Heterosexual Pride Day

Norfolk Enchants · 06-06-2013 02:52AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Wellllll it isn't. So that ends that.

I'm only explaining to the dribblers (not that they'll listen :pac:) what the reason for gay pride is, and why a straight pride event would not be coming from the same logic. Whatsoever.

Doesn't mean I apply that to other pride events.

I thinkk you are both right and wrong in your assessment. Most people dont give a fiddlers about gay marriage, heterosexual pride marriages or even gay adoption.

I know a lot of gay couples, mostly due to work and acquaintances, il admit. But then we heterosexuals view gay pride marches and it turns us a wee bit off. Lads half naked, drug and alcohol abuse and later on nothing but debauchery.

When people think of gays, they think of those on the march for gay rights. Not those that they are workmates with. Not the gay couples they interact with and that they are friends with next door.

Im to the right of the political spectrum, but gay people need to tone it down. I support most of their aims. Gay and proud and say it loud - absolutely. But during these pride marches you show us the worst of the community.

Imho.

Dimithy · 06-06-2013 04:11AM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

But then we heterosexuals view gay pride marches and it turns us a wee bit off.

I dont remember giving you permission to speak on my behalf.

Nodin · 06-06-2013 04:39AM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

I thinkk you are both right and wrong in your assessment. Most people dont give a fiddlers about gay marriage, heterosexual pride marriages or even gay adoption.

I know a lot of gay couples, mostly due to work and acquaintances, il admit. But then we heterosexuals view gay pride marches and it turns us a wee bit off. Lads half naked, drug and alcohol abuse and later on nothing but debauchery. .......

Jaysus...thats so outside my hetero norms....

Annasopra · 06-06-2013 07:54AM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

straight people need to tone it down.

Ah its not really that bad. I mean I know that Heterosexuality is constantly shoved in our faces, on constant display all the time - PDAs on the streets, drunken antics, having sex on the DART etc etc and I know that there are lots of really bad straight role models on the likes of Tallafornia but I wouldn't be so silly to generalise or stereotype based on the ridiculous antics of some straight people.

Gummy Panda · 06-06-2013 08:23AM

I saw two gay teenage lads holding hands walking down Grafton st the other day. No one batted an eye lid at them. Maybe things are getting better and more accepted generation by generation?

kiffer · 06-06-2013 08:33AM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I saw two gay teenage lads holding hands walking down Grafton st the other day. No one batted an eye lid at them. Maybe things are getting better and more accepted generation by generation?

I've no doubt that things are getting better... but you only saw the couple at one point on their journey through the city... unless you were following them you don't know what happened later on...

wonderfullife · 06-06-2013 08:34AM

kiffer wrote: »

I've no doubt that things are getting better... but you only saw the couple at one point on their journey through the city... unless you were following them you don't know what happened later on...

Code for "i'd like to see them try it on Henry street"

keeponhurling · 06-06-2013 08:53AM

I saw a guy and a girl holding hands walking down one of the main streets in Limerick, and while admittedly it wasn't a busy day, they didn't get any hassle at all.

Seems the hetro pride message is starting to get through, and has increased awareness that it's no longer OK to abuse hetrosexuals just for the way they are.

kiffer · 06-06-2013 08:57AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Code for "i'd like to see them try it on Henry street"

Yes and no...
They could have been on the receiving end of verbal abuse in Stephen's Green, walked down Grafton St. unmolested, encountered Gummi Panda, walked on and had some witty cheeky chappy shout abuse at them at Molly...
It's great that they felt safe enough to hold hands in the street but reporting that you saw someone not getting abuse doesn't mean that we as a culture are out of the woods... but it's a good start.

old hippy · 06-06-2013 12:31PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

I thinkk you are both right and wrong in your assessment. Most people dont give a fiddlers about gay marriage, heterosexual pride marriages or even gay adoption.

I know a lot of gay couples, mostly due to work and acquaintances, il admit. But then we heterosexuals view gay pride marches and it turns us a wee bit off. Lads half naked, drug and alcohol abuse and later on nothing but debauchery.

When people think of gays, they think of those on the march for gay rights. Not those that they are workmates with. Not the gay couples they interact with and that they are friends with next door.

Im to the right of the political spectrum, but gay people need to tone it down. I support most of their aims. Gay and proud and say it loud - absolutely. But during these pride marches you show us the worst of the community.

Imho.

I think you rather need to tone it down, if you know what I mean.

aloyisious · 06-06-2013 01:24PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

I thinkk you are both right and wrong in your assessment. Most people dont give a fiddlers about gay marriage, heterosexual pride marriages or even gay adoption.

I know a lot of gay couples, mostly due to work and acquaintances, il admit. But then we heterosexuals view gay pride marches and it turns us a wee bit off. Lads half naked, drug and alcohol abuse and later on nothing but debauchery.

When people think of gays, they think of those on the march for gay rights. Not those that they are workmates with. Not the gay couples they interact with and that they are friends with next door.

