS schemes and internships, effectively allow people to get around €100 - €150/week from the dole with the employer paying the rest to bring the wage up the minimum of circa €340/ week.

Cutting the dole is totally unacceptable and so is expecting people to work for similar <€200/week wages. I know many welfare recipients who'd rather work but working for the same money as the dole is a sick joke and is no different to slavery.

Wacker The Attacker

tuk ur minimum wage job

mikehammer67

scrap jobbridge

RayM

hfallada wrote: »

The best way to get people working is to cut dole. I don't think an extra few euros a week on the minimum wage is going to get people to work

Idiotic. How many jobs would be created by cutting the dole?

Phoebas

mikehammer67 wrote: »

scrap jobbridge

How would that impact on the minimum wage?

Mint Sauce

Thinly veiled dole bashing thread.

How many of them have we had this weekend so far then?

The Backwards Man

Jam.

mikehammer67

irish-stew wrote: »

Thinly veiled dole bashing thread.

How many of them have we had this weekend so far then?

count 'em and see

Guy:Incognito

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

- what they rarely point out is that a litre of milk in Dublin costs about twice as much as it would in the UK.

Dunnes have 2 litres of milk for 99c. Centra and spar have them for 1.19 or 1.29. Not sure how cheap milk can be produced but 20-25p a litre retail seems way too cheap.

Sauve

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Jam.

You can have butter or jam.

The Backwards Man

Sauve wrote: »

You can have butter or jam.

You know when someone before you stuck their knife in the butter dish and there was jam on it before and they leave a wee sliver of jam on top of the butter and you get that on your piece?

I love that.

Chucken

What are our feelings on trifle?

The Backwards Man

Chucken wrote: »

What are our feelings on trifle?

With Remy Martin instead of sherry? Yes please.:)

suicide_circus

Cant increase minimum wage, too many businesses are on the edge as it is. But i would certainly be in favour of slashing SW benefits for those who have never contributed a cent to the state.

ted1

mikehammer67 wrote: »

scrap jobbridge

Once again bollox, plenty of people getting good jobs from it.

jaffacakesyum

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

IMO neither of these is correct. There needs to be serious downward pressure on the overall cost of living. People always point to the fact that Ireland is uncompetitive because of high wage expectations and so on - what they rarely point out is that a litre of milk in Dublin costs about twice as much as it would in the UK. Hell, a pint of beer in Dublin costs a euro more than it would down the country, generally speaking.

Allegedly what keeps the cost of living so ridiculously high in Ireland is high rents, and it's about time something was done about that. How can we expect to be competitive when you can get almost anything you want cheaper by just popping over the border into NI? It's ridiculous.

I agree cost of living is ridiculous in Ireland - how do we solve that though? Genuine question as I by no means have an extensive knowledge of economics :pac:

DaveDaRave

jobbridge is great u get 250 a week and u dont feel responsible for ur job coz theyyre not paying u anyway, its win in

suicide_circus

The Backwards Man wrote: »

With Remy Martin instead of sherry? Yes please.:)

Living the vida loca i see?

Sauve

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You know when someone before you stuck their knife in the butter dish and there was jam on it before and they leave a wee sliver of jam on top of the butter and you get that on your piece?

I love that.

No no no no. Jam in the butter? Butter in the jam? I've killed people for less :eek:

Chucken wrote: »

What are our feelings on trifle?

Can't bayte a good sherry trifle with those, um, what ya call them, crispy fingery biscuits....

ted1

DaveDaRave wrote: »

jobbridge is great u get 250 a week and u dont feel responsible for ur job coz theyyre not paying u anyway, its win in

Idiot, take some responsibility and you'll have a chance if getting a job from it.

The Backwards Man

suicide_circus wrote: »

Living the vida loca i see?

Yeah, minimum wage is way too high.:p

mikehammer67

ted1 wrote: »

Once again bollox, plenty of employerspeople getting good slavesjobs from it.

mind your language

Chucken

Sauve wrote: »

No no no no. Jam in the butter? Butter in the jam? I've killed people for less :eek:



Can't bayte a good sherry trifle with those, um, what ya call them, crispy fingery biscuits....

Lady fingers

Mint Sauce

mikehammer67 wrote: »

count 'em and see

This is the 3rd since friday.



5th since wednesday if you want to count OPs which included the word dole.

Sauve

Chucken wrote: »

Lady fingers

That's them!
Jeepers what a name...

Chucken

irish-stew wrote: »

This is the 3rd since friday.



5th since wednesday if you want to count OPs which included the word dole.

Yesterdays one was brilliant though

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

Cant increase minimum wage, too many businesses are on the edge as it is. But i would certainly be in favour of slashing SW benefits for those who have never contributed a cent to the state.

Interesting article today - http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rabbitte-govt-paying-out-huge-sums-of-money-on-family-income-supplement-597643.html

ted1

mikehammer67 wrote: »

mind your language

Nonsense.

Have you got a job?

mikehammer67

ted1 wrote: »

Nonsense.

