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Trying to start a career in IT

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  • #32
    propertyefc
    Site Banned Posts: 8 ✭propertyefc


    DJjazzyjeff wrote: »
    The MCSA in Windows 7 isn't worth the paper its written on.

    If you want to go down the networking path then MCSA in Windows Server(active directory,DNS set up etc) and then get the MCSP in Windows Server. CCNA(Setting up switches and routers) is essential as well and then get your CCNP after a year or two. Maybe get a Linux Comptia + exam and maybe a vmware exam.

    If you want to go down the programming path then MCSD in Web development, MCSA in SQL Server(SQL SERVER JOBS are BOOMING) are essential and even MCSA windows server is essential as well. If you are using Java then obviously Java certs. Obviously then get the professional exams after a while instead of the MCSA

    If you want to work with Oracle then get as many certs as you gone. I have the MCSA in SQL server and Windows Server and I just finished third year.

    you know all this in third year????

    get a life and enjoy your youth


  • #33
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    propertyefc wrote: »
    you know all this in third year????

    get a life and enjoy your youth

    That's the type of attitude that stops young people trying to develop their skills.

    You can't force people to like certain things, and he obviously likes this stuff.


  • #34
    propertyefc
    Site Banned Posts: 8 ✭propertyefc


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    That's the type of attitude that stops young people trying to develop their skills.

    You can't force people to like certain things, and he obviously likes this stuff.

    he's obviously a virgin


  • #35
    DaveDaRave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    When people say IT are they talking about more network admin sort of stuff rather than say software development. Or are they both subsets of IT


  • #36
    DJjazzyjeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭DJjazzyjeff


    propertyefc wrote: »
    you know all this in third year????

    get a life and enjoy your youth

    Yea, hopefully get a job now during fourth year, and plan on getting plenty more certs during fourth year. What they teach in Secondary school is pointless bar Maths and bores the absolute pants off me.


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  • #37
    DJjazzyjeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭DJjazzyjeff


    propertyefc wrote: »
    he's obviously a virgin

    Your obviously on the dole. And your ma loves it up the bum


  • #38
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    How does one get education in I.T. ? :confused:

    Was chatting to a guy recently who did a fas course and the fas instructor said that if you wanna learn I.T. a fas course wont help you ... Question is what will help you tho?


  • #39
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    PizzamanIRL wrote: »
    That's the type of attitude that stops young people trying to develop their skills.

    You can't force people to like certain things, and he obviously likes this stuff.


    I personally think it's fantastic to see a young person so interested in IT and not just facebook and twitter ****e, more power to them tbh! I have an eight year old who is the same, I haven't taught him any serious programming yet as he's not at that level, but he's comfortable enough with operating systems, networking and office applications at the moment.

    propertyefc wrote: »
    he's obviously a virgin


    Well of course he is as he's not of the age of consent yet which would be 17. I can't see how that would relate to anything IT related though.


  • #40
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Go to a proper university and do an IT degree? Not that hard.


  • #41
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    How does get education in I.T. ? :confused:

    Was chatting to a guy recently who did a fas course and the fas instructor said that if you wanna learn I.T. a fas course wont help you ... Question is what will help you tho?


    You get out of a course what you put into it, and your friend was talking nonsense.


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  • #42
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    You get out of a course what you put into it, and your friend was talking nonsense.

    You are probably right. Said person I know is just an acquaintance - so being honest I wouldn't put 100% faith in what he said.


  • #43
    DJjazzyjeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭DJjazzyjeff


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Go to a proper university and do an IT degree? Not that hard.

    Not really, My mam works a recruiter and I.T Certs are 10 times more important than a degree. I.T courses in colleges are meant to poop.


  • #44
    DJjazzyjeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭DJjazzyjeff


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    You get out of a course what you put into it, and your friend was talking nonsense.

    Wrong, If someone does a FAS I.T course no chance of getting a job.


  • #45
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    DJjazzyjeff wrote: »
    Wrong, If someone does a FAS I.T course no chance of getting a job.

    :pac:
    Think you are right there mate. Now, I can't speak for every FAS course. but the ones I have done and also the ones I researched into about doing .... are so pointless.


