Should Civil Servants be removed +new ones hired after 5 years?

NotCuteHoor · 12-06-2013 02:44PM #1

The Civil Service/Regulators in Ireland have hardly covered themselves in glory.
Why should they kept on after the appalling activities they turned a blind eye to?

If new Civil Servants were hired in their place it would make the Civil Service more inclusive and give everyone a chance at it. This would give everyone a chance at having a job and even a pension.

Currently, the Government Departments have done little about the unemployment crisis. This would give them an interest in it as they would be facing the dole queues (not jobs for life) after 5 years. They would want to tackle the unemployment problem not ignore it. I figure this is a great way of making the Civil Service more inclusive.

I think this would change voting patterns in Ireland . They might not vote the same way after their term in the Civil Service was up. Currently, I doubt they would vote for radical change in any area as many want the Status Quo retained. They definitely would have an interest in the Unemployment Crisis then and vote for change. The large numbers working in Councils/Government Departments/various quangos impact on the elections and they are more inclined to vote other sectors and would be voting for maintaining the status quo keeping the current system from radical change. But if they were no longer employed in these sectors they probably would not be voting for the Status Quo.

spurious · 12-06-2013 02:46PM

Retraining everyone every five years? Have you thought this through?

GeorgeBailey · 12-06-2013 02:47PM

Fool proof idea there OP. Absolutely fool-proof.

Boombastic · 12-06-2013 02:47PM

You wouldn't get the same caliber of people we have now

Nwm2 · 12-06-2013 02:48PM

I am no friend of the public sector, but this must be the dumbest idea ever.

NotCuteHoor · 12-06-2013 02:48PM

Why not make it 7 years then? Retraining is not an issue if you are in private sector. Why should it be for those in Public Sector?

IM0 · 12-06-2013 02:48PM

but then there wouldnt be jobs for the boys

my boys :mad:

stevenmu · 12-06-2013 02:49PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

This would give everyone a chance at having a job and even a pension.

Except the current civil servants apparently, what are they supposed to do when they lose their jobs?

Boombastic · 12-06-2013 02:50PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Why not make it 7 years then? Retraining is not an issue if you are in private sector. Why should it be for those in Public Sector?

Because they hate change and the unions would have a lot to say...

donvito99 · 12-06-2013 02:50PM

stevenmu wrote: »

what are they supposed to do when they lose their jobs?

Join the dole queue like the rest of us.

stevenmu · 12-06-2013 02:50PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Why not make it 7 years then? Retraining is not an issue if you are in private sector.

Yes, it very much is an issue in the private sector. Have you ever heard of any private sector company just letting go all it's current staff and hiring an entirely new bunch of people? How would any of them know what to do?

NotCuteHoor · 12-06-2013 02:52PM

Irish ferries springs to mind. Irish ferries let go 600 workers of whom many were Irish/British in 2004. They then recruited again and brought in new workers. Are you saying that such a thing is acceptable for private sector workers but not public sector workers?

Lando Griffin · 12-06-2013 02:53PM

I had to ring a the Civil Service the other week.
They answered my questions promptly and professionally.
They forwarded me all the info I needed, and when I rang back to seek more help the original person wasn't able to take my call but he colleague was made fully aware of my needs.
Brilliant fast reliable service form Maura and Cathleen in the I have to say.

Boombastic · 12-06-2013 02:55PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

I had to ring a the Civil Service the other week.
They answered my questions promptly and professionally.
They forwarded me all the info I needed, and when I rang back to seek more help the original person wasn't able to take my call but he colleague was made fully aware of my needs.
Brilliant fast reliable service form Maura and Cathleen I have to say.

I rang them last week, the didn't answer the phone, maybe they haven't been trained up in it yet in that department

frank reynolds · 12-06-2013 02:55PM

OP, dont be ridiculous.

IM0 · 12-06-2013 02:56PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

I had to ring a the Civil Service the other week.
They answered my questions promptly and professionally.
They forwarded me all the info I needed, and when I rang back to seek more help the original person wasn't able to take my call but he colleague was made fully aware of my needs.
Brilliant fast reliable service form Maura and Cathleen in the I have to say.

thank you dearie, your cheque is in the post xx

Dravokivich · 12-06-2013 02:57PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Currently, the Government Departments have done little about the unemployment crisis. This would give them an interest in it as they would be facing the dole queues (not jobs for life) after 5 years. They would want to tackle the unemployment problem not ignore it. I figure this is a great way of making the Civil Service more inclusive.

