Nursing jobs in Ireland don’t have to advertise here or fulfil Labor Mkt need test

NotCuteHoor · 11-06-2013 10:03PM #1

Nearly every job (except nursing) that requires a work permit has to be advertised in Ireland under the Labour Market Needs test. There is no legal requirement that Nursing jobs have to be advertised in Ireland/EU. The Labour Market Needs test does not apply to Irish Nursing jobs. I think all nursing jobs should have to be advertised in Ireland and comply with Labour Market Needs Test. The Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation website is my source for this information.

http://www.djei.ie/labour/workpermits/nurses.htm

paulmclaughlin · 11-06-2013 10:04PM

Is there an echo in here?

The King of Moo · 11-06-2013 10:06PM

Where is there any reference in that link to job advertisements? It's about applying for a work permit.

donvito99 · 11-06-2013 10:06PM

Is this an AH exclusive, OP?

NotCuteHoor · 11-06-2013 10:07PM

Boards.ie locked my thread as they said I should provide a credible source for my information. My source is the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation and I also gave a link to the information I quoted. My source was credible but thread was still locked.

L1011 · 11-06-2013 10:07PM

I'm not sure why you seem so convinced you've discovered some big conspiracy when all you've done is found the website to renew an existing work permit.

GetWithIt · 11-06-2013 10:08PM

This will not end well.

Though I do predict it will end soon.

The King of Moo · 11-06-2013 10:09PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Boards.ie locked my thread as they said I should provide a credible source for my information. My source is the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation and I also gave a link to the information I quoted. My source was credible but thread was still locked.

But your link doesn't have the information you claim it does. You still don't have a source.

IM0 · 11-06-2013 10:09PM

a cute hoor you are not

genericguy · 11-06-2013 10:10PM

What is your issue OP? All nurses do is change bed pans and go on strike anyway.

Mint Sauce · 11-06-2013 10:11PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Boards.ie locked my thread as they said I should provide a credible source for my information. My source is the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation and I also gave a link to the information I quoted. My source was credible but thread was still locked.

Its not creditable, as that link is not advertising a job, only advising people looking for a nursing role, on how to apply for, or renew their work permit.

It has nothing to do with at all, on advertising positions.

JustAThought · 11-06-2013 10:13PM

GetWithIt wrote: »

This will not end well.

Though I do predict it will end soon.

I know an Irish Nurse in a major Dublin hospital whose job it was to try an train overseas nurses up to speed; AFTER they had been recruited & signed contracts & been flown over to work on wards here.

An unqualified Irish nurse wouldn't be allowed be employed - but unqualified overseas nurses - no problem.

Really shocking.

One Of my parents was in Beaumont & Some Of The the nurses couldn't even communicate in pidgin English - makes you wonder how they would cope in an emergency trying to evaluate from a patient what was wrong/ they felt.

( and it wasn't cork accents
I was Worried about)

But sure not to worry - it'll all be grand.

LizT · 11-06-2013 10:19PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Nearly every job (except nursing) that requires a work permit has to be advertised in Ireland under the Labour Market Needs test. There is no legal requirement that Nursing jobs have to be advertised in Ireland/EU. The Labour Market Needs test does not apply to Irish Nursing jobs. I think all nursing jobs should have to be advertised in Ireland and comply with Labour Market Needs Test. The Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation website is my source for this information.

http://www.djei.ie/labour/workpermits/nurses.htm

As I said to you through PM, is this actually happening though? Are there Irish nursing jobs being advertised in other countries and not here?

Mint Sauce · 11-06-2013 10:20PM

JustAThought wrote: »

I know an Irish Nurse in a major Dublin hospital whose job it was to try an train overseas nurses up to speed; AFTER they had been recruited & signed contracts & been flown over to work on wards here.

An unqualified Irish nurse wouldn't be allowed be employed - but unqualified overseas nurses - no problem.

Really shocking.

One Of my parents was in Beaumont & Some Of The the nurses couldn't even communicate in pidgin English - makes you wonder how they would cope in an emergency trying to evaluate from a patient what was wrong/ they felt.

( and it wasn't cork accents
I was Worried about)

But sure not to worry - it'll all be grand.

You sure. To get a job as a nurse in Ireland, you have to be registered with An Bord Altranais, weather that be private or public. To get registered, you have to have a recognised nursing qualification.

NotCuteHoor · 11-06-2013 10:25PM

Sadly its true that Nursing jobs in Ireland don’t have to advertise here or fulfil Labor Mkt need test-this is the point of my thread. I hope you find the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation a credible source this time.

LizT · 11-06-2013 10:26PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Sadly its true that Nursing jobs in Ireland don’t have to advertise here or fulfil Labor Mkt need test-this is the point of my thread. I hope you find the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation a credible source this time.

