Season 3; Episode 10: HAVE read the books/Beware of SPOILERS

Witcher · 09-06-2013 09:46PM #1

Episode 10: Mhysa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCbOjD-eGtU

Wanted to be the one to open one of these threads:pac:

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This is it folks...the end of the road for another year...the season went in quick.

Anyway,...'Mhysa'...interesting title..think we all know what to expect from it:pac:

Duckworth_Luas · 09-06-2013 10:11PM

Blay wrote: »

Anyway,...'Mhysa'...interesting title..think we all know what to expect from it:pac:

The producers have a habit of having double meanings to the episode titles.

Mhysa is Giscari, in the show Valarian, for "mother" and is what the slaves chant at the Mother of Dragons when she conquers Yunkai.

It was also Robb Stark's last words a week ago. Lady Stoneheart tonight?

10-06-2013 03:20AM

Sooo, Jaime's in King's Landing...Don't know how they're going to deal with that.

Also the Ygritte and Snow bit made me feel like I was watching the Notebook.

At least the new Snow in town was given a proper introduction :pac:

mad turnip · 10-06-2013 04:42AM

An interesting episode but nothing special, not really.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 10-06-2013 05:10AM

Actually thought as an episode in its entirety, was way better than last week. While the red wedding last week was great, the rest of the episode felt disjointed... This one flowed a hell of a lot better.

Gotta say I bloody love Davos. Didn't really warm to him much in the books until ADWD, but Liam Cunningham has nailed it. Easily one of the best characters in the show. Adds great comedy too, with his little asides.

Thought the scene with Jon and Ygritte was fantastic. Worked out better than it did in the books. And I'd say for the viewers who haven't read the books, that scene had them worried after last week's massacre. And Jon's fate is still up in the air as far as the show is concerned.

Interesting that Jaime is in King's Landing prior to the wedding. I wonder how much of a difference that will make to that whole story arc.

Ramsay makes Joffrey look like Care Bear. The scene with the sausage was twisted.

Hope we get a good bit of Arya and The Hound next season before they part ways. Their scenes are great to watch.

The scene at the end was nicely done. The imagery of Dany, Jorah, Selmy, Missandei and Daario standing outside the gates with the unsullied, the second sons and the dragons was epic enough, but then Dany walking amongst the crowd and the eventual pan out to reveal the true size of her army was unreal to see.

Gonna be a long wait until next year - no more books to read (just finished ADWD this week) and no episodes... How am I gonna get my fix?

10-06-2013 08:13AM

Excellent. They covered a lot of ground!

The scene with the small council at the start was incredible. Especially the chemistry between Tyrion & Tywin. Tywin really is a horrible bastard

Hodoooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Hodooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Hoddooooooorrrrrr. Well Sam still has dragon glass!

The dialogue between Frey & Bolton was very good. Answered a few questions for non book readers. Ramsay is growing on me now to be honest. He does the sadistic killer very well, kind of like the guy in Dirty Harry. Reek reek, it rhymes with sneak. The letter to Balon was a nice touch.

Davos & Gendry's scene was well done, they've replaced Eidric well but how is this going to work with the books? Eidric must die then I take it..? Stannis is heading to the wall!

That scene with Ayra was bloody brilliant, I love Sandor he's hilarious. Valar Morghulis !

Jon & Ygritte

, done very well though.

Jamie arriving at Kings Landing early shouldn't complicate things too much, just means he'll be there for the wedding instead of arriving afterwards.

Well now we know why they called the episode Mysha

. That was done brilliantly, better to watch then to read that's for sure!

Now to wait another year, for **** sake

Sleepy · 10-06-2013 09:25AM

CaptainNegative wrote: »

Gonna be a long wait until next year - no more books to read (just finished ADWD this week) and no episodes... How am I gonna get my fix?

Dunk and Egg

podgemonster · 10-06-2013 10:30AM

The annual season top off episode. Found it quite enjoyable and heartwarming compared to last episode.

Compared to the darkness of ep 9, Mysha was full a "good" deeds. Sam helping Bran, Davos helping Gendry, Yara's pledge to save Theon (watched that twice), Aemon housing Gilly and ending in Dany freeing a city of slaves.