If such a thing was to be implemented, it'll be the next governments problem to deal with and chastised for not resolving, due to the inaction of the previous government.

Typical FF behaviour, that there.

enigmatical · 12-06-2013 02:57PM

They need a lot more transparency and accountability across the board but this suggestion is absolutely ridiculous.

It simply wouldn't work at all.

To be honest, I've never found the civil servants anything other than professional. It's the system they work in that's a mess.

Sergeant · 12-06-2013 03:01PM

All important decisions regarding the workings of the State should be carried out using Boards.ie polls and thejournal.ie voting buttons.

Dravokivich · 12-06-2013 03:03PM

Sergeant wrote: »

All important decisions regarding the workings of the State should be carried out using Boards.ie polls and thejournal.ie voting buttons.

Along with debates hosted by Joe Duffy and Adrian Kennedy.

uch · 12-06-2013 03:05PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Irish ferries springs to mind. Irish ferries let go 600 workers of whom many were Irish/British in 2004. They then recruited again and brought in new workers. Are you saying that such a thing is acceptable for private sector workers but not public sector workers?

But did you take an Irish Ferries journey in the aftermath of that ? pure hell for months

OldGoat · 12-06-2013 03:29PM

Counter proposal.

Employ "Nation Administrators" for life. Elected by college vote under remit to appoint from the best/most knowledgable in the fields of Labour, Finance, National administration, International Relations, Judicial, Trade, Bread&Circuses.

Ooooh, and one overarching Comptroler with the power of veto but without the power of...errrmm... whatever the opposite of veto is..

Without the political infighting and constant reinventing of the wheel every 4 years the ability to plan longterm stratagies might achieve something useful.

Freddy Smelly · 12-06-2013 03:36PM

replace civil servants and politicians with a super computer to balance the books and run the country without corruption

frank reynolds · 12-06-2013 03:39PM

Freddy Smelly wrote: »

replace civil servants and politicians with a super computer to balance the books and run the country without corruption

so, what about the ordinary joe-soap civil servant who has to work, day in and day out in the corrupt environment? they have to put up with the sh!t on a daily basis, and it's way closer to the bone on the inside than from sitting on your computer coming up with "plans" such as this one.

it will continue to run like this forever more. there wont be change.

is it just petty jealousy of the employed that has you starting a thread like this OP?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-06-2013 03:51PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

The Civil Service/Regulators in Ireland have hardly covered themselves in glory.
Why should they kept on after the appalling activities they turned a blind eye to?

If new Civil Servants were hired in their place it would make the Civil Service more inclusive and give everyone a chance at it. This would give everyone a chance at having a job and even a pension.

Currently, the Government Departments have done little about the unemployment crisis. This would give them an interest in it as they would be facing the dole queues (not jobs for life) after 5 years. They would want to tackle the unemployment problem not ignore it. I figure this is a great way of making the Civil Service more inclusive.

I think this would change voting patterns in Ireland . They might not vote the same way after their term in the Civil Service was up. Currently, I doubt they would vote for radical change in any area as many want the Status Quo retained. They definitely would have an interest in the Unemployment Crisis then and vote for change. The large numbers working in Councils/Government Departments/various quangos impact on the elections and they are more inclined to vote other sectors and would be voting for maintaining the status quo keeping the current system from radical change. But if they were no longer employed in these sectors they probably would not be voting for the Status Quo.

Status Quo is the only bit of this mad cap post I like ~ they were a great band in their day.. All that rubbish you posted before 'Status Quo' is just madness.

Nwm2 · 13-06-2013 12:55PM

Karlie Dry Ruffian wrote: »

Status Quo is the only bit of this mad cap post I like ~ they were a great band in their day.. All that rubbish you posted before 'Status Quo' is just madness.

Also, Madness were my favorite band of the '80s.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2013 01:02PM

Nwm2 wrote: »

Also, Madness were my favorite band of the '80s.

Never really a fan of the Quo as it just seemed to be the same dadada da da da every track but Madness. Yup. Good band.

OP - all civil servants? Ok...sure who needs experience any way...