junkies in nursing homes

kombi.noise

is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea?
apart from the owners of nursing homes who make money[prob extra]out of it.

i think its a disgrace that that old people who often pay their own way in these places should feel threatened or have to put with their behaviour is a total disgrace and on par with the abuse that goes on in creches.

not too mention the under staffing that goes on.
or the tip offs they get when hicwa are about to visit
for a far too irregular inspection.

this is going on in naas and im sure plenty of other places.

MagicMarker

WTF are you talking about?

Chucken

MagicMarker wrote: »

WTF are you talking about?

Junkies in nursing homes!

Keep up will you?

Sunnyisland

I am a bit confused as is the op,s post...

Sunnyisland

Anyway according to boards all the em junkies are in Dublin...

nbar12

i have a radio in my car

L1011

I've only had the misfortune to be in about, oh, 90 different nursing homes due to work and I also haven't got a bloody clue what the OP is on about.

PinkLemonade

My granny worked in a nursing home, she has her name down on the waiting list for when she ll need to go to a nursing home. She obviously thought the level of care was good, it's an awful shame all nursing homes aren't up to scratch

MagicMarker

nbar12 wrote: »

i have a radio in my car

AM or FM?

kneemos

They don't put junkies in nursing homes op...unless they're old junkies and there's no such thing as an old junkie.

Ericaa

Since when are junkies kept in nursing homes...?

Sunnyisland

Pink Lemonade wrote: »

My granny worked in a nursing home, she has her name down on the waiting list for when she ll need to go to a nursing home. She obviously thought the level of care was good, it's an awful shame all nursing homes aren't up to scratch

True,


Can you get that new pulse radio station from RTE in the car ?

mattjack

kombi.noise wrote: »

is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea?
apart from the owners of nursing homes who make money[prob extra]out of it.

i think its a disgrace that that old people who often pay their own way in these places should feel threatened or have to put with their behaviour is a total disgrace and on par with the abuse that goes on in creches.

not too mention the under staffing that goes on.
or the tip offs they get when hicwa are about to visit
for a far too irregular inspection.

this is going on in naas and im sure plenty of other places.

Which Naas you talking about OP ?

Chucken

mattjack wrote: »

Which Naas you talking about OP ?

The one approx 37km from town

monflat

Not sure where you got your information from but SOME NURSING homes now are licensed to take in people from 18 upwards
This is because of alot of young people have had Road traffic accidents or any otger type of accident who cannot be cared for at home so they do have to go to a nursing home


Under that fair deal scheme I think ( I could be wrong ) it does not matter if you are fee paying or not there are a certain number of places allocated to people who would be recipients of social welfare and the government make up the remainder of the bill


Is this what you are asking about OP

Sunnyisland

mattjack wrote: »

Which Naas you talking about OP ?

You mean there is more than one :eek:

kombi.noise

well it must be the latest fad with the hse
there are 4 recent arrivals where my girlfriend works
one has been removed so far after trashing the room he was in.
and its seems like a 2nd wont be far behind.


when questioned about it...the owner[who runs 4 or 5 others around the country]
told staff it was basically none of their buisness and she decides who can be resident.

L1011

monflat wrote: »

Not sure where you got your information from but SOME NURSING homes now are licensed to take in people from 18 upwards
This is because of alot of young people have had Road traffic accidents or any otger type of accident who cannot be cared for at home so they do have to go to a nursing home

Emphasis on some definitely correct there - its extremely few. And I've never heard of one being used for "junkies", only people with extremely serious injuries but who do not need ongoing serious medical care, or severely mentally disabled adults.

We don't have enough nursing home places in the country for places to be accepting people they don't want to. There is also no logical reason that you'd place someone who doesn't need nursing care in somewhere extremely expensive designed to provide nursing care.

monflat

kombi.noise wrote: »

well it must be the latest fad with the hse
there are 4 recent arrivals where my girlfriend works
one has been removed so far after trashing the room he was in.
and its seems like a 2nd wont be far behind.


when questioned about it...the owner[who runs 4 or 5 others around the country]
told staff it was basically none of their buisness and she decides who can be resident.

Well if that junkie is impeding on the life of the other residents they all should be asked if they want to mske a complaint and follow the nursing homes complaints procedure

kombi.noise

monflat wrote: »

Not sure where you got your information from but SOME NURSING homes now are licensed to take in people from 18 upwards
This is because of alot of young people have had Road traffic accidents or any otger type of accident who cannot be cared for at home so they do have to go to a nursing home


Under that fair deal scheme I think ( I could be wrong ) it does not matter if you are fee paying or not there are a certain number of places allocated to people who would be recipients of social welfare and the government make up the remainder of the bill


Is this what you are asking about OP

i think they are nearer 40 years old
its no fair deal for an old person to be afraid to leave their room anymore
or for staff to listen to relentless incoherent ****e all night

mattjack

realies wrote: »

You mean there is more than one :eek:

Yup. There's a big one over yonder.

kombi.noise

monflat wrote: »

Well if that junkie is impeding on the life of the other residents they all should be asked if they want to mske a complaint and follow the nursing homes complaints procedure

how do u make a complaint if u have alziemers or dementia etc?

kneemos

kombi.noise wrote: »

well it must be the latest fad with the hse
there are 4 recent arrivals where my girlfriend works
one has been removed so far after trashing the room he was in.
and its seems like a 2nd wont be far behind.


when questioned about it...the owner[who runs 4 or 5 others around the country]
told staff it was basically none of their buisness and she decides who can be resident.

