Sex Assault on Special Needs Girl.

kowloon · 15-06-2013 02:19PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

I think that's why this case is having such a big impression on us. I hate tags like "evil", but you'd have to wonder are some people not just fundamentally bad people? I don't understand how any upbringing and background, no matter how bad, could be reconciled with this act.

I tend to side with the view that there's no real such thing as evil and that everyone has reasons for acting in any particular way, but sometimes you just wonder if it's worth bothering at all.

The description is too vague, I'm sure they could have pinned it down better than that.

KingOfFairview · 15-06-2013 02:23PM

I certainly wouldn't cry if he was killed resisting arrest.

darkdubh · 15-06-2013 02:50PM

When I heard about this my first instinct was its that convicted sex attacker that they're always on about in the Sunday World(I won't name him) but the description of the guy in this case seems to rule that out.

Awakened · 15-06-2013 04:01PM

It looks as if an Gardai have more information than they are releasing on this case
Gardaí searching for a man who raped a woman with special needs are focusing their efforts on the residential area in Dublin where she is believed to have been taken from the street into a property.Officers investigating the case, described as “horrific” by one source, are studying the sex offenders’ register to establish what offenders live in the area.
They believe the crime was most likely committed by somebody who has sexually attacked in the past and are hopeful that if he was caught, his period on the register will not have expired.
The victim, who is in her 20s and has Down syndrome, was out walking and jogging with her mother in the South Circular Road area of south Dublin when they were separated on Wednesday.

Distressed
The woman’s mother reached the family home first. The victim returned home about an hour later than expected in a very distressed state.
Gardaí were contacted and after speaking to the victim they became concerned she had been subjected to a sexual assault. She was taken for examination to the sexual assault unit at the Rotunda Hospital in Dublin’s north inner city.
Gardaí believe she was preyed on by a man who led her from the street to a nearby property and raped her.
An intensive round of house-to-house inquiries is under way and closed-circuit television is being studied.

Cody Pomeray · 15-06-2013 04:07PM

Yes I have friends on Victoria Street, just off South Circular, where houses have been getting house-house calls for the past three days, including today apparently. Hope he's caught soon.

woodoo · 15-06-2013 04:22PM

dsmythy wrote: »

Well that narrows it down.......

Well it rules out a hell of a lot of people. I understand it isn't PC to even mention skin colour. But every bit of info helps.

Rasheed · 15-06-2013 04:57PM

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

The worst crimes, imo, are those that cannot be explained at all.

You hear of petty burglars, or muggers, or even murderers and you think "ok, maybe they had a terrible upbringing/ maybe they lost their head in a moment of rage/ maybe they were provoked".

How can the act of taking a special needs person from his or her life, and apparently subjecting them to sexual violence be reconciled with anything.

I think that's why this case is having such a big impression on us. I hate tags like "evil", but you'd have to wonder are some people not just fundamentally bad people? I don't understand how any upbringing and background, no matter how bad, could be reconciled with this act.

I get what you're saying about the 'evil' tag Cody but lately I've come to think that there are no other reasons why some commit the acts they do.

When you cross off crimes commited by criminals with mental disorders, crimes of rage/ desperation/ revenge, what are you left with?

There have been a spate of attacks on people around here lately. Very similar in style with the victim describing a similar attacker that just beats up seemingly random people walking alone. Doesn't rob them now, just kick several colours of you know what out of them and leaves them there. Now if the man is caught and doesn't have any psychological problems, no drug or alcohol history, what would you say is his problem? I can't come up with anything other than badness.

somefeen · 15-06-2013 05:20PM

Rasheed wrote: »

I get what you're saying about the 'evil' tag Cody but lately I've come to think that there are no other reasons why some commit the acts they do.

When you cross off crimes commited by criminals with mental disorders, crimes of rage/ desperation/ revenge, what are you left with?

There have been a spate of attacks on people around here lately. Very similar in style with the victim describing a similar attacker that just beats up seemingly random people walking alone. Doesn't rob them now, just kick several colours of you know what out of them and leaves them there. Now if the man is caught and doesn't have any psychological problems, no drug or alcohol history, what would you say is his problem? I can't come up with anything other than badness.

What you have described is the behaviour of someone with a psychological problem though.

Czarcasm · 15-06-2013 05:57PM

somefeen wrote: »

What you have described is the behaviour of someone with a psychological problem though.

Is it? How would you be able to diagnose any sort of psychological disorder from such limited information? What Rasheed has described is the behaviour of someone who doesn't give a shìte for their victims.

It doesn't indicate they have any psychological or mental disorder.

