junkies in nursing homes

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 09:34PM

what capitalist thought the rat race was a good idea?

The King of Moo · 01-06-2013 09:36PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

what capitalist thought the rat race was a good idea?

Seriously, what are you talking about??

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 09:40PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Seriously, what are you talking about??

the reason kids are in creches
and old people are in nursing homes

The King of Moo · 01-06-2013 09:41PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

the reason kids are in creches
and old people are in nursing homes

And the junkies too.

Don't forget about the junkies.

hfallada · 01-06-2013 09:42PM

I think this is questionable the most WTF thread on boards

gctest50 · 01-06-2013 09:48PM

hfallada wrote: »

I think this is questionable the most WTF thread on boards

sooon

The King of Moo wrote: »

Lions in playgrounds would be an absolutely terrible idea. .......!

True, cheetahs are much better at that sort of thing

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 09:48PM

and so it goes on...

MurdyWurdy · 01-06-2013 09:52PM

My granny's nursing home had a recovering alcoholic living in it - he was an older guy (maybe early 60s) but that was about 20 years younger than the other residents. I think he was put there by his family for his own safety/to be looked after. He was a lovely man, he used to do loads for the other residents (getting library books, going to the shops for them etc). He was very good to my granny.

She died about 15 years ago and I do think about him sometimes, wondering if he stayed there. It was strange to see an active, alert man living with a lot of very elderly people but he seemed happy enough.

However, this wasn't in Ireland and wasn't recently.

Odysseus · 01-06-2013 09:54PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

back it up?
what do u want photos?

all im saying is old people in nursing homes shouldnt have to deal with it.

a seperate building attached could be a plan.

more than a few people here are surprised to hear of the facts i state here.
they are true
im not saying all nursing homes.obviously there are good ones too
where the owners dont just look at maximising the profits.

this is a recent development in this place
and i can tell u none of the staff think its a good idea.

but hands off management are in a world of their own...
like in so many aspects of life in ireland.

which is why we are where we are today.

Exactly what are they having to deal with that is the question?

So far we seeem to established that it is not that unusal for younger people to be treated in nursing homes if their medical condition requires it.

Are you saying that just because they are addicted that this is grounds for refusing treatment?

I doubt you are say that, so why should these addicts not be treated their is it is deemed suitable by health care professionals?

Why should a se[erate building be needed, should they waer a specfic badge so that they can be identified?

It is hard to get clarity on exactly why you think these patients should not be treated there.

starling · 01-06-2013 09:57PM

I'm curious as to why you think drug addicts are not entitled to medical care just like everyone else OP

Medical personnel in accident and emergency departments know that the "he did this to himself / he doesn't deserve treatment" line of thinking is unethical and dangerous. You don't always know the full story and everyone has the right to medical help.

Even if we look at it from your point of view, if a drug addict seeks treatment and doesn't get it, the result is continuing addiction and often attendant crime like mugging or burglary, so treating drug addicts is good for society in general and not just for the addict himself.

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 10:10PM

i think it is unusual...
there was a cover story in a clare paper last week about
an ex ADDICT in his twenties who was now homeless after been thrown out of the nursing home
he set fire to,
he had lost both legs below the knees though his habit and was in a wheelchair.
poor lad,shure all he wanted was a place of his own..
so if he thinks he can live in a place of his own...
why did the healthcare professionals send him to a nursing home?

i dont have pity for him
but i do for the people in the nursing home who had him inflicted on them.

most people in nursing homes are elderly and like peace and quiet

that is not what addicts bring to nursing homes...
i think you will find the ones that can string sentences together will tell u that.
all they think or care about is themselves.

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 10:15PM

starling wrote: »

I'm curious as to why you think drug addicts are not entitled to medical care just like everyone else OP

Medical personnel in accident and emergency departments know that the "he did this to himself / he doesn't deserve treatment" line of thinking is unethical and dangerous. You don't always know the full story and everyone has the right to medical help.

Even if we look at it from your point of view, if a drug addict seeks treatment and doesn't get it, the result is continuing addiction and often attendant crime like mugging or burglary, so treating drug addicts is good for society in general and not just for the addict himself.

im not saying they are not entitled to med care...
but feeding their addiction doesnt do them or society any favors.