Roose's walk to the top of the castle was a spectacular scene, such horrific brutality and topped off with us seeing Robb with Greywinds head. Enjoyed the Bolton-Frey chemistry, 2 repulsive dark twisted men in making conversation when clearly there is no trust between them.

What the hell am I going to do until next April?

beardedmaster · 10-06-2013 10:59AM

Surprised they revealed Stannis thoughts on going to the Wall so soon.
Was such a shock in the books when he showed up out of nowhere.

Retrovertigo · 10-06-2013 11:05AM

Enjoyed the episode, they covered a lot of much needed ground. It seems that dodgy pic of Robwind was bang on but Arya made up for it in her scene with the hound.

Wasn't crazy on the last scene though to be honest, it will always be Mhy-sa in my head not Mee-sa! Still only a minor gripe.

podgemonster · 10-06-2013 11:37AM

beardedmaster wrote: »

Surprised they revealed Stannis thoughts on going to the Wall so soon.
Was such a shock in the books when he showed up out of nowhere.

It was one of the many great twists in Storm of Swords and changes the dynamic of the war and the situation on the wall drastically. It seems the Battle in the Snow will come much earlier than anticipated then.
Thought it would be next seasons episode 9.

Also interesting having Jaime in Kingslanding so early, i guess he will be drift from Cersei and reform the Kingsguard while Joffery still lives. Not sure what is Brienne and Theon going to do for an entire season apart from rot in a cell? Stannis and Yara will spend the majority of the season on a boat while Dany takes 1 city across a whole season. I think they will have bring in some of the Feast storylines pretty sure they could finish of Storm in 6 or 7 episode rather than other 10.

Barna77 · 10-06-2013 12:31PM

Twyn and Tyrion, they were incredible. The look on Joffrey

The king in the north

I assume Gendry will make his way now to the Inn. Taking him to Dragonstone saved them of a new character -Edric- but served the same purpose. Nicely done.

badass Arya, wow

Now the wait.

whomitconcerns · 10-06-2013 12:36PM

havent watched the episode yet...so tywin and joff are still alive in the show for next season??

ArmaniJeanss · 10-06-2013 12:51PM

CaptainNegative wrote: »

Gonna be a long wait until next year - no more books to read (just finished ADWD this week) and no episodes... How am I gonna get my fix?

Leave it a few months and then do a re-read around November.

I found the second read very rewarding as you notice so many little subtleties along the way, generally because you aren't speed reading to 'see what happened'.

10-06-2013 01:06PM

podgemonster wrote: »

It was one of the many great twists in Storm of Swords and changes the dynamic of the war and the situation on the wall drastically. It seems the Battle in the Snow will come much earlier than anticipated then.
Thought it would be next seasons episode 9.

Also interesting having Jaime in Kingslanding so early, i guess he will be drift from Cersei and reform the Kingsguard while Joffery still lives. Not sure what is Brienne and Theon going to do for an entire season apart from rot in a cell? Stannis and Yara will spend the majority of the season on a boat while Dany takes 1 city across a whole season. I think they will have bring in some of the Feast storylines pretty sure they could finish of Storm in 6 or 7 episode rather than other 10.

There wasn't too much with King's Landing this season and I think it will suffer a bit next season from what they cut out. Maybe they'll bring the introduction to Dorne forward a bit but they definitely have to introduce Mace Tyrell and some more characters around King's Landing. The Tyrells are so underdeveloped.

Ultimately they have to get through Dany taking Meereen, Joffrey's wedding (2 or 3 episodes worth of material in there), Tyrion's trial inc. all the Red Viper and Mountain scenes, bit of Jaime and Tywin discussing the hand incident, Roose Bolton attempting to control the North, presumably some early Alayne scenes, Arya and the Hound and then Jon's ascension to Lord Commander and subsequent battle with the Wildlings. Then they have their big episode 9 deaths with Tywin and Ygritte. The Ironborn will probably be seen a bit and Ramsay might send a few more of his fabled letters :pac:

So there is a lot of material there, more than 10 episodes worth in reality that will once again be condensed into a good tv show but only an ok adaptation of the books.

