Are the Irish prudish?

otto_26 · 14-06-2013 06:54PM

IM0 wrote: »

and some people will be offended because she is black too, what doboth of those groups have in common? they are both retards

What about young children walking around the streets looking up at her tits?

Oh wait silly me it's the 21st century I must get with it.

kowloon · 14-06-2013 07:21PM

otto_26 wrote: »

What about young children walking around the streets looking up at her tits?

Oh wait silly me it's the 21st century I must get with it.

Considering they were probably feeding off some a few short years before I fail to see the problem.

Children don't get offended by these things, it's learned behaviour. The real changes are in how adults are dealing with it.

Ace Attorney · 14-06-2013 07:25PM

Laneyh wrote: »

Are they? Whoever pinned the dresses on remains anonymous at the moment so we don't know why they did it.

I doubt many if any people have complained about the implied nudity.
I think it's more likely people being offended by the crass marketing ploy
particularly coming from a female pop star who is a role model to a lot of young girls.

I walk past the poster every day and it is in no way remarkable nor is it graphic in content or even shocking.

It is a bit pathetic though, that it's 2013 and all advertising moguls plus music industry promoters can come up with to promote female popstars is a bit of suggested nudity.

One Direction are probably the world's biggest boy band right now and again role models to thousands of kids (mostly young girls) but the only time you see them in any state of undress is in paparazzi pics

Not shocked, offended or massively bothered by it tbh but if I had a daughter who was a Rhianna fan I might be a bit disappointed

If the half naked girl thats not showing any bits bothers people so much, one might argue then about the diet coke adverts , the one where the girls throw the diet coke at the guy cutting the lawn and he takes off his top, most diet cokes adverts seem to involve half naked guys bar a few. Topless guys are all over the place too in those calvin klein ads and heat magazine etc so its common place to see both sexes advertised topless, not just female popstars, but male moviestars and footballers etc, its not just confined to woman

Femme_Fatale · 14-06-2013 07:50PM

d15ude wrote: »

yes!

folks wearing trunks and bathing suits in the sauna.
towels and bathrobes in changing rooms.

then again bare chested guys walking everywhere in the summer :eek:

i don't know...

I don't see anything prudish about not wanting to be naked in front of strangers. It's just a personal preference.

kowloon · 14-06-2013 08:02PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I don't see anything prudish about not wanting to be naked in front of strangers. It's just a personal preference.

I don't think anyone should be expected to do anything they're uncomfortable, like you say, it's personal preference. What I would take issue with is other people imposing their set of rules on others, I would have considered my Grandmother prudish for disapproving of someone on the street for not wearing a frock based on the traditional spud sack design.

Pumpkinseeds · 14-06-2013 08:14PM

Sex sells and Rhianna is essentially earning her living based on her looks, fair enough. She only has a limited shelf life before things start to go south so she might as well cash in on it while she can. People probably complained about the 'Hello boys' wonder bra posters back in the day. I remember cringing when I saw that farmer on the news talking about God:o

Czarcasm · 14-06-2013 08:37PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Sex sells and Rhianna is essentially earning her living based on her looks, fair enough. She only has a limited shelf life before things start to go south so she might as well cash in on it while she can. People probably complained about the 'Hello boys' wonder bra posters back in the day. I remember cringing when I saw that farmer on the news talking about God:o

I remember that, it was blamed for causing traffic jams and crashes! :pac:

Most iconic billboard advert of all time apparently-

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/844105

(I just remember around that time when I took a girl home from the club and feeling cheated when her D cups turned out to be B cups! :pac:)

As for the Rihanna billboards, sure there's every possibility that was just some kids having a laugh and nothing to do with anything prudish whatsoever.

Sure Rihanna isn't doing anything Madonna wasn't doing back in the 80's with lyrics such as "like a virgin, touched for the very first time...", and "Papa don't preach, I'm in trouble now...", a song about teenage pregnancy, not to mention her sex book, appropriately enough titled "Sex", in which she posed semi-nude in all sorts of suggestive sexual positions with various male models.

Rihanna's efforts to appear "edgy" are only kids play tbh compared to what actually WAS edgy 30 years before her, when she wasn't even born yet! :pac:

14-06-2013 08:38PM

It's hilarious how the diet coke ad is ALWAYS brought up in every single discussion on this
That one single ad

Female ad complaint #283702987350957: Yes BUT what about that diet coke ad!

Daveysil15 · 14-06-2013 08:40PM

And is it only women who drink Diet Coke?

MadsL · 14-06-2013 08:41PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I don't see anything prudish about not wanting to be naked in front of strangers. It's just a personal preference.

No But I would prefer that I didn't have to inhale your sweaty/chlorinated swimwear if I share a sauna with you. Being naked in a sauna isn't about being 'liberated' it is basic hygiene for the comfort of others.