Old people and junkies even the HSE wouldn't come up with that one.

Karl Stein

Plastic eyeballs.

kombi.noise

MYOB wrote: »

Emphasis on some definitely correct there - its extremely few. And I've never heard of one being used for "junkies", only people with extremely serious injuries but who do not need ongoing serious medical care, or severely mentally disabled adults.

We don't have enough nursing home places in the country for places to be accepting people they don't want to. There is also no logical reason that you'd place someone who doesn't need nursing care in somewhere extremely expensive designed to provide nursing care.

there are alot of illogical things going on in this country...
havent you noticed?

kombi.noise

kneemos wrote: »

Old people and junkies even the HSE wouldn't come up with that one.

believe what u like

Chucken

kombi.noise wrote: »

well it must be the latest fad with the hse
there are 4 recent arrivals where my girlfriend works
one has been removed so far after trashing the room he was in.
and its seems like a 2nd wont be far behind.


when questioned about it...the owner[who runs 4 or 5 others around the country]
told staff it was basically none of their buisness and she decides who can be resident.

You know that people with head injuries can act out?
The nursing home I worked in had 1 resident who was 18, who had serious mental issues after a car crash. He regularly wrecked his room. He locked himself in 1 night and set fire to the room. It was pretty horrific tbh

EDIT: This happened after I had finished working there.

monflat

kombi.noise wrote: »

how do u make a complaint if u have alziemers or dementia etc?

The STAFF and families are meant to be advocates for these residents


If you worked in a nursing home and saw someth goin on that resemble inappropriate behaviour abuse excessive noise impeding on the life of the residents would you turn a blind eye and say ah feck it tis alright to that that person is verbally abusing etc they have dementia they dont matter they dont seem to take notice of the junkie

kombi.noise

theyve got head injuries for sure...
but not from any car crashes...

Chucken

kombi.noise wrote: »

theyve got head injuries for sure...
but not from any car crashes...

How do you know that?

kombi.noise

Chucken wrote: »

How do you know that?

because they are that far gone they couldnt drive...

Odysseus

kneemos wrote: »

They don't put junkies in nursing homes op...unless they're old junkies and there's no such thing as an old junkie.

Actually this is one of the benefits of substitutive programmes such as methadone. You never used to see older addicts, but I have worked with two guys who where claming pensions.

There are also a significant amount of those heading towards that age. Another few years and addicts on methadone programmes may indeed become an issue for nursing homes.

kombi.noise

monflat wrote: »

The STAFF and families are meant to be advocates for these residents


If you worked in a nursing home and saw someth goin on that resemble inappropriate behaviour abuse excessive noise impeding on the life of the residents would you turn a blind eye and say ah feck it tis alright to that that person is verbally abusing etc they have dementia they dont matter they dont seem to take notice of the junkie

no i wouldnt
but i believe there is a clause in their contract not allowing it.
all the above is goin on...
i suspect it is only a matter of time before enough residents visitors
realize what is goin on.and do something about it.
also some of the more coherent residents are going to complain...
i dont know to who,but the owner sounds like a nazi.

ive got no reason to fabricate this story

but as i thought its seems none of the general public know anything about it.

Chucken

kombi.noise wrote: »

because they are that far gone they couldnt drive...

Thats a really silly assumption. I presume you've never had to deal with a person with a head injury?

anncoates

kneemos wrote: »

They don't put junkies in nursing homes op...unless they're old junkies and there's no such thing as an old junkie.

Chronic addiction to Werthers Originals is no laughing matter.

Rasheed

Private nursing homes can admit pretty much who they like. The youngest I've ever seen in a nursing home was late thirties. He had destroyed his brain from 20 years of solid drinking.

kneemos

kombi.noise wrote: »

no i wouldnt
but i believe there is a clause in their contract not allowing it.
all the above is goin on...
i suspect it is only a matter of time before enough residents visitors
realize what is goin on.and do something about it.
also some of the more coherent residents are going to complain...
i dont know to who,but the owner sounds like a nazi.

ive got no reason to fabricate this story

but as i thought its seems none of the general public know anything about it.