Odysseus · 01-06-2013 10:24PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

i think it is unusual...
there was a cover story in a clare paper last week about
an ex ADDICT in his twenties who was now homeless after been thrown out of the nursing home
he set fire to,
he had lost both legs below the knees though his habit and was in a wheelchair.
poor lad,shure all he wanted was a place of his own..
so if he thinks he can live in a place of his own...
why did the healthcare professionals send him to a nursing home?

i dont have pity for him
but i do for the people in the nursing home who had him inflicted on them.

most people in nursing homes are elderly and like peace and quiet

that is not what addicts bring to nursing homes...
i think you will find the ones that can string sentences together will tell u that.
all they think or care about is themselves.

It this you picture of addicts? I suppose all of them are the same then yet.

I could not comment on why that guy placed there and neither can you unless you have access to his medical file.

However, you say this guy was an ex-addict what is that?

Are you saying he was drug free? In recovery? On a MMT programme?

What caused the fire? Did he set fire to it on purpose? If so has he any other condition like pathological fire-setting? Any other mental health issues?

If he is an ex-addict can we assume drug use had no role to play in the fire?

Or is it a case that his addiction is just responsible for everything?

returnNull · 01-06-2013 10:27PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea?
apart from the owners of nursing homes who make money[prob extra]out of it.

i think its a disgrace that that old people who often pay their own way in these places should feel threatened or have to put with their behaviour is a total disgrace and on par with the abuse that goes on in creches.

not too mention the under staffing that goes on.
or the tip offs they get when hicwa are about to visit
for a far too irregular inspection.

this is going on in naas and im sure plenty of other places.

cool story bro

starling · 01-06-2013 10:30PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

im not saying they are not entitled to med care...
but feeding their addiction doesnt do them or society any favors.

Medical treatment =/= feeding addiction

Odysseus · 01-06-2013 10:35PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

im not saying they are not entitled to med care...
but feeding their addiction doesnt do them or society any favors.

It seems you have a very poor understanding of both addiction and its treatment.

I think you should leave those type of decisions to the professions.

Smidge · 01-06-2013 10:41PM

I had a grandparent who was in a nursing home(albeit 10 years now since they died there).

I have to say, despite a lot of the silliness that has started in this thread, this is news to me :eek:

I really don't care what the guidelines/recommendations etc are for nursing homes. There should be NO-ONE in a nursing home that has elderly people in residence who is not an elderly person.

Simple as, end of.

Regardless of them being a young person with a head injury or an addict.

A lot of elderly people who as they age even further become fearful of the younger generation, that's just part of the ageing process in my in my experience.
And to have younger people, regardless of their DX, whether it is head injury or addiction or whatever it may be who are disruptive to the point of wrecking rooms and setting fires, housed with old people is disgusting and borders on abuse of the elderly residents imo.

starling · 01-06-2013 11:05PM

Smidge wrote: »

I had a grandparent who was in a nursing home(albeit 10 years now since they died there).

I have to say, despite a lot of the silliness that has started in this thread, this is news to me :eek:

And to have younger people, regardless of their DX, whether it is head injury or addiction or whatever it may be who are disruptive to the point of wrecking rooms and setting fires, housed with old people is disgusting and borders on abuse of the elderly residents imo.

Put the pitchfork down. It's all coming from one poster who, to be fair, doesn't know what he's talking about.

It's not like a drug addict can just rock up to a residential home, check in like it's the Westbury and get heroin from room service.

Smidge · 01-06-2013 11:11PM

starling wrote: »

Put the pitchfork down. It's all coming from one poster who, to be fair, doesn't know what he's talking about.

It's not like a drug addict can just rock up to a residential home, check in like it's the Westbury and get heroin from room service.

With all due respect starling my pitchfork is in having repairs atm

I never said the could just "rock up" and check in, I think you are being a bit flippant there, not to mention a wee bit condescending.

I had no idea this was going on and as I said in my post, I couldn't care less whether they were an addict or whatever. If they are causing that level of disruption and destruction where elderly people live and will most likely die having made it their home, they should NEVER be in the same home.
EVER

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 11:15PM

Smidge wrote: »

I had a grandparent who was in a nursing home(albeit 10 years now since they died there).

I have to say, despite a lot of the silliness that has started in this thread, this is news to me :eek:

I really don't care what the guidelines/recommendations etc are for nursing homes. There should be NO-ONE in a nursing home that has elderly people in residence who is not an elderly person.

