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Burgo · 08-06-2013 04:09PM

Serephucus saw this and thought of you :P

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1039946804&postcount=697

Serephucus · 08-06-2013 04:12PM

Burgo wrote: »

Serephucus saw this and thought of you :P

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1039946804&postcount=697

Where do you think I got the idea?! :P

If you have a look in the main SFF forum, there's an FT03 Mini thread. I first saw the rig in there, where-upon I promptly bombarded your man with questions. I'm Daedalus there.

Burgo · 08-06-2013 04:34PM

ha, well i tried!

Yeah there and on overclock.net have some pretty good ft03/mini rigs.

Serephucus · 08-06-2013 04:37PM

I haven't looked too much on OCN. From what I saw most of the guys there aren't using the Mini, but I'll give it a thorough look through at some stage.

cherryghost · 09-06-2013 12:03PM

Intel 4600 is surprisingly good! Been playing most games at medium settings on max resolution (900p here)

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 09-06-2013 12:55PM

Ordered new case,motherboard and CPU cooler from hardwarerivesend (or however it's spelled) first time ordering off them.

So 2x780's or one new 680 for tri sli?

DjembaDjemba · 09-06-2013 01:06PM

Hey guys, quick question here. I have an MSI motherboard for a few months now, and never tried to the core unlocker tool that comes with the driver CD, so I (possibly foolishly) tried it to see if I would get a better performance, and it needed to restart to work it said. It restarted, and now its on a permanent black screen, with no bios/splash screen. It starts up like normal, fans going, but no beep off the speaker on the mobo! I can't get into safe mode to reset it or anything

My CPU is an AMD 6 core. Any ideas what to do to get it back to normal?

Digitalism · 09-06-2013 01:09PM

I think removing the CMOS battery for a few minutes resets the BIOS, but maybe the more experienced guys know a better way.

tuxy · 09-06-2013 01:12PM

DjembaDjemba wrote: »

Hey guys, quick question here. I have an MSI motherboard for a few months now, and never tried to the core unlocker tool that comes with the driver CD, so I (possibly foolishly) tried it to see if I would get a better performance, and it needed to restart to work it said. It restarted, and now its on a permanent black screen, with no bios/splash screen. It starts up like normal, fans going, but no beep off the speaker on the mobo! I can't get into safe mode to reset it or anything

My CPU is an AMD 6 core. Any ideas what to do to get it back to normal?

It sounds like it changed some bios setting and it's too unstable to boot. Look ok the motherboard manual to find out how to reset the bios on your board. If you cant figure it out just take the round battery out of the motherboard for a few mins then put it back in and start up the system.

Don't be afraid to try overclocking again, it's actually normal for it to take a few goes to get it right. You can get reset the bios until you get it right

DjembaDjemba · 09-06-2013 01:15PM

tuxy wrote: »

It sounds like it changed some bios setting and it's too unstable to boot. Look ok the motherboard manual to find out how to reset the bios on your board. If you cant figure it out just take the round battery out of the motherboard for a few mins then put it back in and start up the system.

Don't be afraid to try overclocking again, it's actually normal for it to take a few goes to get it right. You can get reset the bios until you get it right

phew thats good to hear thats it not a major problem. I thought I may have fecked up something badly. I'll reply back if I cant get it back to normal. Looks like ill have to take out the battery, as the only thing in the manual for resetting the bios, tells you to do it in the bios menu, which isnt coming up for me.

tuxy · 09-06-2013 01:22PM

There's normally a jumper with 3 pins, standard setting is for it to be on pins 1 and 2, if you move it to pins 2 and 3 and leave it for a minute the bios will reset. The you move it back to pins 1 and 2 .
On more expensive motherboard there's just a button to press to reset the bios.

http://www.computer-hardware-explained.com/reset-bios-password.html

BloodBath · 09-06-2013 02:00PM

So 2x780's or one new 680 for tri sli?

You have dual 680's already? Why are you even considering a graphics update? I hope you are at 1440p already.

Gumbi · 09-06-2013 02:13PM

BloodBath wrote: »

You have dual 680's already? Why are you even considering a graphics update? I hope you are at 1440p already.