Is it junkies or mentally inacapacitated people you're talking about?

kombi.noise

Chucken wrote: »

Thats a really silly assumption. I presume you've never had to deal with a person with a head injury?

i presume youve never had to deal with a self centred junkie
who thinks they are the only person in the world and who never
acknowledges that their predicament is completely self inflicted.

kombi.noise

kneemos wrote: »

Is it junkies or mentally inacapacitated people you're talking about?

one usually becomes the other. .

mikom

Junkies in nursing homes.
Reality TV, new to RTE this autumn.

mattjack

kombi.noise wrote: »

i presume youve never had to deal with a self centred junkie
who thinks they are the only person in the world and who never
acknowledges that their predicament is completely self inflicted.

have you ?

Chucken

kombi.noise wrote: »

i presume youve never had to deal with a self centred junkie
who thinks they are the only person in the world and who never
acknowledges that their predicament is completely self inflicted.

You'd be amazed with what Ive dealt with
What Im trying to get an answer to is, how do you know that these people are junkies? As opposed to someone with head injuries. They can both act in similar ways at times.

The King of Moo

Lions in playgrounds would be an absolutely terrible idea. How would you like your little ones, with their smiling little faces, having to deal with being constantly menaced by one of the deadliest predators of the savannah!? And it's our tax money that's paying for these playgrounds!!

Sure, like heroin addicts in nursing homes, this isn't an actual problem, but by God am I mad about it!!

kneemos

kombi.noise wrote: »

one usually becomes the other. .

So it's people with brain damage who can't look after themselves.

Odysseus

kombi.noise wrote: »

no i wouldnt
but i believe there is a clause in their contract not allowing it.
all the above is goin on...
i suspect it is only a matter of time before enough residents visitors
realize what is goin on.and do something about it.
also some of the more coherent residents are going to complain...
i dont know to who,but the owner sounds like a nazi.

ive got no reason to fabricate this story

but as i thought its seems none of the general public know anything about it.

OP you imply that you know a lot of this alleged addict, try that word see how it feels there is not need to use derogatory terms when there are other appropriate term.

You state stuff about his medical treatment and his injuries, is you GF giving you this info? Please think about this and don't just answer it. Why am I saying this?

Well if your GF works for the HSE you could be risking her job. Actually now that I think about it, you GF work directly for the home. However, I think what I am about to say will still stand.

Certain medical info is not just classified as confidential; it can be classed as restricted. Anything thing concerning a persons treatment with the addiction services is classed as restricted by the HSE, and your GF's boss may think the same.

Here she is giving you restricted information about a person’s medical treatment and you are posting it on a message board. I know this person is in a nursing home in Nass and he is approx 40 years of age, there is a chance I could identify him if I was so inclined.

It seems you don't like addicts, but they are entitled to the same level of protection in relation to their personal/medical details.

Can you see my point?

kombi.noise

Odysseus wrote: »

OP you imply that you know a lot of this alleged addict, try that word see how it feels there is not need to use derogatory terms when there are other appropriate term.

You state stuff about his medical treatment and his injuries, is you GF giving you this info? Please think about this and don't just answer it. Why am I saying this?

Well if your GF works for the HSE you could be risking her job. Actually now that I think about it, you GF work directly for the home. However, I think what I am about to say will still stand.

Certain medical info is not just classified as confidential; it can be classed as restricted. Anything thing concerning a persons treatment with the addiction services is classed as restricted by the HSE, and your GF's boss may think the same.





Here she is giving you restricted information about a person’s medical treatment and you are posting it on a message board. I know this person is in a nursing home in Nass and he is approx 40 years of age, there is a chance I could identify him if I was so inclined.

It seems you don't like addicts, but they are entitled to the same level of protection in relation to their personal/medical details.

Can you see my point?

yes i can see your point
my only point is that they shouldnt be in nursing homes

monflat

kombi.noise wrote: »

one usually becomes the other. .

Not necessarily

How many years of working with these groups have you spent ?

Odysseus

kombi.noise wrote: »

yes i can see your point
my only point is that they shouldnt be in nursing homes

Well if they require that level of care, maybe they do and their drug should have no impact on that decision.

kombi.noise

Chucken wrote: »

You'd be amazed with what Ive dealt with
What Im trying to get an answer to is, how do you know that these people are junkies? As opposed to someone with head injuries. They can both act in similar ways at times.

people with head injuries dont generally have wounds
from needles all over their legs that are bandaged up and need regular changing
does that answer your question

its people like you who cant see the woods for the trees...
that keeps this kind of situation going on far longer than it should.

that and contract clauses about patient details
that keeps issues like this brushed under the carpet
until the **** hits the fan.

The King of Moo

kombi.noise wrote: »

people with head injuries dont generally have wounds
from needles all over their legs that are bandaged up and need regular changing

Can't people have both head injuries and needle marks?
And why should the presence of the latter preclude treatment for the former?

kombi.noise

go back to moo land will you?