Some people are far too quick to being armchair psychiatrists nowadays.

scopper · 15-06-2013 06:09PM

Given the area I think the guards are being a little coy and know that anyone from there will register that dark skinned means they are looking here for an Arab or Muslim guy. Though it may simply be the case that the victim literally could only come up with a vague description as can happen in such cases.

Rasheed · 15-06-2013 06:09PM

somefeen wrote: »

What you have described is the behaviour of someone with a psychological problem though.

How so? How do you know it's not someone doing it for the sheer kicks of it? Maybe that is someone with a problem or maybe he's just a out and out cnut.

wp_rathead · 15-06-2013 06:20PM

scopper wrote: »

Given the area I think the guards are being a little coy and know that anyone from there will register that dark skinned means they are looking here for an Arab or Muslim guy. Though it may simply be the case that the victim literally could only come up with a vague description as can happen in such cases.

Aye last thing we need is some vigilanties going on witchhunt EDL style..

Also slightly off topic and nothing really to do with the overall story but the headlines going around of "Special Needs Woman" are tad annoying, think iv only seen journal.ie that said "woman with special needs" which is much more person-centred. The victim shouldn't have to be defined by her disability, she is a woman first and foremost..

Anyhow, absolutely disgusting act to do to anyone, especially someone who is vulnerable..
..hope those responsible are caught

woodoo · 15-06-2013 07:46PM

scopper wrote: »

Given the area I think the guards are being a little coy and know that anyone from there will register that dark skinned means they are looking here for an Arab or Muslim guy. Though it may simply be the case that the victim literally could only come up with a vague description as can happen in such cases.

Hard to know it could be black skin too but they are afraid to use the word black.

Femme_Fatale · 15-06-2013 07:55PM

woodoo wrote: »

Well it rules out a hell of a lot of people.

It doesn't really. Dark skin and dark hair? That could be any nationality, including Irish - some Irish people are olive-skinned. It doesn't automatically mean black or Middle Eastern.
Maybe the guy is black or Middle Eastern though - is that what you're suggesting? Because yeh, maybe you're right. See, I've said it and I bet I won't be admonished. This thing of pretending you have to skirt around stuff because the "peeeeceeeee brigade" will oppress you, is pointless - seeing as you're saying it anyway, just in a roundabout way. Why not spit it out?

Could have been done by someone of any nationality though - bad eggs everywhere.

mfceiling · 15-06-2013 07:55PM

I was very saddened not to mention disgusted when i heard this.

My wife's best friend has a special needs sister who is nearly 40. I met her a couple of times and she is a very nice woman but very vunerable and very shy.

To think someone could do such a despicable act to someone who clearly needs to be minded well - it's unthinkable. I hope the bástard who did this dies roaring.

woodoo · 15-06-2013 08:07PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It doesn't really. Dark skin and dark hair? That could be any nationality, including Irish - some Irish people are olive-skinned. It doesn't automatically mean black or Middle Eastern.
Maybe the guy is black or Middle Eastern though - is that what you're suggesting? Because yeh, maybe you're right. See, I've said it and I bet I won't be admonished. This thing of pretending you have to skirt around stuff because the "peeeeceeeee brigade" will oppress you, is pointless - seeing as you're saying it anyway, just in a roundabout way. Why not spit it out?

Could have been done by someone of any nationality though - bad eggs everywhere.

It rules me out and thousands like me as i have light skin and light hair.

I don't worry about the PC brigade at all. I'm happy to call a spade a spade. I didn't want to get into a 'to and fro' with some of the oversensitive types who like to get shirty if they reprieve something is unPC. I didn't want to start something like that on this particular thread.

AlekSmart · 15-06-2013 08:53PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Is it? How would you be able to diagnose any sort of psychological disorder from such limited information? What Rasheed has described is the behaviour of someone who doesn't give a shìte for their victims.

It doesn't indicate they have any psychological or mental disorder.

Some people are far too quick to being armchair psychiatrists nowadays.

Yet,from the data quoted by David McWilliams it would appear that something odd is afoot ...

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2013/04/04/the-mystery-of-disability

Meanwhile, the number of people leaving the labour force citing a psychological or emotional condition has risen even more dramatically – 88,000 people are now diagnosed with an emotional or psychological condition that is bad enough that they can’t work. This is a 27,000 rise from the same figure in 2006.

Czarcasm · 15-06-2013 09:00PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Yet,from the data quoted by David McWilliams it would appear that something odd is afoot ...

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/2013/04/04/the-mystery-of-disability

Not being smart Alek but what's the above got to do with my post you quoted?