Im to the right of the political spectrum, but gay people need to tone it down. I support most of their aims. Gay and proud and say it loud - absolutely. But during these pride marches you show us the worst of the community.

Imho.

Most of the Gay Pride parades were born of an era where the gay person had his/her head firmly held down to the ground by the orthodoxy of public opinion - lead by the "wise". It took killings of gays here in Ireland, and pronouncements from the "bench", to cause people to sit up and take notice of the facts of life doled out daily to gay-folk here.

Without the higher profile taken by the original Pride-ers anti the acceptance of violence from the Establishment, the Police and the public, there would have been no acceptance by those from the straight side of life of the stories being told by the Gays. There would have been no high profile lawyers taking action against anti-gay discrimination. For gay-folk here, things would be stuck in a time-warp.

As it is, there is still discrimination suffered daily by LGBT teens and adults here. Don't think that it has all gone away, it ain't. Think of the teachers and the "laws" they have to work under. Think of the gay adults and teens living in the various ethnic communities here in Ireland who have to live within the "rules" accepted as the norm there-in.

The time for parades will be gone when the majority of people here; adults and teens, (up to and over 96%) come to live in acceptance of, and walking forward with, their LGBT fellow citizens.

floggg · 06-06-2013 01:25PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

I thinkk you are both right and wrong in your assessment. Most people dont give a fiddlers about gay marriage, heterosexual pride marriages or even gay adoption.

I know a lot of gay couples, mostly due to work and acquaintances, il admit. But then we heterosexuals view gay pride marches and it turns us a wee bit off. Lads half naked, drug and alcohol abuse and later on nothing but debauchery.

When people think of gays, they think of those on the march for gay rights. Not those that they are workmates with. Not the gay couples they interact with and that they are friends with next door.

Im to the right of the political spectrum, but gay people need to tone it down. I support most of their aims. Gay and proud and say it loud - absolutely. But during these pride marches you show us the worst of the community.

Imho.

Why is it "the gays" fault that you reduce the sum of their being to certain people on a certain day of the year?

If you can't see your gay co-workers or acquaintances for who they are and as individuals, then it sounds like you're letting your prejudices or pre-occupations cloud your view a bit too much.

If we only get freedom, equality or respect as long as we avoid offending the majority, then we never really have it.

And it's not like anybody ever has to see Pride if they don't want to. I have lived in Dublin 11 years - I've only encountered the pride parade once, when I chose to attend.

floggg · 06-06-2013 01:29PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

But then we heterosexuals view gay pride marches and it turns us a wee bit off. Lads half naked, drug and alcohol abuse and later on nothing but debauchery.

I look forward to reading in the press about your passionate objections to Coppers next licence renewal.

Norfolk Enchants · 06-06-2013 03:39PM

floggg wrote: »

I look forward to reading in the press about your passionate objections to Coppers next licence renewal.

People dont attend coppers under the banner of straight pride. People in the anglosphere, rightly or wrongly, associate Ireland with binge drinking. Why? Saint Patricks Day and the madness that occurs on the day.

If you stereotype yourself, so shall others.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-06-2013 03:42PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

People dont attend coppers under the banner of straight pride. People in the anglosphere, rightly or wrongly, associate Ireland with binge drinking. Why? Saint Patricks Day and the madness that occurs on the day.

If you stereotype yourself, so shall others.

So... what's this got to do with your stance on gay men being getting half naked and drunk on the way to a spot of debacuhery?

Norfolk Enchants · 06-06-2013 03:47PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So... what's this got to do with your stance on gay men being getting half naked and drunk on the way to a spot of debacuhery?

If I was a member of a community, that was going to need the majority of the public to vote yes for me to be allowed adopt and get married - when marching under the banner of 'insert community here' pride, id be encouraging my people to be showing off the best of our community. Not the worst.

06-06-2013 04:02PM

Yesterday during lunch there were 2 girls kissing on the quays in Dublin waiting for the bus. Somebody passing by shouted "good on ya!!"

Corkfeen · 06-06-2013 04:05PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

If I was a member of a community, that was going to need the majority of the public to vote yes for me to be allowed adopt and get married - when marching under the banner of 'insert community here' pride, id be encouraging my people to be showing off the best of our community. Not the worst.

Have you ever actually seen a pride march or are you just basing your opinion on some selectively chosen image search results? There's tonnes of half dressed people in paddy's day parades btw.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-06-2013 04:05PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

If I was a member of a community, that was going to need the majority of the public to vote yes for me to be allowed adopt and get married - when marching under the banner of 'insert community here' pride, id be encouraging my people to be showing off the best of our community. Not the worst.

I'd be wanting them to portray themsleves as they really are, not putting on a mask of some sort. Not much point in paradeing a part of your identity and hiding it at the same time.

wonderfulname · 06-06-2013 04:07PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

If I was a member of a community, that was going to need the majority of the public to vote yes for me to be allowed adopt and get married - when marching under the banner of 'insert community here' pride, id be encouraging my people to be showing off the best of our community. Not the worst.