Mr.Prodston · 10-06-2013 01:30PM

Damn, I'd convinced myself that Stoneheart was going to be the ending. But oh no we get an uplifting moment where 1000's of strangers call Dany mother, bah :pac:

No it really was a very good episode. Greywind-Robb was shocking to see visually :eek: and poor Arya catching a glimpse, a nice/nasty touch

Maisie Williams is just so fantastic as Arya. She always was my favourite character in the books too. That scene with the Frey's was gruesome itself, and a nice nod towards the faceless men. I fully expect most of next season to be herself and the hound an their travels and perhaps making her way to the saltpans and onto the boat to Bravos at the end.

The conversation between Roose and Walder was indeed very informative for non-bookers and the reveal to Theon's torturer being Ramsey was extremely well done I though. Reek, Reek it rhymes with meek. Iwan Rheon is a great Ramsey.

For a second I thought that Asha was talking to Walder Frey, instead of her father (the hair) so I'd bet non-readers may have made that mistake too. I wonder will they actually show Asha next year capturing Deepwood Motte? It would be interesting to develop her character especially before the likely kingsmoot in Season 5.

The Gendry situation worked out as I expected it to. Is there any chance that Gendry could end up joining Brienne when she explores Westeros? She meets him towards the end so we either don't see Gendry again until then or somehow they join together. Not that important at the moment.

I guess the surprise element of Stannis arriving at the wall just in time won't happen now but at least people will get the progress they want. Davos/Liam Cunningham are great also.

Jaime arriving at KL shouldn't be too much of an issue as people would hate seeing his journey back or just not seeing him.

Tyrion and Tywin's scene was amazing as always. I actually think that was the most heart-warming scene we'll ever see between the pair, which shows just how perverse their relationship is. Tywin actually defends his son after Joff's outburst. I'm glad we didn't see him tormenting Sansa, but that will come yet presumably.

Shae does NOT love Tyrion, that annoyed me so much. Like I said before if we don't get to see her in Tywin's bed I'll have a fit :pac:

Jon and Ygritte's showdown was well done. I'm sure some people thought Jon was going to be offed there and then too. The Bran/Sam scene was good nice and well HODOR

A strong ending to the season but I can't help but be disappointed that there was no Stoneheart. Hopefully we'll get a glimpse of her body by the river in ep 2 or 3 and then it will be the last scene at the end of next season, like the books.

10-06-2013 02:17PM

I hope the first scene of the next season is Arya's wolf dream and then the last Lady Stoneheart, would be perfect.

Witcher · 10-06-2013 05:04PM

After Joffrey's rant at Tywin you could see in his face 'I've gone too far here':pac:

Have to admit I laughed at Ramsay with the sausage:P

OctavarIan · 10-06-2013 05:09PM

Was expecting a cliffhanger 'oh ****' ending like the last two seasons, nice to just have a cheesy happy one for a change.

The best thing about it is I see people getting really paranoid about Daenerys now purely because the ending was so happy.

Jelle1880 · 10-06-2013 05:59PM

How gruesome was that opening scene in the army camp ?

I must say, the show creators sure know how to put across the hatred I have for the Freys and the Boltons

I don't get why people are disappointed that there is no Stoneheart yet...

There is so much, much more that has to happen before we see that.
It would be far to weird to have it right after she died.

beardedmaster · 10-06-2013 06:54PM

Loved the subtle touches of comedy in this episode.

Hodor and the well... and his face when Sam says that he's heard all about him.
Podrick's clear reputation around town.
Ramsay Snow and that sausage... had me cringing when he bit into it...
And of course, Theon's dick-in-a-box.

Robbwind was so... gruesome. They did such a botched job of it, in a good way. The way the head was stuck on kind of highlighted how cruel/barbaric the whole affair was.

Loved the Dany scene at the end, actually thought it was pretty powerful. I'm glad that they didn't finish off the season in a supernatural vein, as they did with the last two.

Gonna be a loooong 9-10 months.

mewso · 10-06-2013 07:32PM

Liam O wrote: »

Then they have their big episode 9 deaths with Tywin and Ygritte.

If they leave Ygritte till the end it will be a big change. Has to happen very early next season.