And as I said to you - they may not be obliged to advertise here but are they definitely advertising the jobs in other countries and not here?

Mint Sauce · 11-06-2013 10:28PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

Sadly its true that Nursing jobs in Ireland don’t have to advertise here or fulfil Labor Mkt need test-this is the point of my thread. I hope you find the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation a credible source this time.

We understand the point. But where is your link or prove? All you have provided so far, and I repeat, is a link outlining the advice on how to apply or renew a permit. That is not the same as applying for a position.

NotCuteHoor · 11-06-2013 10:31PM

My point is that they are not legally obliged to advertise here. Can you prove they are definitely advertising here and not advertising the jobs abroad- as you asked me to do?

Nodin · 11-06-2013 10:32PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

My point is that they are not legally obliged to advertise here. Can you prove they are definitely advertising here and not advertising the jobs abroad- as you asked me to do?

What jobs specifically?

LizT · 11-06-2013 10:33PM

The reason I asked is because your first thread was titled "No Irish can apply as the jobs are not advertised (nursing jobs only)". You can see how that'd be misleading.

R1200RT · 11-06-2013 10:34PM

genericguy wrote: »

What is your issue OP? All nurses do is change bed pans and go on strike anyway.

That statement just justified a fresh batch of popcorn...

pabloh999 · 11-06-2013 10:35PM

If, they don't advertise in Ireland for nursing jobs in Ireland:eek:, that is an unbelievable disgrace .
This sounds too insane to true

It cant be true? Can it?

Mint Sauce · 11-06-2013 10:36PM

NotCuteHoor wrote: »

My point is that they are not legally obliged to advertise here. Can you prove they are definitely advertising here and not advertising the jobs abroad- as you asked me to do?

Can you prove they are definatly not advertising here? I doubt you can, as I have seen adverts for positions in private nursing homes, which you suggested did not exist in your previous thread.

L1011 · 11-06-2013 10:39PM

pabloh999 wrote: »

If, they don't advertise in Ireland for nursing jobs in Ireland:eek:, that is an unbelievable disgrace .
This sounds too insane to true

It cant be true? Can it?

Its not true, and yet the OP appears to think that randomly linking to an unrelated site proves it.

pabloh999 · 11-06-2013 10:40PM

irish-stew wrote: »

Can you prove they are definatly not advertising here? I doubt you can, as I have seen adverts for positions in private nursing homes, which you suggested did not exist in your previous thread.

Doesn't seem to make any sense.
The only advantage would be to import cheap labour, but don't nurses all make a standard universal wage?

Mint Sauce · 11-06-2013 10:48PM

pabloh999 wrote: »

Doesn't seem to make any sense.
The only advantage would be to import cheap labour, but don't nurses all make a standard universal wage?

Not really. Private home rates would differ from HSE rates. Different private homes would also differ. But would expect all nurses in the one home would be on the same rate, unless they were on a salary scale, ie, goes up the longer they are there.

The HSE though did recently recuit newly qualified at a reduced rate to exsisting staff, but this is a totally different issue to the one the OP is making.

KDII · 11-06-2013 10:50PM

As a tired and cranky nurse from a long day of bedpan management I anxiously await comments I can be offended by.

guppy · 11-06-2013 10:58PM

In fairness, I think the op is referring to the text at the bottom of the page stating that "No labour market needs test will apply to Work Permit Applications in respect of Nurses". I haven't a clue personally if that means what they think it means though.

Annasopra · 11-06-2013 11:03PM

guppy wrote: »

In fairness, I think the op is referring to the text at the bottom of the page stating that "No labour market needs test will apply to Work Permit Applications in respect of Nurses". I haven't a clue personally if that means what they think it means though.

I suspect the OP misunderstands what that means

Gatling · 11-06-2013 11:06PM

Been this is another one of these threads

Op saying one thing

Others saying its lies /veiled racist

So the question has to be

Is there a possibility that position's arent been advertised here are been advertised over seas and for what reason

Norfolk Enchants · 11-06-2013 11:16PM

Gatling wrote: »

Been this is another one of these threads

Op saying one thing

Others saying its lies /veiled racist

So the question has to be

Is there a possibility that position's arent been advertised here are been advertised over seas and for what reason

Of course there is a possibility. To obtain a work permit for a non EU national, the employer, usually, has to show the department that they advertised the job for three months and that they could not find a suitable EU/Irish citizen employee. Nursing positions are exempt from this rule. So the employer does not have to prove that they advertised the job to Irish/EU citizens first.

Nursing jobs in Ireland don’t have to advertise here or fulfil Labor Mkt need test

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