  • #46
    DaveDaRave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    DJjazzyjeff wrote: »
    Not really, My mam works a recruiter and I.T Certs are 10 times more important than a degree. I.T courses in colleges are meant to poop.

    Really?
    Any job i look at on job sites in my area says must have degree + X Y Z skills + certs optional. Thats mainly development work maybe its different for network/admin/OS stuff


  • #47
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    DJjazzyjeff wrote: »
    Wrong, If someone does a FAS I.T course no chance of getting a job.


    My 25 years working in the IT industry says you're wrong. Now you might know your stuff when it comes to IT, but never forget the old saying that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and I was up to my tits in server hardware before your àrse was as big as a shirt button.

    Your mum is also wrong about college and university courses in IT too btw, as a friend of mine who's 44 and landed a job as a java developer in one of the top universities in the country will testify to.

    I can give you plenty more examples of how you might be misrepresenting your mothers opinion, but I'm not one for deflating bubbles, I'd sooner you learn in your own time that your opinion isn't worth shìt.


  • #48
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Czarcasm, could you recommend the best routes for someone to break into the I.T. industry? :)


  • #49
    CarlDunne1979
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭CarlDunne1979


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Czarcasm, could you recommend the best routes for someone to break into the I.T. industry? :)

    He'll only tell you there are an "unlimited abundance" of jobs going for any doofus that's ever used a computer to watch porn, only a conspiracy has brainwashed these people into believing you actually need skill. :rolleyes:

    This will only make sense to you if you were reading the slu.. I mean "damsels as sexually free as a daisy blowing in the wind" thread.


  • #50
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Czarcasm, could you recommend the best routes for someone to break into the I.T. industry? :)

    Tbh BA the first thing you need in IT is the right attitude, and as has been displayed in this thread already - you can have all the knowledge, but the wrong attitude and you'll get fcukall anywhere in IT.

    There are so many areas you could go into and without talking to you in person I couldn't possibly recommend a specific career path in IT that might interest you, certainly not off the back of a few posts in one thread anyway tbh.

    I know it's not much help but that's honestly the best answer I can give you. I'd hate to recommend such and such a course and have you drop out half way through from lack of interest or lack of understanding given the level of difficulty and then say "I only tried it because that Czarcasm prick on Boards told me to go for it, he was so full of shìt, I never should've listened to him!", etc, ahh hopefully you get where I'm coming from :pac:


  • #51
    El Gato
    Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭El Gato


    DJjazzyjeff wrote: »
    Not really, My mam works a recruiter and I.T Certs are 10 times more important than a degree. I.T courses in colleges are meant to poop.

    What crap are you talking?

    A cert is 10 times more important than a degree?

    Most companies won't even consider an applicant unless there is a Level 8 outlined on the CV (that's for Programming/Networking/Web jobs etc)

    That is a totally ridiculous statement to make.

    The majority of people who do a course in say, software development in FAS (not even sure if they offer it anymore) get an intro to VS.net and Java (for dummies) and are nowhere near prepared for a career in development (for example)....For networking a CCNA is the absolute minimum most companies will look for when an applicant shows interest.

    Before posting please have knowledge about the subject as it is not helpful to the OP (even though the OP is banned, there are other people who may need the same info)


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  • #52
    El Gato
    Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭El Gato


    CarlDunne1979 wrote: »
    He'll only tell you there are an "unlimited abundance" of jobs going for any doofus that's ever used a computer to watch porn, only a conspiracy has brainwashed these people into believing you actually need skill. :rolleyes:

    This will only make sense to you if you were reading the slu.. I mean "damsels as sexually free as a daisy blowing in the wind" thread.

    Being a total fool qualifies you to comment on this thread eh? :rolleyes:


  • #53
    Nemeses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭Nemeses


    I'm going to prison.. well, to see the OPs story..


  • #54
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    I used to be with IT, then they changed what IT was.
    And they keep changing IT :mad:


  • #55
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Tbh BA the first thing you need in IT is the right attitude, and as has been displayed in this thread already - you can have all the knowledge, but the wrong attitude and you'll get fcukall anywhere in IT.

    There are so many areas you could go into and without talking to you in person I couldn't possibly recommend a specific career path in IT that might interest you, certainly not off the back of a few posts in one thread anyway tbh.