Anyway good episode. A few thoughts.

No coldhands as expected but worked fine. But again we keep getting clues in the TV show that certain characters don't matter.

Brienne arrives with Sansa not having left Kings Landing yet. Hey Brienne just wait until Sansa does a runner then you can decide to honour Cat's request.

Shae loving Tyrion is a change I don't like at all and for a minute I thought she would actually take the diamonds. I am wondering if they will chicken out on this one.

Stannis made to look that much worse for only needing one king to die before deciding he was happy to burn his nephew.

PopePalpatine · 10-06-2013 08:24PM

Although "Rains of Castamere" probably can't be matched for shock value, after thinking about it "Mhysa" seems like a much more complete episode as it had a nice balance between the various arcs.

My highlight was the council meeting, I love watching Joffrey struggle to keep his crown on. Personally, I'd love to see one scene where he, like the Mad King, cuts himself on the barbs of the Iron Throne. Tywin telling Tyrion why he didn't kill him when he was born was a nice touch.

Theon/Ramsey's scene made me giddy. Watching Theon break one last time just made me sit there, wide-eyed, waiting to hear the name "Reek". Has anyone else found that it's ironic that Ramsey is played by someone whose surname rhymes with "Theon"? :pac:

After the massacre of the Starks, Bran's story about the cursed cook was a nice touch. Unfortunately it seems that Walder Frey's curse seems to be taking its sweet-ass time waiting to strike.

And now, our watch wait begins.

Witcher · 10-06-2013 08:25PM

Yara/Ash's speech was very inspiring...I almost want her to succeed:pac:

Ruski · 10-06-2013 08:33PM

I don't know why but I kinda really love Roose Bolton. Sure he's a scumbag but he's also pretty badass.

10-06-2013 08:36PM

Watched it again..... I have issues but in fairness we're going to have to wait another year for it....

Hodor shouting in the well is ****ing brilliant, in fact I am making that my alarm tone for the mornings from now on. How could any day not start well with Hodor Hodoring ?

kksaints · 10-06-2013 09:42PM

Didnt like the ending. Thought it was quite underwhelming especially if they stick to the same sort of story as in the book. Rest of the episode was decent but I hope they dont really change the Shae ending too much.

Handsome Bob · 10-06-2013 09:55PM

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Damn, I'd convinced myself that Stoneheart was going to be the ending. But oh no we get an uplifting moment where 1000's of strangers call Dany mother, bah :pac:

No it really was a very good episode. Greywind-Robb was shocking to see visually :eek: and poor Arya catching a glimpse, a nice/nasty touch

Aye I was sure that she'd be the end too (someone claimed elsewhere that Beric was down as having an appearance in this ep so that had me even more convinced), but it's nice to see a season end on a positive note for once. :pac:

I'm sure that they'll still use Stoneheart, I mean between Frey's goading of his dead enemies and the disgusting and sick "here comes the king in the north" scene, the audience have been positioned to hate these cretins with a passion. Bran's line about how killing a guest beneath your roof is something the gods can't forgive was a nice bit of foreshadowing too.

Besides for that, there was a lot to like about the finale and I agree with the poster who said that as a whole, it was better than last week. Cersei and Tyrion's scene was excellent, it was undoubtedly one of Headey's best moments. Tyrion and Tywin, as always, was a brilliant exchange too.

Balon and Yara also had a great exchange, with the former showing once again how much of a **** he is.

As for the Starks, they are all actually holding my interest now (never thought I'd say that about Bran and Sansa).

So yeah, good and solid finale that nicely positioned the pieces that will come into play next season.

Brian? · 10-06-2013 10:27PM

Gutted they left out Coldhands. I was really looking forward to seeing him.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Coldhands

AgileMyth · 10-06-2013 10:39PM

By the end of the books Ramsay is the character I hated the most. Iwan Rheon is so good at the role I almost like him! Which shouldn't really work!

Mr.Prodston · 10-06-2013 11:13PM

Just watched it on the telly box again.

It's just plain wrong at how much I laughed when Walder Frey mimicked a wolf "Awwwoooooooooo" :pac:

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Season 3; Episode 10: HAVE read the books/Beware of SPOILERS