Who are they hurting? If you have a problem with a bit of in your face flamboyancy down the streets of Dublin you should probably take a look at why that's the case, instead of turning your nose up at something for no better reason than it's a bit different. I'm not one for the scene or a lot of pride related antics but I know when it's accepted as nothing more than a harmless quirky facet of the human experience this will be a better country to live in for everyone, not just those marching.

Norfolk Enchants · 06-06-2013 04:24PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Have you ever actually seen a pride march or are you just basing your opinion on some selectively chosen image search results? There's tonnes of half dressed people in paddy's day parades btw.

I have, yes. In a few different countries.

As I already said about paddies day - we are stereotyped as binge drinking party animals largely due to Saint Patricks Day parades.

Norfolk Enchants · 06-06-2013 04:27PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Who are they hurting? If you have a problem with a bit of in your face flamboyancy down the streets of Dublin you should probably take a look at why that's the case, instead of turning your nose up at something for no better reason than it's a bit different. I'm not one for the scene or a lot of pride related antics but I know when it's accepted as nothing more than a harmless quirky facet of the human experience this will be a better country to live in for everyone, not just those marching.

If you hold an event or parade that showcases your community - why showcase the worst elements of it? Especially when you will need the wider communities vote to win your aims.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-06-2013 04:27PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

I have, yes. In a few different countries.

As I already said about paddies day - we are stereotyped as binge drinking party animals largely due to Saint Patricks Day parades.

Not really, no. It's mainly Americans who have that opinion and it's based on a aide variety of reasons, very few have anything to do with Paddy's day.

Norfolk Enchants · 06-06-2013 04:29PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not really, no. It's mainly Americans who have that opinion and it's based on a aide variety of reasons, very few have anything to do with Paddy's day.

It helps inflame the stereotype and keep it alive.

floggg · 06-06-2013 04:30PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

I have, yes. In a few different countries.

As I already said about paddies day - we are stereotyped as binge drinking party animals largely due to Saint Patricks Day parades.

No, it's because we binge drink all year round.*

*I know not everybody does, but when I say "we" I mean a sizeable proportion.

Norfolk Enchants · 06-06-2013 04:33PM

floggg wrote: »

No, it's because we binge drink all year round.*

*I know not everybody does, but when I say "we" I mean a sizeable proportion.

Europeans and Americans (especially up north) drink just as much as us. We are in the 20s in the global consumption of alcohol league. Alcohol consumption in Ireland is on the decline.

floggg · 06-06-2013 04:44PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

If you hold an event or parade that showcases your community - why showcase the worst elements of it? Especially when you will need the wider communities vote to win your aims.

Doesn't make sense to me.

If I was holding an event or parade to showcase my community I'd showcase the community. All of it, not just the ones I think are the most palatable to others.

It's called PRIDE. They'd have to change the name to Shame if everybody masked themselves and pretended to be somebody they weren't.

As I said, if your only interested in equality as long as the minority conforms to your expectations, then you aren't interested in equality.

There's no point dressing it up as a critique of PR tactics.

wonderfulname · 06-06-2013 04:45PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

If you hold an event or parade that showcases your community - why showcase the worst elements of it? Especially when you will need the wider communities vote to win your aims.

Doesn't make sense to me.

What's bad about it? What's wrong with people having fun? Screwing with gender norms? Having sex? Being themselves when they're hurting nobody? What people forget is that the pride prades of today are not just the modern incarnation of civil rights movements it's what's left of an entire sexual revolution, if you're affronted, it's still needed, and it shouldn't be hidden in the background for the benefit of one legal shift, it should be in everyones faces until it, and every element it represents, is accepted.

twinQuins · 06-06-2013 04:49PM

Norfolk Enchants wrote: »

If you hold an event or parade that showcases your community - why showcase the worst elements of it? Especially when you will need the wider communities vote to win your aims.

Doesn't make sense to me.

"We" are not a monolithic bloc who all share the same opinions on everything and all answer to one central 'Gay Authority' who decides how gay people are seen by the small minded.

Norfolk Enchants · 06-06-2013 04:51PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

What's bad about it? What's wrong with people having fun? Screwing with gender norms? Having sex? Being themselves when they're hurting nobody? What people forget is that the pride prades of today are not just the modern incarnation of civil rights movements it's what's left of an entire sexual revolution, if you're affronted, it's still needed, and it shouldn't be hidden in the background for the benefit of one legal shift, it should be in everyones faces until it, and every element it represents, is accepted.

You are showcasing your community by getting naked in public, getting drunk, getting down and dirty, men dressing up and showing off parts of their anatomy others dont want to see.....

In public. Then the next day calling for gay men to be allowed adopt.

Can you not see how this negatively affects you from achieving your goals?

Also, loads of laws are broken during gay pride marches. Drinking in public, indecent exposure, public disorder etc. but the coppers never step in. Compare that with other public events in the city centre.

Heterosexual Pride Day

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