garda Sergeant Sexually assaults colleague

y0pperz

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-sergeant-avoids-jail-for-sexually-assaulting-female-colleague-29337178.html

While I agree this behavior has absolutely no place in a professional environment, I was shamefully in stitches laughing reading through it.

A judge heard that he pushed his pelvic region against the woman's behind, grabbed her hips and began gyrating while saying, “she likes it this way”.

She said that once when officers were asked if they would work at the Dublin Horse Show, Woods had said her “Do you want to go to that? You are good at riding.”

In 2012 Woods had also been convicted and fined at Dublin District Court for sexually assaulting another female officer by groping her leg before telling her “I'd say you're some screamer in bed”.

So what are your thoughts ? Was the judge correct in just imposing a fine, or should he have received a custodial sentence.. In my opinion he should be on stage doing stand-up or given his own TV show.

Esoteric_

I don't see how you found any of that funny. It's absolutely disgusting being subjected to that kind of treatment in work, and I'm saying that as somebody who was on the receiving end of it.

You try acting professional when a colleague is telling you that the best place for you is on your knees, or having your arse or tits grabbed. :mad:

C.K Dexter Haven

y0pperz wrote: »

While I agree this behavior has absolutely no place in a professional environment, .

Ure damn fcking right it shouldn't .

Poor Uncle Tom

It just shows there are lecherous predatory inappropriately behaved animals in every profession and walk of life.

IM0

given the context and no doubt joking manner of the gyrating hips one, seems a bit of an over reaction a bit having read the article

at the risk of saying it gives ones who are propperly sexually assaulted less....emmmm clout? it kind of does though?

Firewalkwithme

y0pperz wrote: »

I was shamefully in stitches laughing reading through it.

In my opinion he should be on stage doing stand-up or given his own TV show.

People like you are either carrying out this kind of harassment or are responsible for the "ah sure it's only a joke" attitude that allows it to take place or go unreported.

Your immature idiotic attitude leads me to believe that you are possibly about 12 years old or a potential offender yourself.

herisson

IM0 wrote: »

given the context and no doubt joking manner of the gyrating hips one, seems a bit of an over reaction a bit

From my stand point its not an over reaction. It's happened to me before and i was always dreading going into work because of it. No one should feel so uncomfortable going into work because someone is making such comments.

Esoteric_

IM0 wrote: »

given the context and no doubt joking manner of the gyrating hips one, seems a bit of an over reaction a bit

He pushed his pelvic region into her and gyrated against her. How can that be considered a joke?

When I was sexually assaulted in work, the guy laughed while doing it. Just because HE saw it as a joke does not mean it was funny.

Esoteric_

IM0 wrote: »

given the context and no doubt joking manner of the gyrating hips one, seems a bit of an over reaction a bit having read the article

at the risk of saying it gives ones who are propperly sexually assaulted less....emmmm clout? it kind of does though?

The woman WAS 'properly' sexually assaulted. He was grinding his crotch against her ass. That's a pretty easily identifiable assault.

suicide_circus

It does sound like the plot from a Carry On film but not so hilarious if its your gf etc

IM0

Esoteric_ wrote: »

He pushed his pelvic region into her and gyrated against her. How can that be considered a joke?

When I was sexually assaulted in work, the guy laughed while doing it. Just because HE saw it as a joke does not mean it was funny.

willing to bet you didnt read the whole article, I mean the whole thing not just the one on that page

Riddle101

Pixie-Fairy wrote: »

From my stand point its not an over reaction. It's happened to me before and i was always dreading going into work because of it. No one should feel so uncomfortable going into work because someone is making such comments.

Did you make any complaints to the higher ups? Seems like it was going on for a while. Did you manage get the situation resolved?

Tigger

there will be no fun at work !

i rember one of the lads in college used tpo say : the difference between a nympho and a stalker is all in the looks

he may have bullied her (may have ) but he didn't sexually assault her

V123

i think it is awful and the humiliation that woman had to face is terrible. What he said is so unbelievable that i have to say it did make me giggle a bit!

I think the fact that he has done this to more than one woman shows that he was doing it on purpose and knew he was making her uncomfortable and he deserves everything he gets!

I wonder if the wife stood by him!

Esoteric_

IM0 wrote: »

willing to bet you didnt read the whole article, I mean the whole thing not just the one on that page

I read the linked article. He pushed his crotch into her hips and gyrated into her while telling her she liked it that way, he previously sexually assaulted another female colleague, he grabbed a colleague's breast while telling her to wake up. What more do you need before you realise that what he did was sexual assault? Does it have to involve him doing it underneath her clothing rather than over?

efb

Tigger wrote: »

there will be no fun at work !

i rember one of the lads in college used tpo say : the difference between a nympho and a stalker is all in the looks

he may have bullied her (may have ) but he didn't sexually assault her

.