Have you got a job?

ya i work in anger management

would you like an appointment sir

clairefontaine

Cut down on motor tax and petrol tax. Make it affoordable to go to work.

ted1

mikehammer67 wrote: »

ya i work in anger management

would you like an appointment sir

Two out of four guys we took on from jobsbridge were made permanent as they stood up to the plate and took responsibility and proved there worth both now on 35k plus standards benefits

jaffacakesyum

ted1 wrote: »

Two out of four guys we took on from jobsbridge were made permanent as they stood up to the plate and took responsibility and proved there worth both now on 35k plus standards benefits

For every one story you get out of job bridge there are 20 wasted internships in which the "employers" have no intentions of hiring anybody.

I'm not knocking it though - I'd rather do jobbridge and get the experience and not get hired afterwards, than sit on my arse all day on the dole.

DaveDaRave

ted1 wrote: »

Idiot, take some responsibility and you'll have a chance if getting a job from it.

nah its cool i wanna go to asia for a few months anyway

RayM

irish-stew wrote: »

Thinly veiled dole bashing thread.

How many of them have we had this weekend so far then?

A quick search reveals that there are around 150 threads in After Hours with the word 'dole' in the title (the oldest being from nine years ago). The vast majority of which could be described as "dole-bashing". Interestingly, all but six of those threads were started in the last five years (i.e. since the recession).

I'll never understand why people choose to direct their anger towards the unemployed during a recession.

dotsman

Can't believe people actually think we should increase minimum wage.

I can believe that Labour are considering it, but that's because they don't have a clue.

6 years into the current economic crisis and people are still blaming "the banks" & "the developers" etc, without fully appreciating how we got ourselves into this mess (of which our constant increasing of minimum wage was a huge part).

We need to reduce/eliminate the minimum wage, not increase it. There are already enough unemployed people without dramatically increasing that number, forcing more people onto unemployment benefit, when we can't afford to pay those who are already on it.

maryishere

suicide_circus wrote: »

Cant increase minimum wage, too many businesses are on the edge as it is. But i would certainly be in favour of slashing SW benefits for those who have never contributed a cent to the state.

Our minimum wage is out of line with our competitors. It is too high. I remember when it was increased the price of everything went up, from the price of haircuts to the price of things in the shops to restaurant meals to hotels, as even the people cleaning the floors had to be paid the minimum wage, and everyones expectations went up. IMHO one of the mistakes ( not the worst one, but still a mistake ) the Ahern government made was to repeatedly increase the minimum wage.
The dole and pensions need to be cut too of course, we cannot afford them. We are still out of line with more prosperous nations.

Mint Sauce

RayM wrote: »

A quick search reveals that there are around 150 threads in After Hours with the word 'dole' in the title (the oldest being from nine years ago). The vast majority of which could be described as "dole-bashing". Interestingly, all but six of those threads were started in the last five years (i.e. since the recession).

I'll never understand why people choose to direct their anger towards the unemployed during a recession.

And five since wednesday where it was mentioned in the OP.

Think my stat though represents a higher level of anger. Although some of this could just be trolling, highlighting the issue, or just a failure to use the search.

I think the main point of alot of these thread though is that there was some people who were unemployed during the ressesion, were also unemployed prior to it, ie, the career unemployed.

People who lost their jobs during this time, my self one of them, I dont think are a target of this anger, only maybe from a few ill informed or blinkered individuals.

As for the minimum wage, on a higher level my self, very much doubt though it would mean a wage increase for me, but maybe cuts to hours or even employment to people doing the exact same job as my self and to others in other employment areas.

mikehammer67

how many has ted1 posted on

languagenerd

I don't think minimum wage should be changed at all at the moment. Can't put it up because lots of businesses are struggling as it is (and if they had to pay their staff any more they might fold completely), but if we lowered it, many people simply couldn't afford to live.

In Dublin, if you're working full time on minimum wage, you spend around half your monthly wages on rent alone, nevermind bills and groceries (all of which are more expensive here than in many other European countries whose minimum wages are lower). And that's only if you're working full time. Many people on minimum wage these days can only get part time work, so cutting their wages could be disastrous.

I find the people who complain most about minimum wage aren't the ones who are earning it...

generalmental

mikehammer67 wrote: »

scrap jobbridge

Not a bad idea. I applied for a jobbridge internship in super valu. Of all places you think they would just offer a job.

Who the hell needs training to stack a few shelves just a scam so companies can get some slave labour.

By the way I didn't get the "job"

SCOOP 64

maryishere wrote: »

Our minimum wage is out of line with our competitors. It is too high. I remember when it was increased the price of everything went up, from the price of haircuts to the price of things in the shops to restaurant meals to hotels, as even the people cleaning the floors had to be paid the minimum wage, and everyones expectations went up. IMHO one of the mistakes ( not the worst one, but still a mistake ) the Ahern government made was to repeatedly increase the minimum wage.
The dole and pensions need to be cut too of course, we cannot afford them. We are still out of line with more prosperous nations.

"as even the people cleaning the floors had to be paid mininum wage"

Jesus christ!