Nursing jobs in Ireland don’t have to advertise here or fulfil Labor Mkt need test

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

In 2008, 47% of our nurses were foreign born. One of the highest percentages of foreign born nurses in the OECD. I cant find the figures for 2013, but why are they so high? Do Irish nursing graduates prefer to work abroad? Do foreign nurses outperform them? Are foreign nurses easier to exploit?

its simple really, foreign nurses bite their hands off to get a job here in the HSE while alot of the irish nurses turn up their noses at them, or at least they use to, not so sure about lately though

Boombastic wrote: »

Didn't the government advertise here not so long ago for irish nurses fresh out of college for 2 year contracts but the jobs were not good enough for our nurses.? I for one welcome our foreign yellow pack nurses.

The jobs were fine for our nurses. The pay on the other hand wasn't. It was little more than exploitation.

mikemac1 wrote: »

It was 22k salary

That's ok money for a graduate position

And there could be overtime going if someone wants to work more

Do graduates think 22k is too little for their first job and is exploitation?

It's the whole package Mike. This happened in the 80s/90s too. Staff nurses were paid a low wage compared to other countries. Irish nurses were considered the best trained and were highly sought after so thry emigrated. Then in the 00s, there was a staff shortage and nurse recruitment had to go abroad. This is going to happen again, the exact same crap that the government should have learned the first time. It costs serious money to train a nurse in Ireland. As I said, we are trained to a level that the world over recognises as being one of the best. But when you are in a position where you could get €22k here or €43k in Canada for the same work? How do you justify staying here if you're in a position to go.

I understand what you're saying about €22k. On paper it sounds ok. But to work for 39 hours a week beside someone who is doing the same work at the same grade for 20% more is wrong. I think the major thing is, if you decide to knuckle down for two years, get your experience in the HSE, there is no guarantee that you will be given any sign of a contract. Nothing. You aren't going to climb the incriment scale. They just intend to just keep rolling out newly qualified nurses to fill these positions while you're left with no job.

This in turn will affect skill mix which is crucial to good nursing practice on a ward. To be in a hospital Mike, to be working on a ward, like I was when I started, where the care assistants and the domestic staff made more money than me, even though if anything happened, it was my PIN on the line, was so demoralising. To see how money is wasted in stupid places, all the administration, managers managing managers and you slogging for pittance, whilst getting abuse is hard to swallow every day. And that was before the 20% less wage was offered.

mikemac1 wrote: »

It was 22k salary

That's ok money for a graduate position

And there could be overtime going if someone wants to work more

Do graduates think 22k is too little for their first job and is exploitation?

Don't forget the allowances for shift work and working in a hospital dept. Which brings it up to 27, 000... still not good enough

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Allowing nursing jobs not to have to fulfill the Labour Market Needs test or be advertised in Ireland is a violation of European law. Why is it allowed to continue?

It also raises unemployment as Irish people can't apply for the jobs.
It creates hardship if the Irish nurses have to emigrate leaving family/older parents behind.

You're making this up as ye go along, aren't ye?