The law says otherwise

Tonyandthewhale

IM0 wrote: »

given the context and no doubt joking manner of the gyrating hips one, seems a bit of an over reaction a bit having read the article

at the risk of saying it gives ones who are propperly sexually assaulted less....emmmm clout? it kind of does though?

No.

jaffacakesyum

Tigger wrote: »

there will be no fun at work !

i rember one of the lads in college used tpo say : the difference between a nympho and a stalker is all in the looks

he may have bullied her (may have ) but he didn't sexually assault her

So grabbing somebodies hips and gyrating behind them is bullying now?

Pretty obvious sexual assault to me there. But of course it's not 'serious enough' for AH, I know.

What a díck though (the Garda, not you :pac: )

Karl Stein

These threads attract some dribbling morons who seem to have somehow retained 1950's attitudes to this type of thing.

Femme_Fatale

"Meh, if a Brad Pitt lookalike stuck his hand into her knickers she'd have no problem with it. It's only sexual harassment if the woman doesn't fancy the fella... :rolleyes:"

Femme_Fatale

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

These threads attract some dribbling morons who seem to have somehow retained 1950's attitudes to this type of thing.

Oh here comes the white knight. Trying to get laid eh...? :rolleyes:

Esoteric_

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Oh here comes the white knight. Trying to get laid eh...? :rolleyes:

Some people have morals.

Ilik Urgee

And to think he's made sergeant.

daithi1970

..so following your logic,the good-looking pervs and rapists should be let off scot-free?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

y0pperz

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

And to think he's made sergeant:rolleyes:

I know I can't for the life of me spell that word properly

matTNT

Esoteric_ wrote: »

Does it have to involve him doing it underneath her clothing rather than over?

No but that would be more clear cut. I think the argument of some is that it may have been in jest if he did this with all co workers including men. I however would say that because it wasn't an isolated incident that it is sexual assault.

Karl Stein

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Oh here comes the white knight. Trying to get laid eh...? :rolleyes:

What?

Tigger

efb wrote: »

.

The law says otherwise

actually the law is up for interpenetration

Femme_Fatale

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

What?

Only messing. I'm lampooning the very phenomenon you're referring to.

Esoteric_

matTNT wrote: »

No but that would be more clear cut. I think the argument of some is that it may have been in jest if he did this with all co workers including men. I however would say that because it wasn't an isolated incident that it is sexual assault.

I don't see how clothing needs to be removed for it to be more clear cut. If a man I work with grabs my breast through my clothing, it's a sexual assault, same as if I grabbed some guy's penis through his clothing.

You make a very valid point about him not doing it to male colleagues. I would love to see him attempt to respond to something like that. :pac:

eireannBEAR

Esoteric_ wrote: »

The woman WAS 'properly' sexually assaulted. He was grinding his crotch against her ass. That's a pretty easily identifiable assault.

i was grabbed by my privates and bottom numerous times by women without permission do you have any sympathy for me? could you imaging if i did that to a woman. we live in an incredibly sexist country.

Tigger

daithi1970 wrote: »

..so following your logic,the good-looking pervs and rapists should be let off scot-free?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

no rape occurred
i've had random idiot women grab my crotch; i certainly wasn't raped
and no if he was bullying her he shouldn't be let off

Karl Stein

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Only messing. I'm lampooning the very phenomenon you're referring to.

Phew!

efb

Tigger wrote: »

actually the law is up for interpenetration

He has been convicted

Boskowski

Such behaviour is stone-age disgusting and its bullying of the highest order. Is he still in the job?
If anyone did that in my workplace (and I guess in many others) you'd be walked straight out of the door. And rightly so.

Esoteric_

eireannBEAR wrote: »

i was grabbed by my privates and bottom numerous times by women without permission do you have any sympathy for me? could you imaging if i did that to a woman. we live in an incredibly sexist country.

Actually I have 100% sympathy for you and if it was in a work situation, I would advise you to report them to management straight away. Female on male sexual assault/harassment is just as big a deal as male on female.

Tigger

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

"Meh, if a Brad Pitt lookalike stuck his hand into her knickers she'd have no problem with it. It's only sexual harassment if the woman doesn't fancy the fella... :rolleyes:"

i missed the bit where he stuck his hand in her knickers
i take it back it was sexual assault

V123

if he uses his position of sergeant like that with his colleagues how does he treat the public when dealing with them!

Femme_Fatale

eireannBEAR wrote: »

i was grabbed by my privates and bottom numerous times by women without permission do you have any sympathy for me?

Yes. They're utter bints for doing it. Why the assumption people wouldn't care?