    I know it's not much help but that's honestly the best answer I can give you. I'd hate to recommend such and such a course and have you drop out half way through from lack of interest or lack of understanding given the level of difficulty and then say "I only tried it because that Czarcasm prick on Boards told me to go for it, he was so full of shìt, I never should've listened to him!", etc, ahh hopefully you get where I'm coming from :pac:

    I do not mean to be rude in this post, but you said you have 25 years in I.T. but yet you couldn't give me & anyone else reading this thread advice/a straight answer? :confused: Not even to just recommend a fundamentals course.

    Your response was a total fob-off. That of a person who doesnt know what they are taking about. But when called upon creates an excuse to hide no knowledge. I don't mean to be ragging on you but you said 25 years experience.


  • #56
    Saganist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Saganist


    Start here. /


  • #57
    DJjazzyjeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 61 ✭✭DJjazzyjeff


    Of course a degree is important but what I mean is that a degree on its own is not good enough, you need certs to gain more knowledge in an area, especially for networking, SQL Server etc. A lot of the certs expire after three years and you need to resit the exam such as the CCNA. If an employer sees a willing to upskill and keep upskilled then they will hire the person who has the certs with a pass degree over someone with say 1.1

    If you want to get the best jobs available get certs or if your struggling to get jobs get some certs


  • #58
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    I do not mean to be rude in this post, but you said you have 25 years in I.T. but yet you couldn't give me & anyone else reading this thread advice/a straight answer? :confused: Not even to just recommend a fundamentals course.

    Your response was a total fob-off. That of a person who doesnt know what they are taking about. But when called upon creates an excuse to hide no knowledge. I don't mean to be ragging on you but you said 25 years experience.


    Nobody will be foolish enough BA to try and advise you on a course or career path in IT off the back of a few posts in a single thread without actually talking to you in person first to find out what area you might be interested in, what your previous level of experience is, your educational qualifications, your attitude, etc.

    Your attitude btw is all wrong, and i don't need to prove myself to you or to anyone else on this thread, I'm not the one looking to get started on a career path in IT, but you carry on like that and you'll get nowhere. I've said it before time and time again and I'll say it again. Employers are now more concentrating on seeing have you the right attitude to work with them, because you can teach any idiot the technical stuff -

    Have a read of this post -

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84353753&postcount=125

    and this thread -

    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056940071/1

    You are of course welcome to PM me and I can arrange for you to come down and have a chat with me in person and THEN I might be able to give you a starting point, but don't bother to PM me if you still prefer to carry on like a petulant child that thinks they know it all. I have precious little time to be wasting on people I don't consider worth my time.


  • #59
    kjl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭kjl


    Learn how to program, Start with something easy like python, move up to shell then java then c# then C++ boom


  • #60
    DaveDaRave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    kjl wrote: »
    Learn how to program, Start with something easy like python, move up to shell then java then c# then C++ boom

    pity my course took the reverse approach. and had to learn python on my own after college


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  • #61
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,707 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    I do not mean to be rude in this post, but you said you have 25 years in I.T. but yet you couldn't give me & anyone else reading this thread advice/a straight answer? :confused: Not even to just recommend a fundamentals course.

    Your response was a total fob-off. That of a person who doesnt know what they are taking about. But when called upon creates an excuse to hide no knowledge. I don't mean to be ragging on you but you said 25 years experience.

    it's too broad a term for a start (I.T), & difficult to be giving you any advice on

    think on it like this, you ask someone for advice on entering the construction industry 10 years ago
    are they supposed to tell you to be a:
    architect
    quantity surveyor
    labour
    builder
    roofer
    plumber
    painter
    carpenter
    electrician
    work for a quarry
    crane driver
    etc.

    all those jobs are different, you can be good at/like one but hate/be useless at the other but you can stick them under an umbrella term, much like computing jobs

    check out this site http://thenewboston.org/tutorials.php
    There's a load of video on different types on programming languages (probably most useful for this), networking, SQL, building a computer, etc.

    this site https://www.edx.org/ offers courses from the likes of MIT, UC Berkeley, Harvard, etc. for free which are delivered online, loads of different areas not just computing

    if you do go into a college course without first knowing which area you like don't do any specific one, do computer science/computing or whatever they call it - it'll give you a better idea of different areas instead of being specialised on one


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