Cody Pomeray · 15-06-2013 09:19PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It doesn't really. Dark skin and dark hair? That could be any nationality, including Irish - some Irish people are olive-skinned. It doesn't automatically mean black or Middle Eastern.
Maybe the guy is black or Middle Eastern though - is that what you're suggesting? Because yeh, maybe you're right. See, I've said it and I bet I won't be admonished. This thing of pretending you have to skirt around stuff because the "peeeeceeeee brigade" will oppress you, is pointless - seeing as you're saying it anyway, just in a roundabout way. Why not spit it out?

Could have been done by someone of any nationality though - bad eggs everywhere.

exactly. "I'm not allowed say dark skin" speel is one of those pre-emptive tactics to try and present bigotry as being the rational alternative.

The idea that there is a PC Brigade gone mad suits them down to the ground. They like the image of a PC Brigade come a-screechin' and cartwheeling into the thread with their bells and their whistles, and their rainbow flags, because that makes the undercover bigots the 'rational' ones.

They think of themselves as Regular Joes, just calling a spade a spade under some form of PC tyranny.

woodoo wrote: »

I don't worry about the PC brigade at all. I'm happy to call a spade a spade

scopper · 15-06-2013 10:10PM

woodoo wrote: »

Hard to know it could be black skin too but they are afraid to use the word black.

Dark skin pretty much says the same thing. Just slightly toned down to avoid the wrath of the PC heads.

scopper · 15-06-2013 10:11PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It doesn't really. Dark skin and dark hair? That could be any nationality, including Irish - some Irish people are olive-skinned.

Heh sure, but being realistic I think we all know what is implied. They wouldn't drop that in if they reckoned it was an Irish guy as it would be misleading. I know what you mean technically, but I doubt anyone reads that and thinks anything other than non-white; which is surely the reason it was dropped in.

Nodin · 15-06-2013 10:14PM

scopper wrote: »

Dark skin pretty much says the same thing. Just slightly toned down to avoid the wrath of the PC heads.

Bollocks.

strandroad · 15-06-2013 10:22PM

woodoo wrote: »

Hard to know it could be black skin too but they are afraid to use the word black.

They are probably relying on the description provided by the victim and seeing how she is special needs she may not be the best with remembering/describing features.

dsmythy · 15-06-2013 11:21PM

Dark skinned as in not the type of person who turns into a lobster in the sun. Anyway the amount of CCTV around there, he should be caught.

Cody Pomeray · 15-06-2013 11:54PM

dsmythy wrote: »

the amount of CCTV around there, he should be caught.

That side of the the South Circular Road, all of Victoria Street and most of Lennox Street are residential as far as I can remember. Apparently Gardaí are hoping to get footage from any parked vehicles or taxis with security cameras in them though.

andrew1977 · 15-06-2013 11:57PM

The scumbag who done this should be brought out to Howth and two cement blocks tied round his legs and turfed into the ocean.
Disgusting creature whoever it is.

scopper · 16-06-2013 05:31PM

Despite PC boys and their curious case of colour-blindness our suspect turns out to be...Pakistani. Strange. Here I was expecting a white guy!

[in the Sunday World today].

The_Kew_Tour · 16-06-2013 05:37PM

Im all for Castration if somebody is found guilty of rape.

Lets these ****ers think twice before they do anything.

Nodin · 16-06-2013 05:38PM

scopper wrote: »

Despite PC boys and their curious case of colour-blindness our suspect turns out to be...Pakistani. Strange. Here I was expecting a white guy! [in the Sunday World today].

Lets back track here a bit....

Woodoo wrote:

Hard to know it could be black skin too but they are afraid to use the word black.

to which you responded

scopper wrote:

Dark skin pretty much says the same thing. Just slightly toned down to avoid the wrath of the PC heads.

So - seeing as the suspect is a Pakistani national - it would appear that the person in question was in fact correctly described as having "dark skin" and it had nothing to do with the "pc head" bollocks you mentioned.

You might explain exactly what you mean by "Despite PC boys and their curious case of colour-blindness....." with reference to specific posts on the thread....

scopper · 16-06-2013 05:44PM

Nodin wrote: »

So - seeing as the suspect is a Pakistani national - it would appear that the person in question was in fact correctly described as having "dark skin" and it had nothing to do with the "pc head" bollocks you mentioned.

You might explain exactly what you mean by "Despite PC boys and their curious case of colour-blindness....." with reference to specific posts on the thread....

Despite your use of ellipsis to suggest some degree of ambiguity my point is pretty clear: despite the desire of those with politically-correct tendencies the suspect did, in fact, turn out to be precisely what the description implied.

I know you are the resident right-on dude around here, but we are not in debate club here. Your quote, almost to a tee, expresses precisely my sentiment. Only, given your ideological-blinders, you would hate to discover this.

Sex Assault on Special Needs Girl.

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