Simple as, end of.

Regardless of them being a young person with a head injury or an addict(find this shocking).

A lot of elderly people who as they age even further become fearful of the younger generation, that's just part of the ageing process in my in my experience.
And to have younger people, regardless of their DX, whether it is head injury or addiction or whatever it may be who are disruptive to the point of wrecking rooms and setting fires, housed with old people is disgusting and borders on abuse of the elderly residents imo.

thats what im saying
i dont care what all this guidline non sense says
elderly people shouldnt have to deal with it.
just because someone who sits in an office somewhere and doesnt deal with any consequences dreams up these stupid ideas doesnt mean it worth trying.
if this makes 1 or more people take a better look around a nursing home they
maybe thinking of sending a relative...then im happy and its been worth it.

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 11:21PM

starling wrote: »

Put the pitchfork down. It's all coming from one poster who, to be fair, doesn't know what he's talking about.

It's not like a drug addict can just rock up to a residential home, check in like it's the Westbury and get heroin from room service.

i do know exactly what im talking about.
i doubt they checked themselves in...do u?
thats where the state steps in.
i also doubt they get any heroin either.
but it doesnt stop them being disruptive and i do mean very!
to residents and staff alike.

to be fair.i dont think u know what fair means...

starling · 01-06-2013 11:27PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

i do know exactly what im talking about.
i doubt they checked themselves in...do u?
thats where the state steps in.
i also doubt they get any heroin either.
but it doesnt stop them being disruptive and i do mean very!
to residents and staff alike.

to be fair.i dont think u know what fair means...

Well, it's difficult to get a clear picture of the situation, cause you haven't answered anyone's questions. Is this a private nursing home or what? Are you actually saying there's a drug addict in the nursing home your gf works at? As in someone currently using heroin? Or is it someone in recovery from drug addiction who also happens to require an in-patient type facility rather than being treated on an out patient basis?
Your story is not very clear.

Odysseus · 01-06-2013 11:29PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

thats what im saying
i dont care what all this guidline non sense says
elderly people shouldnt have to deal with it.
just because someone who sits in an office somewhere and doesnt deal with any consequences dreams up these stupid ideas doesnt mean it worth trying.
if this makes 1 or more people take a better look around a nursing home they
maybe thinking of sending a relative...then im happy and its been worth it.[/QUOTE]

Do you really mean that? You could have gotton you GF into significant trouble in work.

I serious thought about looking to identify the home where your GF works and report this breach of confidentiality, as I really think it is unfair for someones personal details to be posted on the net like this.

I talk about my own work here often enough, however, I make damn sure I respect the guide lines that are part of my work.

I decided against it, as I thought it would be unfair on your GF as I'm sure she did not give you this mans personal info to post. If your GF posted the info you posted here I guess I would have reported it.

A quick question, have you showed this thread to your GF, if so what does she think of it?

I'm not trying to be a cnut here, just because I disagree with your opinions about addicts, but you cannot just post peoples personal info like that.

If I talked with my partner about a patient and she posted info from that conversation which could be used to identify the patient I would be livid.

emo72 · 01-06-2013 11:34PM

i dont know why most of you are dismissing what kombi noise is saying. its not the type of thing that gets made up for a laugh.

it wouldnt surprise me if addicts were getting sent to nursing homes. after last week, we all know that private enterprises are willing to do anything to get more money.

there is very little treatment for addicts in ireland. old people shouldnt have to endure it. if true.

starling · 01-06-2013 11:37PM

Smidge wrote: »

I never said the could just "rock up" and check in, I think you are being a bit flippant there, not to mention a wee bit condescending.

With all due respect Smidge, when you said

Smidge wrote: »

I have to say, despite a lot of the silliness that has started in this thread, this is news to me

that suggests that you're reacting simply to what OP is saying rather than an actual thing that happened. We can't get a straight story out of him so it's a bit soon to be reacting to it.

Smidge wrote: »

I had no idea this was going on

We still don't actually know what's going on.
We don't even know what kind of facility the OP is talking about. The HSE might be running it or it might be a private home. It's not automatically wrong to have different age groups in the same facility, it depends on their medical needs and what level of care is available at which facility.