Go into a sauna in most of Europe in a swimsuit and you will be thrown out quick smart.

Ace Attorney · 14-06-2013 08:47PM

bluewolf wrote: »

It's hilarious how the diet coke ad is ALWAYS brought up in every single discussion on this
That one single ad

Female ad complaint #283702987350957: Yes BUT what about that diet coke ad!

There are quite a few diet coke adverts to do with guys like these ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdrE1VMxzoE and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0O8t4zXQy8
so i thought that would be revelent to the discussion, also i thought it is an example everyone would be aware of

Daveysil15 · 14-06-2013 08:48PM

MadsL wrote: »

Go into a sauna in most of Europe in a swimsuit and you will be thrown out quick smart.

Those dirty Europeans. I hear they also like to have sex with the lights on. Feckin mad bastids!

kowloon · 14-06-2013 09:08PM

The diet coke ads are tame, and they're very tongue in cheek, there are perfume ads and the likes that are far more sexualised, you tend to see them around Christmas shopping season. I get far more offended by the fact that all the advertising costs more than the actual perfume than the fact that some guy is parading his bare waxed arse around in glorious black and white. You might get lucky and we'll see ladybum on the ads this year.

Pumpkinseeds · 14-06-2013 09:10PM

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Those dirty Europeans. I hear they also like to have sex with the lights on. Feckin mad bastids!

I hear they even enjoy sex too, fricking disgusting heathens

Pumpkinseeds · 14-06-2013 09:16PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

I remember that, it was blamed for causing traffic jams and crashes! :pac:

Most iconic billboard advert of all time apparently-

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/844105

(I just remember around that time when I took a girl home from the club and feeling cheated when her D cups turned out to be B cups! :pac:)

As for the Rihanna billboards, sure there's every possibility that was just some kids having a laugh and nothing to do with anything prudish whatsoever.

Sure Rihanna isn't doing anything Madonna wasn't doing back in the 80's with lyrics such as "like a virgin, touched for the very first time...", and "Papa don't preach, I'm in trouble now...", a song about teenage pregnancy, not to mention her sex book, appropriately enough titled "Sex", in which she posed semi-nude in all sorts of suggestive sexual positions with various male models.

Rihanna's efforts to appear "edgy" are only kids play tbh compared to what actually WAS edgy 30 years before her, when she wasn't even born yet! :pac:

Madonna was far more in your face than Rhianna, not that I'm familliar with Rhianna's ehm, work. I find it funny that society is fine with parents putting their toddlers/very young daughters in bikinis but people get morally outraged when they see a bit of adult boob. Kids tv has a lot more adult content than it did in the 80's. There would've been uproar then about something like Hollyoaks.

Pumpkinseeds · 14-06-2013 09:18PM

Daveysil15 wrote: »

And is it only women who drink Diet Coke?

I think it is, is it not compulsory for men to order Coke Zero so they look more manly or something, so they don't feel embarrassed ordering a 'girly' diet drink

Czarcasm · 14-06-2013 09:40PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Madonna was far more in your face than Rhianna, not that I'm familliar with Rhianna's ehm, work. I find it funny that society is fine with parents putting their toddlers/very young daughters in bikinis but people get morally outraged when they see a bit of adult boob. Kids tv has a lot more adult content than it did in the 80's. There would've been uproar then about something like Hollyoaks.

Ahh Rihanna thinks she's edgy when she flashes her àrse on twitter, snorts coke off a bald bouncers head, that sort of silly stuff that the paparazzi laps up, her music appeals to "webellious" ten year old girls, she's not much to write home about really tbh, no question she's a good looking girl, but she's a bit of a tit at the same time whose management company have exploited her sexuality to it's full effect.

Me personally I don't think she's anything to get too worked up about. Before her there was Christina Aguilera and after Rihanna there'll be another good looking girl that hasn't a note in her head but looks good on a billboard, and the next generation will say "Are ALL of Ireland prude in 2023?" while they lament "the downfall of society and the dumbing down of humanity"... :pac:

Momento Mori · 14-06-2013 10:34PM

From a non-Irish perspective I think it's different for each generation. How they were raised plays a big part in it.

Generally speaking I would say 50/50

otto_26 · 14-06-2013 11:06PM

kowloon wrote: »

Considering they were probably feeding off some a few short years before I fail to see the problem.

Children don't get offended by these things, it's learned behaviour. The real changes are in how adults are dealing with it.

I really do wonder what goes on in your head and people like you I really do. You think it's suitable to have a half naked women with her tits hanging out on bill boards for 11 year old boys and girls to see? (10 years off breast feeding)

I know they don't get offended. It's just not appropriate.
All it's doing is sexualising children.

But again I guess it's the 21st century I should get with it.