IM0

Esoteric_ wrote: »

Actually I have 100% sympathy for you and if it was in a work situation, I would advise you to report them to management straight away. Female on male sexual assault/harassment is just as big a deal as male on female.

what about if its not in work, that fair game?, Ive been grabbed numerous times [cupped] in different places at times too

Notorious97

I think he got away lightly with it, id be ashamed of him if he was my dad for example and this was his carry on in work.

Imagine it was your sister/mother/gf who was made feel uncomfortable, I gaurantee the smart posts wouldnt be happening then.

Hes a disgrace to the state.

Esoteric_

eireannBEAR, I would advise you to read the thread about a man being sexually harassed in work by an older woman which is in the Gentlemen's Club. The responses there show that people do actually realise that female on male sexual harassment and assault is just as wrong as male on female.

jaffacakesyum

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Yes. They're utter bints for doing it. Why the assumption people wouldn't care?

Yknow, whenever this topic comes up on boards, that comes up. I'm almost beginning to think it's not even an assumption people wouldn't care but that it almost justifies "minor" (for want of a better word) sexual assault against women because "sure when women pinch my bum I think it's a laugh".

Just a theory. But maybe that's why there's so much apathy to "minor" sexual assaults, groping etc.

V123

Femme Fatal - did you see the scene in the film CRASH where the good looking police man assaults the woman? would you think that situation was ok?

Esoteric_

IM0 wrote: »

what about if its not in work, that fair game?, Ive been grabbed numerous times [cupped] in different places at times too

It's not fair game anywhere, I never said or even implied that it was. I was giving the poster advice if it had happened to him in work, as the thread was about a male assaulting a female in work.

It's not right for anybody, male or female, to sexually assault anyone, male or female.

In saying that, I'm fully aware that if a girl has a hand shoved down her dress by a bloke in a club, security will kick the guy out, but may not do the same for the man if a girl grabs his bits. Some people see female on male sexual assault as a joke, when it's just as serious as male on female assault.

discus

Ilik Urgee wrote: »

And to think he's made sergeant.

Yes, with 29 years service and a sgt rank, he must be decent enough or they'd have gotten rid of him by now. He has dedicated 3 decades of their life to An Garda Siochana - that's a long time to spend with the horrendous working shift pattern, the endless days in court watching judges slap hardened criminals on the wrist, and facing nutcases and scumbags armed only with a radio and ****ty extendable baton, all the while knowing that any misjudgement in delivering that service could result in an ended career.

He's been found guilty, he's taken punishment and worse of all, he has to face his own 2 children who by now know all about daddies deeds.

jaffacakesyum

discus wrote: »

Yes, with 29 years service and a sgt rank, he must be decent enough or they'd have gotten rid of him by now. He has dedicated 3 decades of their life to An Garda Siochana - that's a long time to spend with the horrendous working shift pattern, the endless days in court watching judges slap hardened criminals on the wrist, and facing nutcases and scumbags armed only with a radio and ****ty extendable baton, all the while knowing that any misjudgement in delivering that service could result in an ended career.

He's been found guilty, he's taken punishment and worse of all, he has to face his own 2 children who by now know all about daddies deeds.

Any sympathy for the victim left in there?

Just curious.

Ilik Urgee

discus wrote: »

Yes, with 29 years service and a sgt rank, he must be decent enough or they'd have gotten rid of him by now. He has dedicated 3 decades of their life to An Garda Siochana - that's a long time to spend with the horrendous working shift pattern, the endless days in court watching judges slap hardened criminals on the wrist, and facing nutcases and scumbags armed only with a radio and ****ty extendable baton, all the while knowing that any misjudgement in delivering that service could result in an ended career.

He's been found guilty, he's taken punishment and worse of all, he has to face his own 2 children who by now know all about daddies deeds.

All counts for nothing now. A thug and a bully, wonder where his power trips started?

Femme_Fatale

V123 wrote: »

Femme Fatal - did you see the scene in the film CRASH where the good looking police man assaults the woman? would you think that situation was ok?

That is an absolutely horrible scene. The guy being good-looking doesn't make the slightest bit of a difference. Unfortunately though, the repugnant "It's only sexual harassment if they don't fancy them" mantra is a popular one. I often wonder how far the person has to go for it to be deemed sexual harassment even if they're good-looking.

Tigger

V123 wrote: »

Femme Fatal - did you see the scene in the film CRASH where the good looking police man assaults the woman? would you think that situation was ok?

that was sexual assault

the_syco

From the article;

In 2012 Woods had also been convicted and fined at Dublin District Court for sexually assaulting another female officer by groping her leg before telling her “I'd say you're some screamer in bed”.

However, in January this year he had that conviction overturned on appeal at the Circuit Court where Judge Terrence O'Sullivan found there was insufficient evidence that the manner in which he touched the officer constituted an act of indecency and the remark said to her afterwards could have been interpreted a kind joke comment.

:eek:

If he's like this to his colleagues, I'd hate to see how he treated/threatened the female public!