Lol.

Gbear · 09-06-2013 02:21PM

BloodBath wrote: »

You have dual 680's already? Why are you even considering a graphics update? I hope you are at 1440p already.

He's only allowed to get 2x780's when he gets a 4k tv.:pac:

Monotype · 09-06-2013 02:26PM

DjembaDjemba wrote: »

My CPU is an AMD 6 core. Any ideas what to do to get it back to normal?

If you've got six cores, then there's there's probably nothing unlockable. The Phenoms only have six cores in them and as far as I am aware, the FX hexacores don't unlock.

Should be fine after CMOS reset, and you can still overclock to push it further.

DjembaDjemba · 09-06-2013 03:53PM

Monotype wrote: »

If you've got six cores, then there's there's probably nothing unlockable. The Phenoms only have six cores in them and as far as I am aware, the FX hexacores don't unlock.

Should be fine after CMOS reset, and you can still overclock to push it further.

Yep removing the battery worked fine, so I have been looking to overclock it using the AMD Engine CC. It got it up to 4.70 ghz max, but odd thing is, when I overclock the CPU, the windows aero and peek effects get disabled, and ive troubleshooted it down to being when I overclock, as when I disabled the overclocking, the aero and peek comes back fine.

Any ideas whats the problem? I have tried troubleshooting using windows tool, and it says to enable desktop window manager is disabled, but when I try to enable it, the aero effect comes back for a second, then goes again. Its all very odd tbh, didnt think they both could be related.

Monotype · 09-06-2013 04:00PM

Er... maybe you need to re-run the windows experience index.

Make sure that your RAM isn't overclocked too far when overclocking AMD CPUs.

DjembaDjemba · 09-06-2013 04:24PM

Monotype wrote: »

Er... maybe you need to re-run the windows experience index.

Make sure that your RAM isn't overclocked too far when overclocking AMD CPUs.

Re running windows experience doesnt seem to do anything.

I didnt think I was even overclocking ram, thought it was just the CPU?

Monotype · 09-06-2013 05:39PM

If you're increasing the HTT or whatever it's called on your system, your RAM will get overclocked too, unless you set it to a lower frequency (or change divider/multiplier, depending on the layout of the BIOS menu).
Well, that is unless you have your RAM speed set to auto, in which case it probably sets at a lower speed to compensate.

Not really sure that it explains aero not showing up, but your system could be unstable. Make sure that you run a stability test like prime95 to check that it's stable.

Brian · 09-06-2013 06:41PM

Turns out my 870A-USB3 mobo doesn't support AM3+ CPUs properly

I was looking at upgrading my x4 955 to the FX 8320, but it seems to be a risky move.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1321363/official-vishera-support-list

GIGABYTE locks you out of 125W TDP 8-core processors on this board as their validation process did not pass these 8-core processors for safe use on unheatsinked 4+1 phase VRMs across their lineup (including this board). A new board is needed for an 8320 because the VRM setup may not be able to handle one reliably and safely.

Monotype · 09-06-2013 07:14PM

Yeah, a lot of boards manufacturers were promising upgrades to AM3+ at the time, but in the end, only a few followed through. I found it pretty annoying as boards above and below one that I had were granted BIOS updates but they left out my particular model.
Some of the boards are cheap though, for decent features - relative to Intel.

marco_polo · 09-06-2013 07:17PM

Brian wrote: »

Turns out my 870A-USB3 mobo doesn't support AM3+ CPUs properly I was looking at upgrading my x4 955 to the FX 8320, but it seems to be a risky move.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1321363/official-vishera-support-list

Its not an absolutely massive upgrade anyway TBH, and if you need to upgrade both board and CPU you might be as well off waiting for steamroller as AMD will almost certainly release new chipsets, and I would expect CPU performance to improve substantially as they continue to identify and fix the performance bottleneck in the architecture.

If you need to upgrade now and are getting a new board, it now might be worth looking at Intel, although a 8320 of course remains a good budget friendly alternative as well.