Czarcasm · 14-06-2013 11:14PM

otto_26 wrote: »

I really do wonder what goes on in your head and people like you I really do. You think it's suitable to have a half naked women with her tits hanging out on bill boards for 11 year old boys and girls to see? (10 years off breast feeding)

I know they don't get offended. It's just not appropriate.
All it's doing is sexualising children.

But again I guess it's the 21st century I should get with it.

Except her tits aren't hanging out, are they? It's that sort of exaggeration that nullifies your point.

As for your assertion that it's sexualising children - Rihanna is 25, hardly a child!

otto_26 · 14-06-2013 11:27PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Except her tits aren't hanging out, are they? It's that sort of exaggeration that nullifies your point.

As for your assertion that it's sexualising children - Rihanna is 25, hardly a child!

:rolleyes:

kraggy · 14-06-2013 11:40PM

Never see Irish people on cam4.com so yeah, we've a long way to come yet.

Czarcasm · 15-06-2013 12:00AM

kraggy wrote: »

Never see Irish people on cam4.com so yeah, we've a long way to come yet.

>_>

<_<

skimpydoo · 15-06-2013 12:10AM

kraggy wrote: »

Never see Irish people on cam4.com so yeah, we've a long way to come yet.

I have;)

kowloon · 15-06-2013 01:11AM

otto_26 wrote: »

I really do wonder what goes on in your head and people like you I really do. You think it's suitable to have a half naked women with her tits hanging out on bill boards for 11 year old boys and girls to see? (10 years off breast feeding)

I know they don't get offended. It's just not appropriate.
All it's doing is sexualising children.

It's a tacky billboard for a singer I've no interest in, but what makes the human body inappropriate?
I think there are a few reasons we might think it, but here are the two that stand out to me: We project our own insecurities and we were taught as children that it was just 'bad'.

We perpetuate the idea that the body is something to be ashamed of, we're not even fully sure of why we do it, but we tell ourselves it's wrong.
Sure, some people don't want to put themselves on display, but that doesn't mean others are breaking some natural rule.

I honestly challenge you to explain the bolded part above. I'm not sure it can be done without falling back on 'because it just is' or 'because it makes me uncomfortable' as the reason.

V123 · 15-06-2013 09:48AM

Kowloon quote: "We perpetuate the idea that the body is something to be ashamed of, we're not even fully sure of why we do it, but we tell ourselves it's wrong"

In this case I know that she is not really showing much but from what you say, would you be comfortable/insecure/offended with someone (man or women) completely naked on a billboard or naked person walking down the street?

ted1 · 15-06-2013 09:49AM

Hitchens wrote: »

in England they seem to think we might be:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2341657/Dubliners-cover-Rihanna-topless-images-billboards-city.html

Censored! Dubliners cover up Rihanna's topless image on billboards around the city

Well then, are we................kinda prudish?

No were racists.....

kowloon · 15-06-2013 12:33PM

V123 wrote: »

In this case I know that she is not really showing much but from what you say, would you be comfortable/insecure/offended with someone (man or women) completely naked on a billboard or naked person walking down the street?

I get you, but what I'm saying is any negative reaction I have is entirely my own issue, and a lot of that stems back to being taught that it's bad behaviour.
Insecurity is a huge part of it too, but that's a personal thing too and no fault of whoever I've taken issue with.

V123 · 15-06-2013 01:26PM

yes kowloon I understand what your saying but isn't it part of how we have been taught to behave in society? That people were clothes!

If a women stood beside that billboard with no top on and a pair of nipple tassels on seductively looking at passer-buys including children - I imagine she would arrested!

Laneyh · 16-06-2013 03:14AM

Thatdoesnt looksafe tome AHHHHHHH wrote: »

If the half naked girl thats not showing any bits bothers people so much, one might argue then about the diet coke adverts , the one where the girls throw the diet coke at the guy cutting the lawn and he takes off his top, most diet cokes adverts seem to involve half naked guys bar a few. Topless guys are all over the place too in those calvin klein ads and heat magazine etc so its common place to see both sexes advertised topless, not just female popstars, but male moviestars and footballers etc, its not just confined to woman

I haven't seen the ad you're talking about but certainly everyone knows that sex sells. Billboard ads are a different case to magazine or other types of ads in that magazine and tv ads will target a more specific audience / be on after a certain time. I guess people could object to billboard ads more readily as once it's on the billboard ad you have no control over who sees it.

We don't know why people covered up the billboard posters and can only speculate.
Daily Mail's usual level of accuracy of course, she is not topless in the poster

To be fair, there is a difference between a topless man vs a topless woman.
As soon as we get any bit of good weather here there are plenty of topless men around but there would probably be mini-riots if women were to go topless en mass.
That may make us hypocritical with double standards or even a bit messed up when it comes to sensibilities around nudity but I don't know that I'd call it prudishness.

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