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garda Sergeant Sexually assaults colleague

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  • #32
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    daithi1970 wrote: »
    ..so following your logic,the good-looking pervs and rapists should be let off scot-free?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    no rape occurred
    i've had random idiot women grab my crotch; i certainly wasn't raped
    and no if he was bullying her he shouldn't be let off


  • #33
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Only messing. I'm lampooning the very phenomenon you're referring to. :)

    Phew! :o


  • #34
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Tigger wrote: »
    actually the law is up for interpenetration

    He has been convicted


  • #35
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,360 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Such behaviour is stone-age disgusting and its bullying of the highest order. Is he still in the job?
    If anyone did that in my workplace (and I guess in many others) you'd be walked straight out of the door. And rightly so.


  • #36
    Esoteric_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,255 ✭✭✭✭Esoteric_


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    i was grabbed by my privates and bottom numerous times by women without permission do you have any sympathy for me? could you imaging if i did that to a woman. we live in an incredibly sexist country.

    Actually I have 100% sympathy for you and if it was in a work situation, I would advise you to report them to management straight away. Female on male sexual assault/harassment is just as big a deal as male on female.


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  • #37
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    "Meh, if a Brad Pitt lookalike stuck his hand into her knickers she'd have no problem with it. It's only sexual harassment if the woman doesn't fancy the fella... :rolleyes:"
    i missed the bit where he stuck his hand in her knickers
    i take it back it was sexual assault


  • #38
    V123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭V123


    if he uses his position of sergeant like that with his colleagues how does he treat the public when dealing with them!


  • #39
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    i was grabbed by my privates and bottom numerous times by women without permission do you have any sympathy for me?
    Yes. They're utter bints for doing it. Why the assumption people wouldn't care?


  • #40
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    Esoteric_ wrote: »
    Actually I have 100% sympathy for you and if it was in a work situation, I would advise you to report them to management straight away. Female on male sexual assault/harassment is just as big a deal as male on female.

    what about if its not in work, that fair game?, Ive been grabbed numerous times [cupped] in different places at times too


  • #41
    Notorious97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Notorious97


    I think he got away lightly with it, id be ashamed of him if he was my dad for example and this was his carry on in work.

    Imagine it was your sister/mother/gf who was made feel uncomfortable, I gaurantee the smart posts wouldnt be happening then.

    Hes a disgrace to the state.


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  • #42
    Esoteric_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,255 ✭✭✭✭Esoteric_


    eireannBEAR, I would advise you to read the thread about a man being sexually harassed in work by an older woman which is in the Gentlemen's Club. The responses there show that people do actually realise that female on male sexual harassment and assault is just as wrong as male on female.


  • #43
    jaffacakesyum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Yes. They're utter bints for doing it. Why the assumption people wouldn't care?

    Yknow, whenever this topic comes up on boards, that comes up. I'm almost beginning to think it's not even an assumption people wouldn't care but that it almost justifies "minor" (for want of a better word) sexual assault against women because "sure when women pinch my bum I think it's a laugh".

    Just a theory. But maybe that's why there's so much apathy to "minor" sexual assaults, groping etc.


  • #44
    V123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭V123


    Femme Fatal - did you see the scene in the film CRASH where the good looking police man assaults the woman? would you think that situation was ok?


  • #45
    Esoteric_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,255 ✭✭✭✭Esoteric_


    IM0 wrote: »
    what about if its not in work, that fair game?, Ive been grabbed numerous times [cupped] in different places at times too

    It's not fair game anywhere, I never said or even implied that it was. I was giving the poster advice if it had happened to him in work, as the thread was about a male assaulting a female in work.

    It's not right for anybody, male or female, to sexually assault anyone, male or female.

    In saying that, I'm fully aware that if a girl has a hand shoved down her dress by a bloke in a club, security will kick the guy out, but may not do the same for the man if a girl grabs his bits. Some people see female on male sexual assault as a joke, when it's just as serious as male on female assault.


  • #46
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    Ilik Urgee wrote: »
    And to think he's made sergeant.

    Yes, with 29 years service and a sgt rank, he must be decent enough or they'd have gotten rid of him by now. He has dedicated 3 decades of their life to An Garda Siochana - that's a long time to spend with the horrendous working shift pattern, the endless days in court watching judges slap hardened criminals on the wrist, and facing nutcases and scumbags armed only with a radio and ****ty extendable baton, all the while knowing that any misjudgement in delivering that service could result in an ended career.

    He's been found guilty, he's taken punishment and worse of all, he has to face his own 2 children who by now know all about daddies deeds.


  • #47
    jaffacakesyum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    discus wrote: »
    Yes, with 29 years service and a sgt rank, he must be decent enough or they'd have gotten rid of him by now. He has dedicated 3 decades of their life to An Garda Siochana - that's a long time to spend with the horrendous working shift pattern, the endless days in court watching judges slap hardened criminals on the wrist, and facing nutcases and scumbags armed only with a radio and ****ty extendable baton, all the while knowing that any misjudgement in delivering that service could result in an ended career.

    He's been found guilty, he's taken punishment and worse of all, he has to face his own 2 children who by now know all about daddies deeds.

    Any sympathy for the victim left in there?

    Just curious.


  • #48
    Ilik Urgee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭Ilik Urgee


    discus wrote: »
    Yes, with 29 years service and a sgt rank, he must be decent enough or they'd have gotten rid of him by now. He has dedicated 3 decades of their life to An Garda Siochana - that's a long time to spend with the horrendous working shift pattern, the endless days in court watching judges slap hardened criminals on the wrist, and facing nutcases and scumbags armed only with a radio and ****ty extendable baton, all the while knowing that any misjudgement in delivering that service could result in an ended career.