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 11:42PM

why are u trying so hard to get a visual?
im sure its an ex addict[dont know what they suppressing him with now]
but they are hardly supplying heroin are they?
a nursing home should not be an in-patient type facility for someone recovering from heroin addiction,
end of...
u dont need to wait for them to rip flat screen tvs off walls and trash their rooms to find this out,
its should be enough that they go around the place shouting their heads off and walking into other peoples rooms
and harassing staff among other things,while people are trying to sleep,to know its not the right enviroment.
they are oblivious to other peoples needs or staff requests to maintain a system of work while being understaffed.
why is this so hard to understand...?

starling · 01-06-2013 11:43PM

emo72 wrote: »

i dont know why most of you are dismissing what kombi noise is saying. its not the type of thing that gets made up for a laugh.

it wouldnt surprise me if addicts were getting sent to nursing homes. after last week, we all know that private enterprises are willing to do anything to get more money.

there is very little treatment for addicts in ireland. old people shouldnt have to endure it. if true.

It's not that we're dismissing it, it's just that we are asking him to clarify what he's claiming and he doesn't seem to be willing to answer any questions.

Smidge · 01-06-2013 11:46PM

starling wrote: »

With all due respect Smidge, when you said

that suggests that you're reacting simply to what OP is saying rather than an actual thing that happened. We can't get a straight story out of him so it's a bit soon to be reacting to it.

We still don't actually know what's going on.
We don't even know what kind of facility the OP is talking about. The HSE might be running it or it might be a private home. It's not automatically wrong to have different age groups in the same facility, it depends on their medical needs and what level of care is available at which facility.

I'm taking the OP with a pinch of salt too but unless he is a troll(which doesn't seem to be the case)why would he go to the bother of making this up?
That doesn't mean I am taking it as "gospel" either.

What I am saying, is that there should be no-one living in what in essence the op has described(albeit in a roundabout way)as a nursing home for the elderly, who regardless of their dx, is causing that level of disruption for the elderly residents.

starling · 01-06-2013 11:47PM

kombi.noise wrote: »

why are u trying so hard to get a visual?
im sure its an ex addict[dont know what they suppressing him with now]
but they are hardly supplying heroin are they?
a nursing home should not be an in-patient type facility for someone recovering from heroin addiction,
end of...
u dont need to wait for them to rip flat screen tvs off walls and trash their rooms to find this out,
its should be enough that they go around the place shouting their heads off and walking into other peoples rooms
and harassing staff among other things,while people are trying to sleep,to know its not the right enviroment.
they are oblivious to other peoples needs or staff requests to maintain a system of work while being understaffed.
why is this so hard to understand...?

Because you're not making yourself clear, that's why people keep asking you WTF you're talking about.
So wait how do you know this is a drug addict? Since your previous answers would indicate that you can't tell the difference between someone who is in recovery from addiction and someone who has suffered a head injury.

kombi.noise · 01-06-2013 11:51PM

Odysseus wrote: »

kombi.noise wrote: »

thats what im saying
i dont care what all this guidline non sense says
elderly people shouldnt have to deal with it.
just because someone who sits in an office somewhere and doesnt deal with any consequences dreams up these stupid ideas doesnt mean it worth trying.
if this makes 1 or more people take a better look around a nursing home they
maybe thinking of sending a relative...then im happy and its been worth it.[/QUOTE]

Do you really mean that? You could have gotton you GF into significant trouble in work.

I serious thought about looking to identify the home where your GF works and report this breach of confidentiality, as I really think it is unfair for someones personal details to be posted on the net like this.

I talk about my own work here often enough, however, I make damn sure I respect the guide lines that are part of my work.

I decided against it, as I thought it would be unfair on your GF as I'm sure she did not give you this mans personal info to post. If your GF posted the info you posted here I guess I would have reported it.

A quick question, have you showed this thread to your GF, if so what does she think of it?

I'm not trying to be a cnut here, just because I disagree with your opinions about addicts, but you cannot just post peoples personal info like that.

If I talked with my partner about a patient and she posted info from that conversation which could be used to identify the patient I would be livid.

there is no personal details,
if u go to work in a nursing home u dont expect
to work with ex addicts and the hazards that come with them.
they have been recent additions in this place.
and its not taking long to see its not working.
it not hse run.
most people dont expect this kind of situation in a nursing home
thats obvious.

junkies in nursing homes

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