Not sure if yours is a black edition or not which makes it easier, but if you could overclock the 955 to even the level of the 980BE (3.7 GHz), it offers very similar single threaded performance to the FX8320 (a little bit better even), and it is only in the most demanding of multithreaded benchmarks does it fall well behind.

It should be achievable as my 965BE can get to 3.7 no problem on there on it stock voltages, and most other 955/965 can as well.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/362?vs=698

I don't know what you mostly use the PC for, so perhaps the FX might be of use to you but, but its primarily for gaming, the 980BE (or 955 at those clock levels) holds up quite well against stock 8320/8350s.

http://www.techspot.com/review/608-hitman-absolution-performance-benchmarks/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/670-metro-last-light-performance/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/642-crysis-3-performance/page6.html

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 09-06-2013 07:26PM

Gbear wrote: »

He's only allowed to get 2x780's when he gets a 4k tv.:pac:

1600p and some games have framerate issues already, but mostly I am a benchmark whore.......

Gumbi · 09-06-2013 07:31PM

Esme Immense Dachshund wrote: »

1600p and some games have framerate issues already, but mostly I am a benchmark whore.......

Maybe Crysis 3. But do you really need 4xMSAA at such high res? In any case, whatever makes you happy :P

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 09-06-2013 07:55PM

Gumbi wrote: »

Maybe Crysis 3. But do you really need 4xMSAA at such high res? In any case, whatever makes you happy :P

No your wright, there is nothing out there at the moment that offers a useful upgrade. Have an itch so I got a Corsair H110, a corsair obsidian 800d and a Asus ROG Rampage Formula 2011 motherboard. Should make of a neater build and allow me more overclocking headroom. Going for a red and black theme, so trying to figure out how to get the green Nvidia "GEFORCE GTX" logos on the side of the cards to go red.

Brian · 09-06-2013 08:13PM

marco_polo wrote: »

Its not an absolutely massive upgrade anyway TBH, and if you need to upgrade both board and CPU you might be as well off waiting for steamroller as AMD will almost certainly release new chipsets, and I would expect CPU performance to improve substantially as they continue to identify and fix the performance bottleneck in the architecture.

If you need to upgrade now and are getting a new board, it now might be worth looking at Intel, although a 8320 of course remains a good budget friendly alternative as well.

Not sure if yours is a black edition or not which makes it easier, but if you could overclock the 955 to even the level of the 980BE (3.7 GHz), it offers very similar single threaded performance to the FX8320 (a little bit better even), and it is only in the most demanding of multithreaded benchmarks does it fall well behind.

It should be achievable as my 965BE can get to 3.7 no problem on there on it stock voltages, and most other 955/965 can as well.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/362?vs=698

I don't know what you mostly use the PC for, so perhaps the FX might be of use to you but, but its primarily for gaming, the 980BE (or 955 at those clock levels) holds up quite well against stock 8320/8350s.

http://www.techspot.com/review/608-hitman-absolution-performance-benchmarks/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/670-metro-last-light-performance/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/642-crysis-3-performance/page6.html

Thanks for the reply. I have my X4 955 at 3.8 already using a Scythe Mugen. I know that the single-threaded performance of the FX CPUs isn't the greatest, but I do quite a lot of streaming which I think would benefit from additional cores.

Tea_Bag · 09-06-2013 10:45PM

in case im not the only one who missed it, yummy new Enermax 650W platinum fanless PSU.

ShadowHearth · 10-06-2013 07:54AM

Tea_Bag wrote: »

in case im not the only one who missed it, yummy new Enermax 650W platinum fanless PSU.

That's is Damn cool indeed! Great spec and silent. I usually upgrade only when I need, but if the price is right, I might take this. 680 is still stupidly expensive for what it is now, so I doubt I will ever need 750w corsair that I have at the moment. 650w should be a golden spot for single GPU setup.

Serephucus · 10-06-2013 09:56AM

650W would pretty much be the sweet spot for most SLI setups, assuming you're not OCing too much.

Burgo · 10-06-2013 10:34AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13mcm0CsGmg

check out the start of the vid, liking the look of the new cm elite 130. The mesh front looks a lot better than the aluminium.

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