    He's been found guilty, he's taken punishment and worse of all, he has to face his own 2 children who by now know all about daddies deeds.

    All counts for nothing now. A thug and a bully, wonder where his power trips started?


  • #49
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    V123 wrote: »
    Femme Fatal - did you see the scene in the film CRASH where the good looking police man assaults the woman? would you think that situation was ok?
    That is an absolutely horrible scene. The guy being good-looking doesn't make the slightest bit of a difference. Unfortunately though, the repugnant "It's only sexual harassment if they don't fancy them" mantra is a popular one. I often wonder how far the person has to go for it to be deemed sexual harassment even if they're good-looking.


  • #50
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    V123 wrote: »
    Femme Fatal - did you see the scene in the film CRASH where the good looking police man assaults the woman? would you think that situation was ok?

    that was sexual assault


  • #51
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    From the article;
    In 2012 Woods had also been convicted and fined at Dublin District Court for sexually assaulting another female officer by groping her leg before telling her “I'd say you're some screamer in bed”.

    However, in January this year he had that conviction overturned on appeal at the Circuit Court where Judge Terrence O'Sullivan found there was insufficient evidence that the manner in which he touched the officer constituted an act of indecency and the remark said to her afterwards could have been interpreted a kind joke comment.
    :eek:

    If he's like this to his colleagues, I'd hate to see how he treated/threatened the female public!


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  • #52
    CarlDunne1979
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭CarlDunne1979


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    "Meh, if a Brad Pitt lookalike stuck his hand into her knickers she'd have no problem with it. It's only sexual harassment if the woman doesn't fancy the fella... :rolleyes:"

    Never thought a female would admit that.

    You single?


  • #53
    Esoteric_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,255 ✭✭✭✭Esoteric_


    CarlDunne1979 wrote: »
    Never thought a female would admit that.

    You single?

    Classy.


  • #54
    humbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Did he lose his job? It says his career is in ruins but that seems ambiguous to me.

    The circumstances of his successfully appealing the previous conviction should be revisited IMO. I can't help but suspect that there are a few judges in this country still holding onto anachronistic views of what constitutes a joke.


  • #55
    V123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭V123


    yes and this situation was also sexual assault and god knows what else he's done that hasn't been reported.

    It the issue of power over another person and the fact that she was crying in the toilets just shows how he made her feel. Theres a lot that goes on that you cannot read in the report - strange looks things like that that probably gave her the creeps also

    id say he is just a scumbag and thought he could do whatever he wanted - she was probably younger and attractive and he was showing off but fair play to her for reporting it

    imagine being sexually assaulted and ringing the police and he shows up on the scene!!


  • #56
    CarlDunne1979
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭CarlDunne1979


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Unfortunately though, the repugnant "It's only
    sexual harassment if they don't fancy them" mantra is a popular one.



    Repugnant, but true. I've seen some VERY dodgy sexual behaviour been tried on girls by good looking chaps in clubs, it either results in a kind of "ah you cheeky devil" response or an almost instant score. Not so good looking chap and the bouncers would have been called. It's a fact of life, doesn't mean that kind of thing is acceptable, just means certain females should check their priorities and standards.


  • #57
    Topper Harley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Topper Harley


    I can't believe this from the judge in his other case:
    In 2012 Woods had also been convicted and fined at Dublin District Court for sexually assaulting another female officer by groping her leg before telling her “I'd say you're some screamer in bed”.

    However, in January this year he had that conviction overturned on appeal at the Circuit Court where Judge Terrence O'Sullivan found there was insufficient evidence that the manner in which he touched the officer constituted an act of indecency and the remark said to her afterwards could have been interpreted as a kind joke comment.


  • #58
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    y0pperz wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-sergeant-avoids-jail-for-sexually-assaulting-female-colleague-29337178.html

    ...
    Ilik Urgee wrote: »
    And to think he's made sergeant.
    the_syco wrote: »
    From the article;

    :eek:

    If he's like this to his colleagues, I'd hate to see how he treated/threatened the female public!

    I hope to God she will be okay and will be strong enough to return to any station working out her career.
    A Garda Sergeant sexually assaults a colleague but no jail-time and I am in no way surprised!

    What sickens me also is that he would probably have been meeting and greeting assault victims himself and taking reports from same victims whilst working and all the while having sexually assaulted another himself. It's that attitude that just gauls me :mad: I hope no other person who has gone to him for support after an assault finds out who this Garda Sergeant actually is! That certainly won't assist them in their own healing process :mad:

    Sickened!


  • #59
    matTNT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 351 ✭✭matTNT


    I'd advise her to take it to civil court if she could hear this.


  • #60
    herisson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,676 ✭✭✭✭herisson


    Riddle101 wrote: »
    Did you make any complaints to the higher ups? Seems like it was going on for a while. Did you manage get the situation resolved?

    Yeah i did. I said it to management. He switched to leering at me, but he has since stopped and they put me on opposite shifts to him.


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  • #61
    CarlDunne1979
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭CarlDunne1979


    The real question which needs to be tackled here is: should she have been there to get sexually assaulted in the first place? Should women really be allowed to become police officers in the case of there already being an adequate number of willing male potential recruitments available? Seemingly men are much better suited to this physically demanding job, considering the fact they are the stronger sex. Wouldn't that mean that the recruiters have a right to select them over women, just as the most fit people get chosen in any other recruitment situation?


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